If I am not mistaken, the current coaching staff took over in June 2018 and results have not been up to scratch. Of course there are other factors but judging from execution in the games, sometimes it seems the team plays without a clear plan or approach. For example, as recent as yesterday, the bowlers just seemed to be throwing it and hoping for the best.
All three main coaches honestly were not great during their playing days and I do not think they are good enough in terms of strategy and game plan. At best they are just trainers to me were Stuey can just throw a 100 balls to batsmen in the nets, but when it comes to how they strategize on how to approach a game, a match situation I do not see this being translated onto the field of play and the same can be said about the bowling department.
Are there any standards to which they have to live up to as coaches and who do they report to? It always seems as though it is business as usual, no pre or post match conferences where they face tough questions. This is not good for the development of the team. As it stands, the coaching staff has not been good enough and their CVs are not inspiring.
It is a big 2 to 3 years for us and we need the right people in charge. There has to be good coaches to nurture these youngsters and remove this culture of just showing up losing and no visible improvements. Cricket coaches need to have a very strong cricket brain and we are lacking very much there. They have lost enough and they must go. If Raza can go out in 3 consecutive TEST innings trying to hit a six, it shows a lack of accountability which further indicates how useless the coaches are to the players also.
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CholeZimbo wrote: ↑Wed Nov 17, 2021 12:42 pm
With Mickey Arthur out of the Sri Lanka job after the Windies series, looks like Grant will be out of work. That massive experience he has had with Pakistan and Sri Lanka will surely need to be roped back in, even as head coach.
Mickey is really a waste at Derbyshire. One of the best coaches in the circuit rn. Drastically fixed up SL and Pak cricket
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Graham Ford has also resigned from Ireland cricket because of his mental health if that means anything
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slcricfan1 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 17, 2021 1:46 pm
CholeZimbo wrote: ↑Wed Nov 17, 2021 12:42 pm
With Mickey Arthur out of the Sri Lanka job after the Windies series, looks like Grant will be out of work. That massive experience he has had with Pakistan and Sri Lanka will surely need to be roped back in, even as head coach.
Mickey is really a waste at Derbyshire. One of the best coaches in the circuit rn. Drastically fixed up SL and Pak cricket
One of the most highly respected international coaches in the world going to.....the worst county in England. It’s certainly an odd one.
He’s replacing Houghton there of course.
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secretzimbo wrote: ↑Wed Nov 17, 2021 2:00 pm
slcricfan1 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 17, 2021 1:46 pm
CholeZimbo wrote: ↑Wed Nov 17, 2021 12:42 pm
With Mickey Arthur out of the Sri Lanka job after the Windies series, looks like Grant will be out of work. That massive experience he has had with Pakistan and Sri Lanka will surely need to be roped back in, even as head coach.
Mickey is really a waste at Derbyshire. One of the best coaches in the circuit rn. Drastically fixed up SL and Pak cricket
One of the most highly respected international coaches in the world going to.....the worst county in England. It’s certainly an odd one.
He’s replacing Houghton there of course.
Worst one makes sense tbh. He went to Pak and Sl lol
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ShareI can't believe that Sri Lanka have let him go to be honest, he has already worked wonders for them. The development of Wanindu Hasaranga has been frightningly quick, when he debuted in the test series against SA I thought he was absolutely dreadful but fair play to him he has proven to be the real deal (atleast in T20 cricket) I don't see how anyone else will do a better job with SL than Mickey Arthur and we may see a very Zimbabwe like SL board collapse quite soon.
Mickey Arthur going to Derbyshire makes sense to me, It's a team with resources but no real figurehead to direct them and no real long term plan as most of the time the second any players show any long term form they get moved on, how on earth they've managed to keep Leus du Plooy is an absolute wonder imo. But he gives them direction and also a reason for players to sign for the county, especially Australian, South African, Pakistani and Sri Lankan players.
What this means for Grant Flower however is another matter. The obvious answer considering his relationship with Arthur is that he will also go and join Derbyshire but how on earth Derbyshire afford both of them would be strange so could potentially either leave him open to head coaching opportunities or batting consultancy roles in a more freelance model such as his brother is doing with head coaching.
Mickey Arthur going to Derbyshire makes sense to me, It's a team with resources but no real figurehead to direct them and no real long term plan as most of the time the second any players show any long term form they get moved on, how on earth they've managed to keep Leus du Plooy is an absolute wonder imo. But he gives them direction and also a reason for players to sign for the county, especially Australian, South African, Pakistani and Sri Lankan players.
What this means for Grant Flower however is another matter. The obvious answer considering his relationship with Arthur is that he will also go and join Derbyshire but how on earth Derbyshire afford both of them would be strange so could potentially either leave him open to head coaching opportunities or batting consultancy roles in a more freelance model such as his brother is doing with head coaching.
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Kallum wrote: ↑Wed Nov 17, 2021 5:17 pm
What this means for Grant Flower however is another matter. The obvious answer considering his relationship with Arthur is that he will also go and join Derbyshire but how on earth Derbyshire afford both of them would be strange so could potentially either leave him open to head coaching opportunities or batting consultancy roles in a more freelance model such as his brother is doing with head coaching.
Get rid of this tubby f***ing Indian idiot we are stuck with and bring this guy in. Flower working under Houghton, with these young players we have. Imagine!
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I'm equally surprised at Mickey's omission. In the recently concluded T20 WC, Sri Lanka looked like a much much improved outfit and a team of the future. They shouldn't have let mickey go.
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slcricfan1 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 8:18 am
Lalchand Rajput is coaching the Kandy side in the LPL
Of course he is. With no international fixtures, we apparently don’t need him anywhere near our setup for a few months.
He’s still picking up a full time monthly salary from ZC though...
f***ing looter he is
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Is Mickey Athur too expensive for Zimcricket to hire? Its a travesty that we have to make do with a clearly subpar coach when a coach of Mickey's calibre is available. Plus with our close proximity to SA, he could coach Zim based in South Africa..hell, we had Rajput as an India-based Zimbabwe coach for years. Is Grant Flower really the ideal coach for ZWE? Granted he was a great batsman what does his coaching resume look like?
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Tinah09 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 9:01 am
Is Mickey Athur too expensive for Zimcricket to hire? Its a travesty that we have to make do with a clearly subpar coach when a coach of Mickey's calibre is available. Plus with our close proximity to SA, he could coach Zim based in South Africa..hell, we had Rajput as an India-based Zimbabwe coach for years. Is Grant Flower really the ideal coach for ZWE? Granted he was a great batsman what does his coaching resume look like?
Not sure how good Grant actually is tbh. Our batting improved a bit but not too much. It did improve though and Ig it wouldve been hard with the language barrier. Pakistan also improved with Babar coming through. Mickey is the best though. Gets fielding and fitness up. Also an excellent man manager according to Dimuth. All the players love him. He gets rid of 'lazy players' too like Umar Akmal. Bhanuka Rajapaskhe at the start was at odds with Mickey publically but improved himself and ended up praising Mickey when he left.
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slcricfan1 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 9:11 am
Tinah09 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 9:01 am
Is Mickey Athur too expensive for Zimcricket to hire? Its a travesty that we have to make do with a clearly subpar coach when a coach of Mickey's calibre is available. Plus with our close proximity to SA, he could coach Zim based in South Africa..hell, we had Rajput as an India-based Zimbabwe coach for years. Is Grant Flower really the ideal coach for ZWE? Granted he was a great batsman what does his coaching resume look like?
Not sure how good Grant actually is tbh. Our batting improved a bit but not too much. It did improve though and Ig it wouldve been hard with the language barrier. Pakistan also improved with Babar coming through. Mickey is the best though. Gets fielding and fitness up. Also an excellent man manager according to Dimuth. All the players love him. He gets rid of 'lazy players' too like Umar Akmal. Bhanuka Rajapaskhe at the start was at odds with Mickey publically but improved himself and ended up praising Mickey when he left.
Maybe that’s why we didn’t appoint Mickey.
If he got rid of our lazy players 20+ guys in our domestic systems career ends overnight!
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ZIMDOGGY wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 9:39 am
slcricfan1 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 9:11 am
Tinah09 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 9:01 am
Is Mickey Athur too expensive for Zimcricket to hire? Its a travesty that we have to make do with a clearly subpar coach when a coach of Mickey's calibre is available. Plus with our close proximity to SA, he could coach Zim based in South Africa..hell, we had Rajput as an India-based Zimbabwe coach for years. Is Grant Flower really the ideal coach for ZWE? Granted he was a great batsman what does his coaching resume look like?
Not sure how good Grant actually is tbh. Our batting improved a bit but not too much. It did improve though and Ig it wouldve been hard with the language barrier. Pakistan also improved with Babar coming through. Mickey is the best though. Gets fielding and fitness up. Also an excellent man manager according to Dimuth. All the players love him. He gets rid of 'lazy players' too like Umar Akmal. Bhanuka Rajapaskhe at the start was at odds with Mickey publically but improved himself and ended up praising Mickey when he left.
Maybe that’s why we didn’t appoint Mickey.
If he got rid of our lazy players 20+ guys in our domestic systems career ends overnight!
😂 😂 😂
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slcricfan1 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 8:18 am
Lalchand Rajput is coaching the Kandy side in the LPL
No other international side would allow their coach to go off an do a random stint whilst being the national coach. When your national team is not playing, you should be working on the development and national programme.
ZCs standards are so low, Rajput is getting away with murder.
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Just to put things in perspective, Heath Streak also coached in the IPL in 2017 (and probably 2018 too?) while being the head coach of Zim.
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Micky Arthur was also coach of a PSL franchise beside Pakistan head coach.
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CrimsonAvenger wrote: ↑Wed Dec 01, 2021 8:02 am
Just to put things in perspective, Heath Streak also coached in the IPL in 2017 (and probably 2018 too?) while being the head coach of Zim.
Really? I understand the PSL franchise thing but moving to entirely different country doenst seem like the right thing to do
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CrimsonAvenger wrote: ↑Wed Dec 01, 2021 8:02 am
Just to put things in perspective, Heath Streak also coached in the IPL in 2017 (and probably 2018 too?) while being the head coach of Zim.
Still stand by my statement.
Rajkumar Sharma wrote: ↑Wed Dec 01, 2021 4:25 pm
Micky Arthur was also coach of a PSL franchise beside Pakistan head coach.
I don't mind this. He was coaching within the national set up, so he was still involved in the national set up of the team he is coaching. The only issue it could present is possible favouritism for players from the T20 side he coached.
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ZIMDOGGY wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 9:39 am
Maybe that’s why we didn’t appoint Mickey.
If he got rid of our lazy players 20+ guys in our domestic systems career ends overnight!
😂
Players have to choose between KFC and cricket. 😂
But Mickey Arthur will be a great coach for Zim.
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