If I am not mistaken, the current coaching staff took over in June 2018 and results have not been up to scratch. Of course there are other factors but judging from execution in the games, sometimes it seems the team plays without a clear plan or approach. For example, as recent as yesterday, the bowlers just seemed to be throwing it and hoping for the best.
All three main coaches honestly were not great during their playing days and I do not think they are good enough in terms of strategy and game plan. At best they are just trainers to me were Stuey can just throw a 100 balls to batsmen in the nets, but when it comes to how they strategize on how to approach a game, a match situation I do not see this being translated onto the field of play and the same can be said about the bowling department.
Are there any standards to which they have to live up to as coaches and who do they report to? It always seems as though it is business as usual, no pre or post match conferences where they face tough questions. This is not good for the development of the team. As it stands, the coaching staff has not been good enough and their CVs are not inspiring.
It is a big 2 to 3 years for us and we need the right people in charge. There has to be good coaches to nurture these youngsters and remove this culture of just showing up losing and no visible improvements. Cricket coaches need to have a very strong cricket brain and we are lacking very much there. They have lost enough and they must go. If Raza can go out in 3 consecutive TEST innings trying to hit a six, it shows a lack of accountability which further indicates how useless the coaches are to the players also.
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Irrespective of how many they score in this series, Im quite convinced that Dion Myers and Wesley Madhevere have the potential to make it big at international level. They look really good.
They need good coaches to groom them
They need good coaches to groom them
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Yea this is where a modern batting coach can really help
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I understand Lalchand Rajput's contract expires at the end of August.
He's a popular man with the senior players apparently. And presumably he's popular with the ZC board as well because he is the least outspoken coach of all time. He isn't ever going to rock the boat.
But surely, surely, even ZC must realise the team is not progressing - and has not progressed - under his leadership. 3 years in the job with little improvement. I understand Rajput has been in the country since Christmas (due to Covid travel etc), but we must remember that for his first 2 years in the job he was barely ever in Zimbabwe and almost never attended any domestic matches in person.
We have to be realistic - we are unlikely to attract any big name. Anyone from the west probably isn't going to want to come and move to Zim, especially in pandemic times. Our best bet is probably someone from SA. I don't know who. Doesn't have to be anyone massive. But someone experienced with developing players. Even if thats someone from a province or something. Being from SA probably means they can be here for the domestic season as well without having to relocate. Let's hope ZC make a strong decision at the end of the Ireland tour. If they renew Rajput's contract then I give up.
I mentioned in one of the match threads about Matsikenyeri as well. We have some great young batting talent. But is Matsikenyeri the man to help Wes turn his 50's into 100's? Is he the man to take Myers from good batsmen to world class batsmen? Is he the man to develop Shumba's short-format game? Or the man to develop Marumani's long-format game?
Matsikenyeri's Zimbabwe career consisted of 136 innings and never a single century. It is the equivalent of Chamu Chibhabha being our batting coach a few years from now.
He's a popular man with the senior players apparently. And presumably he's popular with the ZC board as well because he is the least outspoken coach of all time. He isn't ever going to rock the boat.
But surely, surely, even ZC must realise the team is not progressing - and has not progressed - under his leadership. 3 years in the job with little improvement. I understand Rajput has been in the country since Christmas (due to Covid travel etc), but we must remember that for his first 2 years in the job he was barely ever in Zimbabwe and almost never attended any domestic matches in person.
We have to be realistic - we are unlikely to attract any big name. Anyone from the west probably isn't going to want to come and move to Zim, especially in pandemic times. Our best bet is probably someone from SA. I don't know who. Doesn't have to be anyone massive. But someone experienced with developing players. Even if thats someone from a province or something. Being from SA probably means they can be here for the domestic season as well without having to relocate. Let's hope ZC make a strong decision at the end of the Ireland tour. If they renew Rajput's contract then I give up.
I mentioned in one of the match threads about Matsikenyeri as well. We have some great young batting talent. But is Matsikenyeri the man to help Wes turn his 50's into 100's? Is he the man to take Myers from good batsmen to world class batsmen? Is he the man to develop Shumba's short-format game? Or the man to develop Marumani's long-format game?
Matsikenyeri's Zimbabwe career consisted of 136 innings and never a single century. It is the equivalent of Chamu Chibhabha being our batting coach a few years from now.
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Bangladesh bowling coach: Ottis Gibson (WI) , Batting coach: Ashwell Prince (SA) , HEAD COACH: Russel Domingo (SA)
Zimbabwe bowling coach: Douglas Hondo (ZIM) , Batting coach: Stuart Matsikenyeri , HEAD COACH: Lalchand Rajput (IND)
Which team has better coaching staff?
This tells the difference
Zimbabwe bowling coach: Douglas Hondo (ZIM) , Batting coach: Stuart Matsikenyeri , HEAD COACH: Lalchand Rajput (IND)
Which team has better coaching staff?
This tells the difference
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Another thought, if ZC wants Zimbos involved in the coaching setup, there are alternatives to Hondo/Matsikenyeri/Utseya etc.
We've just seen Shepherd Makunura win four consecutive Logan Cups with two separate franchises; surely it's worth trying him with some sort of role in the setup? (Not head coach obviously. I mean assistant, or U19, or pathway etc).
We've just seen Shepherd Makunura win four consecutive Logan Cups with two separate franchises; surely it's worth trying him with some sort of role in the setup? (Not head coach obviously. I mean assistant, or U19, or pathway etc).
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I think a lot depends on the next 3 T20s, and most importantly the Ireland tour, there are 3 ODIs and 5 T20s on that tour, if Zimbabwe win the series I think Rajput will keep his job, otherwise ZC should honestly reconsider.
In Rajput's defence, I'd say he has been a bit unlucky, last 6 months he simply hasn't had a full strength team. They've also lost Jarvis to illness and injuries... Desperately hoping the Ireland tour will have a full strength squad.
In Rajput's defence, I'd say he has been a bit unlucky, last 6 months he simply hasn't had a full strength team. They've also lost Jarvis to illness and injuries... Desperately hoping the Ireland tour will have a full strength squad.
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Should have beaten Bangladesh 2-1 really.
Hands down outplayed in first ODI. Second and third in acendency for much of match then let it slip.
Chatara is unfortunately not the bowler he was. If ngarava was injured chivanga should have got a game really.
Hands down outplayed in first ODI. Second and third in acendency for much of match then let it slip.
Chatara is unfortunately not the bowler he was. If ngarava was injured chivanga should have got a game really.
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Ireland beat SA recently. I do not see us winning there. The setup is definitely toxic there. There should be changes. The player changes have failed it is now time for the coaches to leave. Surely after so many defeats a player loses faith in his coach's teaching and the coach loses faith in his players for not learning. At this point nothing will work and the coach should make way for someone that has different methods that might actually work on this crop of players.
Rajput might actually be a good coach for Namibia and not necessarily for Zim. Streak actually had a decent run. Andy Flower might actually struggle whilst Rahul Dravid succeeds. I do not know what the director of cricket does, but he needs to understand where Zim cricket is and the types of players we have and match them with the right coach.
You have failed as a bowling coach when the team concedes so many extras consistently, bowl so many no balls in a game that should be about fine margins. When your bowlers cannot bowl a consistent line throughout an over, repeating the same mistakes bowling half the innings' balls on the pads and down leg. When you do not have plans against tailenders who can score big runs against you.
Like nothing happened the coaches will be in Ireland losing more games by repeating the same mistakes.
Rajput might actually be a good coach for Namibia and not necessarily for Zim. Streak actually had a decent run. Andy Flower might actually struggle whilst Rahul Dravid succeeds. I do not know what the director of cricket does, but he needs to understand where Zim cricket is and the types of players we have and match them with the right coach.
You have failed as a bowling coach when the team concedes so many extras consistently, bowl so many no balls in a game that should be about fine margins. When your bowlers cannot bowl a consistent line throughout an over, repeating the same mistakes bowling half the innings' balls on the pads and down leg. When you do not have plans against tailenders who can score big runs against you.
Like nothing happened the coaches will be in Ireland losing more games by repeating the same mistakes.
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Not including the planned 'A' fixtures, we should have a gap of at least 3-4 months or so between the end of the Ireland tour and the arrival of Afghanistan for their tour. Perfect opportunity to make any changes after that Ireland trip.
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I have very little hope in ZC replacing the current coaches. It feels very much like it will be a case of the boys club staying on. Rajput has to go, not least for the performances, but it is unfathomable to have a coach of a national side not watching domestic cricket for 2 years.
If anything, I can see Hammy giving roles to his mates. There are definitely plenty of options in SA that would jump at the chance, but it's not like ZC to be logical and do what's in the best interest of the game.
If anything, I can see Hammy giving roles to his mates. There are definitely plenty of options in SA that would jump at the chance, but it's not like ZC to be logical and do what's in the best interest of the game.
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Donald wrote: ↑Tue Jul 20, 2021 7:36 pm
Should have beaten Bangladesh 2-1 really.
Hands down outplayed in first ODI. Second and third in acendency for much of match then let it slip.
Chatara is unfortunately not the bowler he was. If ngarava was injured chivanga should have got a game really.
I'll give you the 2nd ODI, but the 3rd game, what could be called "ascendency" was only for about 40% of the game (80% of the first innings). Also posting 300 on a 300-325 par pitch isn't really ascendency, its just being at or slightly below par. At no point was Bangladesh in trouble with the chase of 300.
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Kriterion_BD wrote: ↑Wed Jul 21, 2021 6:52 am
Donald wrote: ↑Tue Jul 20, 2021 7:36 pm
Should have beaten Bangladesh 2-1 really.
Hands down outplayed in first ODI. Second and third in acendency for much of match then let it slip.
Chatara is unfortunately not the bowler he was. If ngarava was injured chivanga should have got a game really.
I'll give you the 2nd ODI, but the 3rd game, what could be called "ascendency" was only for about 40% of the game (80% of the first innings). Also posting 300 on a 300-325 par pitch isn't really ascendency, its just being at or slightly below par. At no point was Bangladesh in trouble with the chase of 300.
If you consider the wayward schoolboy bowling, and poor captaincy then BD were also given the 3rd ODI on a plate. It was more bowling madness than batting brilliance. If we had bowled that 4th/5th stump line this would have been a tighter contest.
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Surely jobs are on the line if Zim don't win a game against Bangladesh. The board has made it known in the past they expect results against the lower teams/associates. Whitewashed at home against Bangladesh is not a good look.
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If you consider the wayward schoolboy bowling, and poor captaincy then BD were also given the 3rd ODI on a plate. It was more bowling madness than batting brilliance. If we had bowled that 4th/5th stump line this would have been a tighter contest.
Well if you consider the schoolboy batting the first ODI was also handed over on a plate. As were the 16 previous ODIs going back to 2014. Its highly unlikely a coin will land on heads 19 times in a row.
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Don't how those petitions with signatures work but we seriously need one to get the coaches out! Somehow they have to know our concerns. The whole board reports to know one now after that SRC debacle that has now given them the right to go on their merry way.
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Find out when the contracts are up is the first start.
Can’t see anything happening until the organic ending f their contracts.
Can’t see anything happening until the organic ending f their contracts.
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ZIMDOGGY wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 5:11 pm
Find out when the contracts are up is the first start.
Can’t see anything happening until the organic ending f their contracts.
August 31st 2021 apparently. (Rajput, that is)
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Zimbabwe should look for someone like Chandika Hathurusingha who is known for lifting a deplted side. New South Wales, Sydney Thunders and he has also played a huge role in setting present Bangladesh Side.
Hathurusingha pairing up with Jarvis as bowling coach role, will be a positive move
Hathurusingha pairing up with Jarvis as bowling coach role, will be a positive move
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Do remember that Hondo's association with the coaching setup predates Rajput. So, no matter what they do with the head coach, they can continue to accommodate Hondo and Matsi (which seems to be their priority :))
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Rajkumar Sharma wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 4:40 am
Zimbabwe should look for someone like Chandika Hathurusingha who is known for lifting a deplted side. New South Wales, Sydney Thunders and he has also played a huge role in setting present Bangladesh Side.
Hathurusingha pairing up with Jarvis as bowling coach role, will be a positive move
I believe in coaching terms, it’s not considered a good idea having a player who was recently your team mate as a coach. Hard to have that right respect.
I’d rather Gary Brent.
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