If I am not mistaken, the current coaching staff took over in June 2018 and results have not been up to scratch. Of course there are other factors but judging from execution in the games, sometimes it seems the team plays without a clear plan or approach. For example, as recent as yesterday, the bowlers just seemed to be throwing it and hoping for the best.
All three main coaches honestly were not great during their playing days and I do not think they are good enough in terms of strategy and game plan. At best they are just trainers to me were Stuey can just throw a 100 balls to batsmen in the nets, but when it comes to how they strategize on how to approach a game, a match situation I do not see this being translated onto the field of play and the same can be said about the bowling department.
Are there any standards to which they have to live up to as coaches and who do they report to? It always seems as though it is business as usual, no pre or post match conferences where they face tough questions. This is not good for the development of the team. As it stands, the coaching staff has not been good enough and their CVs are not inspiring.
It is a big 2 to 3 years for us and we need the right people in charge. There has to be good coaches to nurture these youngsters and remove this culture of just showing up losing and no visible improvements. Cricket coaches need to have a very strong cricket brain and we are lacking very much there. They have lost enough and they must go. If Raza can go out in 3 consecutive TEST innings trying to hit a six, it shows a lack of accountability which further indicates how useless the coaches are to the players also.
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Annnnd not only is it realistic,
If it was advertised, I reckon we would see a cover letter and resume from Dsteyn69@gmail.com hit the inbox.
If it was advertised, I reckon we would see a cover letter and resume from Dsteyn69@gmail.com hit the inbox.
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ZIMDOGGY wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 9:08 pm
Was it unrealistic when they got Gillespie?
Someone who was at the same stage of his coaching career post retirement, without the zim connection.
Was it unrealistic getting Geoff Marsh? Right after coaching the most dominant test team of the current century?
Was in unrealistic getting Dav Whatmore?
What about former Indian coach and current coach Rajput?
But yes, it’s unrealistic getting a guy who soends his free time in Zim with no coaching experience
Gillespie was signed for a domestic team when there was money being thrown around at the likes of Gayle and co.
Geoff Marsh was signed up by a totally different board when things were actually good.
Dav Whatmore I will give, but also look how quickly they were to dismiss him.
Rajput is stealing a living. Barely done anything for this team and the coaching staff he works with are no better. Might has well have a broomstick as manager with the amount of time Rajput spends out of the country.
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zimbos_05 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:30 am
ZIMDOGGY wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 9:08 pm
Was it unrealistic when they got Gillespie?
Someone who was at the same stage of his coaching career post retirement, without the zim connection.
Was it unrealistic getting Geoff Marsh? Right after coaching the most dominant test team of the current century?
Was in unrealistic getting Dav Whatmore?
What about former Indian coach and current coach Rajput?
But yes, it’s unrealistic getting a guy who soends his free time in Zim with no coaching experience
Gillespie was signed for a domestic team when there was money being thrown around at the likes of Gayle and co.
Geoff Marsh was signed up by a totally different board when things were actually good.
Dav Whatmore I will give, but also look how quickly they were to dismiss him.
Rajput is stealing a living. Barely done anything for this team and the coaching staff he works with are no better. Might has well have a broomstick as manager with the amount of time Rajput spends out of the country.
Rajput maybe in cruise control but he still signed up, as did Klusener, Ntini, streak- all by this current mob.
Remember, we aren’t signing Steyn the player, it would be Steyn the coach.he spends alto of
Time in zim anyway.
He’s low hanging fruit.
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ZIMDOGGY wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:54 pm
Rajput maybe in cruise control but he still signed up, as did Klusener, Ntini, streak- all by this current mob.
Remember, we aren’t signing Steyn the player, it would be Steyn the coach.he spends alto of
Time in zim anyway.
He’s low hanging fruit.
I don't know how good Ntini was.
I feel Klusener signed on because of Streak. In sport, it's one thing to have a good coach, but if the coaching team is not cohesive and good, then that good coach won't work.
I already know how much he loves Zim and spends time there, I just fear he won't be allowed to do his role properly. Elton is probably the guy they would want as the bowling coach.
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zimbos_05 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 9:52 pm
ZIMDOGGY wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:54 pm
Rajput maybe in cruise control but he still signed up, as did Klusener, Ntini, streak- all by this current mob.
Remember, we aren’t signing Steyn the player, it would be Steyn the coach.he spends alto of
Time in zim anyway.
He’s low hanging fruit.
I don't know how good Ntini was.
I feel Klusener signed on because of Streak. In sport, it's one thing to have a good coach, but if the coaching team is not cohesive and good, then that good coach won't work.
I already know how much he loves Zim and spends time there, I just fear he won't be allowed to do his role properly. Elton is probably the guy they would want as the bowling coach.
He may have signed in because of Streak. I’m not sure, but I won’t go against you. Any roosters fan (looking at you Eugene) knows that quality attracts quality and athletes seem to like being on the winning team. Building something from scratch doesn’t seem to be high on any athletes agenda. Riding a winnings wave is.
But,
Ntiji as a coach was horrible but a funny guy, and the fact they have hit all these signatures means that ZC pays their coaches,AND the fact it is one of 11 test nations means they will always manage to get premium coaching talent unless they jew out on cash.
WE know that there is a possibility that Steyn would not be able to do his job 100% but does Steyn know that? Anyone in zim won’t warn him against it.
But, a bowlimg coach I feel is pretty d/c from the politics in general.
Their job is try and make mashinge or whoever slightly more focused. Don’t think zanu makes much difference here
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ZIMDOGGY wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 10:23 pm
He may have signed in because of Streak. I’m not sure, but I won’t go against you. Any roosters fan (looking at you Eugene) knows that quality attracts quality and athletes seem to like being on the winning team. Building something from scratch doesn’t seem to be high on any athletes agenda. Riding a winnings wave is.
But,
Ntiji as a coach was horrible but a funny guy, and the fact they have hit all these signatures means that ZC pays their coaches,AND the fact it is one of 11 test nations means they will always manage to get premium coaching talent unless they jew out on cash.
WE know that there is a possibility that Steyn would not be able to do his job 100% but does Steyn know that? Anyone in zim won’t warn him against it.
But, a bowlimg coach I feel is pretty d/c from the politics in general.
Their job is try and make mashinge or whoever slightly more focused. Don’t think zanu makes much difference here
Wasn't talking about Zanu. Not sure why everyone feels I'm always political.
Let's say Steyen comes in. He looks at the bowlers and goes, hypothetically "nup, Ngarava doesn't have it, he needs to go"...Maybe the board and the coaching staff are like, "ok, we'll accept this one for now".
Then next thing you know, he says, "Chamu shouldn't be bowling". Suddenly, he is talking about a mate. What are the chances what he says will then be accepted freely.
I would be desperate to have a guy like Steyn in our ranks. He would bring so much experience and skill to the bowling department that we know Douggie isn't bringing. Instantly for the young guys too, they have this machine of a bowler who is coaching them. A guy they have watched as they were growing up.
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I think we all know there are players that will pull the race card, for example if Chamu is told you cant bowl and as you said Ngarava is told he has to do a bit more work.
The only reliable solution to this is to try and Attract an Ex West indian Fast bowler as a coach i can think of three Curtly Ambrose recently applied for a coaching job with ECB.
Some one like Courtney Walsh has been working with Bangladesh
Andy Roberts has worked with the indian team and Also with Bangladesh.
So my point if you get a Blackman as a Bowling coach if a player get replaced or is moved on they cannot use race as a reason.
The only reliable solution to this is to try and Attract an Ex West indian Fast bowler as a coach i can think of three Curtly Ambrose recently applied for a coaching job with ECB.
Some one like Courtney Walsh has been working with Bangladesh
Andy Roberts has worked with the indian team and Also with Bangladesh.
So my point if you get a Blackman as a Bowling coach if a player get replaced or is moved on they cannot use race as a reason.
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zimlover wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 2:30 am
I think we all know there are players that will pull the race card, for example if Chamu is told you cant bowl and as you said Ngarava is told he has to do a bit more work.
The only reliable solution to this is to try and Attract an Ex West indian Fast bowler as a coach i can think of three Curtly Ambrose recently applied for a coaching job with ECB.
Some one like Courtney Walsh has been working with Bangladesh
Andy Roberts has worked with the indian team and Also with Bangladesh.
So my point if you get a Blackman as a Bowling coach if a player get replaced or is moved on they cannot use race as a reason.
I was thinking on these lines too, but we all know how Phil Simmons' tenure ended...
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zimbos_05 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 12:26 am
Let's say Steyen comes in. He looks at the bowlers and goes, hypothetically "nup, Ngarava doesn't have it, he needs to go"...Maybe the board and the coaching staff are like, "ok, we'll accept this one for now".
Then next thing you know, he says, "Chamu shouldn't be bowling". Suddenly, he is talking about a mate. What are the chances what he says will then be accepted freely.
We already know how something like this impacted. Nyauchi getting shafted by Ntini.
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ZIMDOGGY wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 10:23 pm
zimbos_05 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 9:52 pm
ZIMDOGGY wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:54 pm
Rajput maybe in cruise control but he still signed up, as did Klusener, Ntini, streak- all by this current mob.
Remember, we aren’t signing Steyn the player, it would be Steyn the coach.he spends alto of
Time in zim anyway.
He’s low hanging fruit.
I don't know how good Ntini was.
I feel Klusener signed on because of Streak. In sport, it's one thing to have a good coach, but if the coaching team is not cohesive and good, then that good coach won't work.
I already know how much he loves Zim and spends time there, I just fear he won't be allowed to do his role properly. Elton is probably the guy they would want as the bowling coach.
He may have signed in because of Streak. I’m not sure, but I won’t go against you. Any roosters fan (looking at you Eugene) knows that quality attracts quality and athletes seem to like being on the winning team. Building something from scratch doesn’t seem to be high on any athletes agenda. Riding a winnings wave is.
But,
Ntiji as a coach was horrible but a funny guy, and the fact they have hit all these signatures means that ZC pays their coaches,AND the fact it is one of 11 test nations means they will always manage to get premium coaching talent unless they jew out on cash.
WE know that there is a possibility that Steyn would not be able to do his job 100% but does Steyn know that? Anyone in zim won’t warn him against it.
But, a bowlimg coach I feel is pretty d/c from the politics in general.
Their job is try and make mashinge or whoever slightly more focused. Don’t think zanu makes much difference here
I generally respect your opinions Zimdoggy, but please can you stop using "Jew" in a derogatory way. Thanks
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zimbos_05 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 12:26 am
ZIMDOGGY wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 10:23 pm
He may have signed in because of Streak. I’m not sure, but I won’t go against you. Any roosters fan (looking at you Eugene) knows that quality attracts quality and athletes seem to like being on the winning team. Building something from scratch doesn’t seem to be high on any athletes agenda. Riding a winnings wave is.
But,
Ntiji as a coach was horrible but a funny guy, and the fact they have hit all these signatures means that ZC pays their coaches,AND the fact it is one of 11 test nations means they will always manage to get premium coaching talent unless they jew out on cash.
WE know that there is a possibility that Steyn would not be able to do his job 100% but does Steyn know that? Anyone in zim won’t warn him against it.
But, a bowlimg coach I feel is pretty d/c from the politics in general.
Their job is try and make mashinge or whoever slightly more focused. Don’t think zanu makes much difference here
Wasn't talking about Zanu. Not sure why everyone feels I'm always political.
Let's say Steyen comes in. He looks at the bowlers and goes, hypothetically "nup, Ngarava doesn't have it, he needs to go"...Maybe the board and the coaching staff are like, "ok, we'll accept this one for now".
Then next thing you know, he says, "Chamu shouldn't be bowling". Suddenly, he is talking about a mate. What are the chances what he says will then be accepted freely.
I would be desperate to have a guy like Steyn in our ranks. He would bring so much experience and skill to the bowling department that we know Douggie isn't bringing. Instantly for the young guys too, they have this machine of a bowler who is coaching them. A guy they have watched as they were growing up.
If the argument was ZC generally screws up their coaching relationships in the end, then I would agree with you.
If you Said that in two years Steyn would jump ship, I’d also agree with you.
But my whole point is, we could easily recruit Steyn. ZC have never struggled attracting coaches.
I doubt Dale reads these forums as avidly as we do (hey Dale if you are reading) so I doubt he will be thinking what happened to Phil Simmons will be weighing heavily on his mind, but if he wanted to get into the coaching game, a National spot, nearby, that is part time but pays full time.... he will jump all over that like a pedo at a wiggles concert.
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Too soon but Sean Williams might make a good national coach at some point
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CholeZimbo wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 9:57 am
Too soon but Sean Williams might make a good national coach at some point
Yep,
But he is one ninja I want to see stay for another World Cup cycle beyond the
Upcoming one. I think he and Craig have the necessary
fitness to play balls deep into their late thirties.
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CholeZimbo wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 9:57 am
Too soon but Sean Williams might make a good national coach at some point
Williams i feel has just hit his peak in his career, he is scoring runs in all formats regularly and bowling pretty well too, alongside some pretty strong captaincy. Hopefully ZC doesn't take the p**s but I think he will last until the next One Day world cup, assuming Zim qualify what will be according to all rumours a 14 team tournament which they nodoubt should.
I agree that he would make a good coach though, seems to have a very patient and strong mindset which is important with dealing with players who are strong in mindset before they even have the skills ready
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Kallum wrote: ↑Mon Apr 12, 2021 7:42 pm
CholeZimbo wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 9:57 am
Too soon but Sean Williams might make a good national coach at some point
Williams i feel has just hit his peak in his career, he is scoring runs in all formats regularly and bowling pretty well too, alongside some pretty strong captaincy. Hopefully ZC doesn't take the p**s but I think he will last until the next One Day world cup, assuming Zim qualify what will be according to all rumours a 14 team tournament which they nodoubt should.
I agree that he would make a good coach though, seems to have a very patient and strong mindset which is important with dealing with players who are strong in mindset before they even have the skills ready
2023 WC is 10-teams, 100%. It's expanding in 2027, when Willo will be 40!!
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ZIMDOGGY wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 8:25 am
zimbos_05 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 12:26 am
ZIMDOGGY wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 10:23 pm
He may have signed in because of Streak. I’m not sure, but I won’t go against you. Any roosters fan (looking at you Eugene) knows that quality attracts quality and athletes seem to like being on the winning team. Building something from scratch doesn’t seem to be high on any athletes agenda. Riding a winnings wave is.
But,
Ntiji as a coach was horrible but a funny guy, and the fact they have hit all these signatures means that ZC pays their coaches,AND the fact it is one of 11 test nations means they will always manage to get premium players coaching talent unless they jew out on cash.
WE know that there is a possibility that Steyn would not be able to do his job 100% but does Steyn know that? Anyone in zim won’t warn him against it.
But, a bowlimg coach I feel is pretty d/c from the politics in general.
Their job is try and make mashinge or whoever slightly more focused. Don’t think zanu makes much difference here
Wasn't talking about Zanu. Not sure why everyone feels I'm always political.
Let's say Steyen comes in. He looks at the bowlers and goes, hypothetically "nup, Ngarava doesn't have it, he needs to go"...Maybe the board and the coaching staff are like, "ok, we'll accept this one for now".
Then next thing you know, he says, "Chamu shouldn't be bowling". Suddenly, he is talking about a mate. What are the chances what he says will then be accepted freely.
I would be desperate to have a guy like Steyn in our ranks. He would bring so much experience and skill to the bowling department that we know Douggie isn't bringing. Instantly for the young guys too, they have this machine of a bowler who is coaching them. A guy they have watched as they were growing up.
If the argument was ZC generally screws up their coaching relationships in the end, then I would agree with you.
If you Said that in two years Steyn would jump ship, I’d also agree with you.
But my whole point is, we could easily recruit Steyn. ZC have never struggled attracting coaches.
I doubt Dale reads these forums as avidly as we do (hey Dale if you are reading) so I doubt he will be thinking what happened to Phil Simmons will be weighing heavily on his mind, but if he wanted to get into the coaching game, a National spot, nearby, that is part time but pays full time.... he will jump all over that like a pedo at a wiggles concert.
Mashinge seems largely committed to working. The impact of Zanu doesn't seem much here.
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To be honest, even sometimes if the players are to be blame on the pitch, a fresh set of ideas is now required. The losses have been increasing now. It is time we bring in some new guys into the setup. At this point anyone as long as it is someone different. We are used to it as fans, but the losing is now getting out of hand.
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CholeZimbo wrote: ↑Sun Jul 18, 2021 3:40 pm
To be honest, even sometimes if the players are to be blame on the pitch, a fresh set of ideas is now required. The losses have been increasing now. It is time we bring in some new guys into the setup. At this point anyone as long as it is someone different. We are used to it as fans, but the losing is now getting out of hand.
Be careful what you wish for. Pretty sure the guys who would be brought in will be Chamu and Elton.
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True. If part of Hamilton's role includes appointing coaches then we are in trouble. How can you fire your former coach and mates.
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CholeZimbo wrote: ↑Mon Jul 19, 2021 5:25 am
True. If part of Hamilton's role includes appointing coaches then we are in trouble. How can you fire your former coach and mates.
Agreed. Coaches should not be a one man decision. It's quite clear we have regressed under the current coaching staff.
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