I think a nice shiny new thread for the tournament is in order now the boys are on the plane.
The squad has departed for the West Indies, via the US, this morning after the whole touring party all returned negative Covid tests.
SQUAD:
Emmanuel Bawa (C) (Eastbourne College, U.K.)
Brian Bennett (VC) (Peterhouse)
David Bennett (Peterhouse)
Victor Chirwa (Watershed)
Mgcini Dube (CBC)
Alex Falao (Prince Edward)
Tendekai Mataranyika (Peterhouse)
Tashinga Makoni (Wise Owl)
Connor Mitchell (Maritzburg, South Africa)
Steven Saul (Peterhouse)
Matthew Schonken (Hellenic)
Panashe Taruvinga (St Charles, South Africa)
Matthew Welch (St Johns)
Rogan Wolhuter (Falcon)
Ngenyasha Zvinoera (Cardiff University, U.K.)
Team Manager: Dilip Chouhan
Selector on Tour: Moses Chitare
Head Coach: Prosper Utseya
Assistant Coach: Elton Chigumbura
Analyst: Mufaro Chiturumani
Physio: Anesu Mupotaringa
Non-travelling Reserves: Aisha Chibanda (Churchill), Luyanda Mtomba (Siziba), Tadiwanashe Mwale (Durham Cathedral, U.K.), Declan Rugg (Radley College, U.K.), Tanaka Zvaita (Wrekin College, U.K.)
Selectors: Moses Chitare (Chair), Prosper Utseya, Elton Chigumbura, Kyle Jarvis
FIXTURES:
Ireland Series:
29th Dec: Zimbabwe U19 Vs Ireland - Zimbabwe WIN by 55 runs
30th Dec: Zimbabwe U19s Vs Ireland - Zimbabwe WIN by 135 runs
1st Jan: Zimbabwe U19s Vs Ireland - Zimbabwe WIN by 4 wickets
2nd Jan: Zimbabwe U19s Vs Ireland - Zimbabwe LOSE by 117 runs
Official Warm Up:
9th Jan: Zimbabwe U19 Vs Canada, - Zimbabwe WIN by 2 runs
11th Jan: Zimbabwe U19 Vs Bangladesh, - Zimbabwe LOSE by 155 runs (D/L)
U19 World Cup, Group C:
15th Jan: Zimbabwe U19 Vs Papua New Guinea - Zimbabwe WIN by 228 runs
17th Jan: Zimbabwe U19 Vs Pakistan
22nd Jan: Zimbabwe U19 Vs Afghanistan
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It's insane. The best one is the Afghan wicketkeeper. Someone on here pointed out the other day he is claiming to be 16 too, but he made his Afghan First Class debut four years ago 😂 😂 So he was 12?!?!?!
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secretzimbo wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 7:33 pm
It's insane. The best one is the Afghan wicketkeeper. Someone on here pointed out the other day he is claiming to be 16 too, but he made his Afghan First Class debut four years ago 😂 😂 So he was 12?!?!?!
Hahaha, they are not even trying to hide it.
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But there's obviously an unwritten requirement for any opposition not to query ages. I understand Pakistan and Afghanistan not wanting to raise their hands against each other, but what about England, NZ and Australia? I mean they'll be compliant.
If you're going to query bowling actions then surely you can do the same for ages.
Pakistan is likely to make the final, and hopefully against a team sticking to the rules and hopefully there will be some public noise.
This game isn't quite dead yet, these Afghans csn really play. They've faced world class bowling here and done well.
These Pakistanis did not bowl nearly as well against us, this is next level stuff.
If you're going to query bowling actions then surely you can do the same for ages.
Pakistan is likely to make the final, and hopefully against a team sticking to the rules and hopefully there will be some public noise.
This game isn't quite dead yet, these Afghans csn really play. They've faced world class bowling here and done well.
These Pakistanis did not bowl nearly as well against us, this is next level stuff.
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I'm not going to stop whining about this. Check out the reserves of both sides, they're visibly much younger. They look 18/19.
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Googly wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 7:17 pm
This Maaz guy is really good, must be knocking on 30 years of age. If I was 19 and looked like that I'd top myself, he'll look like Bejamin Button in 2 years time.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
That's funny I almost peed a little 😂😂😂😂😂
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Googly wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 7:56 pm
I'm not going to stop whining about this. Check out the reserves of both sides, they're visibly much younger. They look 18/19.
Level playing fields are overrated man. It's not like anyone's life or livelihood depends on it. Theoretically there is nothing stopping ZIM from playing Musakanda or Maruma in this tourney as 17 year Olds.
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Aside from the needless run outs these Afghans are probably going to lose this because they haven't swept and reversed.
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Kriterion_BD wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 8:18 pm
Googly wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 7:56 pm
I'm not going to stop whining about this. Check out the reserves of both sides, they're visibly much younger. They look 18/19.
Level playing fields are overrated man. It's not like anyone's life or livelihood depends on it. Theoretically there is nothing stopping ZIM from playing Musakanda or Maruma in this tourney as 17 year Olds.
I'm curious why you don't have a problem with it? Enlighten us further.
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I'm going off a cricinfo scorecard rather than any video evidence though Pakistan seem to have match in the bag with 7 wickets down. Stranger things have happened though
Googly what you reckon zims chances are this weekend against these lot?
Googly what you reckon zims chances are this weekend against these lot?
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Kriterion_BD wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 8:18 pm
Googly wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 7:56 pm
I'm not going to stop whining about this. Check out the reserves of both sides, they're visibly much younger. They look 18/19.
Level playing fields are overrated man. It's not like anyone's life or livelihood depends on it. Theoretically there is nothing stopping ZIM from playing Musakanda or Maruma in this tourney as 17 year Olds.
Decency? Honesty? Respect?
No?
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Donald wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 8:27 pm
I'm going off a cricinfo scorecard rather than any video evidence though Pakistan seem to have match in the bag with 7 wickets down. Stranger things have happened though
Googly what you reckon zims chances are this weekend against these lot?
This was a real high quality game, enjoyed every minute.
We posted 200 against Pakistan thanks to Bennet, but they definitely didn't bowl as well against us, plus they were missing that seamer.
These Afghans can't seem to sweep or reverse nor get much behind square at all. Conventional old fashioned batting. No touch game whatsoever by the looks of things, but their bowling is absolutely top notch. They'd trouble seasoned pro cricketers. We've got 5 batsmen in our line up, at least two are going to have to have the innings of their lives. Ya I'm not confident at all after watching that.
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Kriterion_BD wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 8:18 pm
Googly wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 7:56 pm
I'm not going to stop whining about this. Check out the reserves of both sides, they're visibly much younger. They look 18/19.
Level playing fields are overrated man. It's not like anyone's life or livelihood depends on it. Theoretically there is nothing stopping ZIM from playing Musakanda or Maruma in this tourney as 17 year Olds.
Well that's not true. A 25 year old bowling 140 sconning someone in a tournament is actually life threatening. There would be grounds for a law suit.
Secondly there are youngsters looking for Academy and pro contracts and runs are important so there goes the livelihood part as well.
How do you feel about Mankad?
Do you mind who cheats? I mean if someone cheats against your side would it be less palatable or are you OK with it across the board?
Are you ambivalent about it or would you actively encourage it if someone could get away with it?
For example would you teach your kids to cheat?
Where do you personally draw the line? A list of things that you are not OK with would help establish how much of a dipstick you actually are. 😂
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Googly wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 9:03 pm
Donald wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 8:27 pm
I'm going off a cricinfo scorecard rather than any video evidence though Pakistan seem to have match in the bag with 7 wickets down. Stranger things have happened though
Googly what you reckon zims chances are this weekend against these lot?
This was a real high quality game, enjoyed every minute.
We posted 200 against Pakistan thanks to Bennet, but they definitely didn't bowl as well against us, plus they were missing that seamer.
These Afghans can't seem to sweep or reverse nor get much behind square at all. Conventional old fashioned batting. No touch game whatsoever by the looks of things, but their bowling is absolutely top notch. They'd trouble seasoned pro cricketers. We've got 5 batsmen in our line up, at least two are going to have to have the innings of their lives. Ya I'm not confident at all after watching that.
Not good. I'm not sold on makoni. Do we have another batter to replace him. Actually yes we do wohulter who seems to be out of favour.
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Googly wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 9:38 pm
I'm not going to stop whining about this. Check out the reserves of both sides, they're visibly much
Well that's not true. A 25 year old bowling 140 sconning someone in a tournament is actually life threatening. There would be grounds for a law suit.
Secondly there are youngsters looking for Academy and pro contracts and runs are important so there goes the livelihood part as well.
How do you feel about Mankad?
Do you mind who cheats? I mean if someone cheats against your side would it be less palatable or are you OK with it across the board?
Are you ambivalent about it or would you actively encourage it if someone could get away with it?
For example would you teach your kids to cheat?
Where do you personally draw the line? A list of things that you are not OK with would help establish how much of a dipstick you actually are. 😂
How is a 25 yo bowling 140 any more dangerous than a 19 yo bowling 140? In 2018, India had a 17 year old bowling 150. And another bowling 140-145.
Mankading is stupid. Totally against it. Its not cricket IMO.
I can get behind a level playing field for a tournament involving a couple of hundred cricketers if you can get behind a level playing field for stuff that affects millions of people (eg rooting out systemic racism against blacks and people of color) or billions (climate change denialism). Sounds reasonable no?
All I'm saying is maybe a level playing field is overrated. Like should we really punish the players born into a country we're age manipulation is commonplace? That would like punishing rich kids with higher taxes just for being born into wealth. Maybe we should let things be as is.
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Kriterion_BD wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 8:18 pm
Googly wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 7:56 pm
I'm not going to stop whining about this. Check out the reserves of both sides, they're visibly much younger. They look 18/19.
Level playing fields are overrated man. It's not like anyone's life or livelihood depends on it. Theoretically there is nothing stopping ZIM from playing Musakanda or Maruma in this tourney as 17 year Olds.
You often post thoughtful, incisive comments here but this right here, is not the retort you think it is. U19 tournament is for players aged 19 and younger. This is where the next generation gives the world a glimpse of their talent and potential. We don’t want to see 25 year olds there!! No, why would you want to see domestic veterans punching below thier weight, dominating school kids and giving the false impression that they are “the next big thing” ??
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The annoying thing about this age-cheating s**t, is that the main culprits are big cricketing nations where damn near every male plays some form of cricket, whether pro, semi-pro, schools, recreation etc. Pakistan have a very large pool of players to choose from, I would be surprised if there’s a Pakistan high school without cricket teams from U13-U19. So why bring pick overage domestic journeymen??
Zimbabwe, New Zealand for example historical have minuscule talent pools to work with, yet they aren’t populating their teams with pensioners. This tournament works on an honour-based system, the cricketing world deserves better. Do they want to win that bad?? Okay, your 30 year olds win the U19 WC, then what?? What is the endgame?? What’s the point?? Ruining it for everyone !!
Zimbabwe, New Zealand for example historical have minuscule talent pools to work with, yet they aren’t populating their teams with pensioners. This tournament works on an honour-based system, the cricketing world deserves better. Do they want to win that bad?? Okay, your 30 year olds win the U19 WC, then what?? What is the endgame?? What’s the point?? Ruining it for everyone !!
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btw wasnt afghanitan meant to be banned because of no female teams?
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ZIMDOGGY wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 10:02 pm
btw wasnt afghanitan meant to be banned because of no female teams?
Not 'banned' as such.
There is (still) a condition of Full Membership that you enter a women's team into all ICC pathway events. But then they haven't ever entered one ever since being given full membership in 2017, so clearly the ICC never cared, and gave them an unofficial exception.
There was renewed focus and attention on this in light of the Taliban turning up last year, but still no action taken. Afghanistan have not been meeting this clear criteria for five years already but everyone just turns a blind eye.
To be fair, Ireland are also flouting a membership criteria which states Full Members have to run a domestic First Class competition. Ireland haven't since 2019 and are now planning to shelve it long-term.
Imagine if Zimbabwe ever flouted a membership criteria 😂 We'd be banned quicker than you can say 'biased'. 😂
In theory, if the ICC ever decided to stick to its own rules and criteria, and stripped the Afghans of Test status, they could of course still play the other format of the game and would still be in World Cup's and U19's as an Associate. Associate membership criteria does explicitly allow an exemption on women's teams for 'cultural reasons'.
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secretzimbo wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 10:30 pm
ZIMDOGGY wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 10:02 pm
btw wasnt afghanitan meant to be banned because of no female teams?
Not 'banned' as such.
There is (still) a condition of Full Membership that you enter a women's team into all ICC pathway events. But then they haven't ever entered one ever since being given full membership in 2017, so clearly the ICC never cared, and gave them an unofficial exception.
There was renewed focus and attention on this in light of the Taliban turning up last year, but still no action taken. Afghanistan have not been meeting this clear criteria for five years already but everyone just turns a blind eye.
To be fair, Ireland are also flouting a membership criteria which states Full Members have to run a domestic First Class competition. Ireland haven't since 2019 and are now planning to shelve it long-term.
Imagine if Zimbabwe ever flouted a membership criteria 😂 We'd be banned quicker than you can say 'biased'. 😂
In theory, if the ICC ever decided to stick to its own rules and criteria, and stripped the Afghans of Test status, they could of course still play the other format of the game and would still be in World Cup's and U19's as an Associate. Associate membership criteria does explicitly allow an exemption on women's teams for 'cultural reasons'.
yeah get rid of them. f**k 'em.
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