Different dates and venues as to what was scheduled, but here we are.
Rocks V Mountaineers @ OH
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Shumba has an average of about 38 in the long format after 14 games. He has had a much better start than Wesley there who is about to get to 30 after 12 games.
What worries me the most is that Burl has played 25 FC games in total and he is 27. Those kids are 21 and they have played half that amount already. Burl gets injured regularly
What worries me the most is that Burl has played 25 FC games in total and he is 27. Those kids are 21 and they have played half that amount already. Burl gets injured regularly
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Williams played club cricket in Bulawayo yesterday. Signs that he is not done yet.
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zimfan1 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 07, 2021 8:15 am
Williams played club cricket in Bulawayo yesterday. Signs that he is not done yet.
Great news. Maybe he's just focusing on white-ball cricket? Or maybe he just requested a break. Hope he's back for Tuskers next week!
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TapsC2 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 07, 2021 7:07 am
Shumba has an average of about 38 in the long format after 14 games. He has had a much better start than Wesley there who is about to get to 30 after 12 games.
What worries me the most is that Burl has played 25 FC games in total and he is 27. Those kids are 21 and they have played half that amount already. Burl gets injured regularly
Think Burl is having a break rather than injured.
He has been in bubbles for most of the year and then went to the EPL. Not the worst thing to have a break and then return for the white ball stuff.
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Is it a case of the National guys do t get paid for extra Logan cup games so they don’t feel inclined to play unless they feel like it?
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ZIMDOGGY wrote: ↑Sun Nov 07, 2021 11:39 am
Is it a case of the National guys do t get paid for extra Logan cup games so they don’t feel inclined to play unless they feel like it?
Williams probably had a hunch about afghan test 😂😂.
If it's definetly off makes sense to concentrate on white ball stuff. Whether ZC is happy with him sitting out 3 4 day games is another matter
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ZIMDOGGY wrote: ↑Sun Nov 07, 2021 11:39 am
Is it a case of the National guys do t get paid for extra Logan cup games so they don’t feel inclined to play unless they feel like it?
I don't think they get paid extra, as the national guys are on a monthly salary regardless of the fixture list. Generally their contracts oblige them to play domestic matches nowadays but presumably (hopefully?) ZC are understanding of guys needs and happy for Burl to have a break after a busy year. Williams probably requested a break after the drama in Ireland.
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secretzimbo wrote: ↑Sun Nov 07, 2021 12:41 pm
ZIMDOGGY wrote: ↑Sun Nov 07, 2021 11:39 am
Is it a case of the National guys do t get paid for extra Logan cup games so they don’t feel inclined to play unless they feel like it?
I don't think they get paid extra, as the national guys are on a monthly salary regardless of the fixture list. Generally their contracts oblige them to play domestic matches nowadays but presumably (hopefully?) ZC are understanding of guys needs and happy for Burl to have a break after a busy year. Williams probably requested a break after the drama in Ireland.
Ireckon this explains why he and BT are/were always lethargic to play Logan or missed out completely and why Ervine (bar this weekend) seems to treat them like a net session
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A couple of milestones from this round.
Kasuza passed 3000 LC runs.
Ngavara passed 50 LC wickets.
A missed one from earlier, Chakabva has the most dismissals as a wicket keeper in LC. This stat is the most difficult to keep on top of. So many Zimbos(is this a negative term?) are keeper batsman & have played exclusively as batsman but taken catches in the field. So these catches are excluded from wicket keeping records. Cricinfo has seasonal records which include wicket keeping & I owe them greatly. I do tend to wait before updating as they seem to audit their stuff.
Now, a rant. This issue about senior players picking & choosing where & when they play gets up my nose, but with a caveat.
If Williams, for example, is hanging around the squad & able to give advice & mentor, that's fine. But if he's kicking his heels up drinking mojitos, not fine. If he's retired, then fine.
It seems to be unstated & not addressed that the senior players are inspirations & role models to the junior members of the squad. The comment was made that Ervine is the perfect person for Shumba to learn from. So is Williams. Now Makoni & Madande are making a mark. How much knowledge has Williams got that could be passed down. Also, when the senior player is playing, the opposition get to feed from this experience. And, if it still happens, the post day/match social gathering where all players used to talk nothing but cricket.
Burl seems to be a bloke who needs to manage his body. But he needs to step up. He is heir apparent to Raza & Williams but Shumba & Madhevere have overtaken him. Burl is 27 & still batting low in internationals. I'm sure he was being touted as an opener at one stage. Just having a break doesn't cut it with me. He would be the most senior member (in terms of international experience) in the Rhinos team. But, again, a caveat. If he's around the squad at games & training, I can cut him slack.
I'll also cut senior players slack if there are pay issues with your board.
But, really, you guys don't play that much to warrant mid season breaks. The work load of far too many players of other countries shows how much you can play. Sorry if I offend.
Kasuza passed 3000 LC runs.
Ngavara passed 50 LC wickets.
A missed one from earlier, Chakabva has the most dismissals as a wicket keeper in LC. This stat is the most difficult to keep on top of. So many Zimbos(is this a negative term?) are keeper batsman & have played exclusively as batsman but taken catches in the field. So these catches are excluded from wicket keeping records. Cricinfo has seasonal records which include wicket keeping & I owe them greatly. I do tend to wait before updating as they seem to audit their stuff.
Now, a rant. This issue about senior players picking & choosing where & when they play gets up my nose, but with a caveat.
If Williams, for example, is hanging around the squad & able to give advice & mentor, that's fine. But if he's kicking his heels up drinking mojitos, not fine. If he's retired, then fine.
It seems to be unstated & not addressed that the senior players are inspirations & role models to the junior members of the squad. The comment was made that Ervine is the perfect person for Shumba to learn from. So is Williams. Now Makoni & Madande are making a mark. How much knowledge has Williams got that could be passed down. Also, when the senior player is playing, the opposition get to feed from this experience. And, if it still happens, the post day/match social gathering where all players used to talk nothing but cricket.
Burl seems to be a bloke who needs to manage his body. But he needs to step up. He is heir apparent to Raza & Williams but Shumba & Madhevere have overtaken him. Burl is 27 & still batting low in internationals. I'm sure he was being touted as an opener at one stage. Just having a break doesn't cut it with me. He would be the most senior member (in terms of international experience) in the Rhinos team. But, again, a caveat. If he's around the squad at games & training, I can cut him slack.
I'll also cut senior players slack if there are pay issues with your board.
But, really, you guys don't play that much to warrant mid season breaks. The work load of far too many players of other countries shows how much you can play. Sorry if I offend.
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^^^^^
I 100% agree.
This is a problem we have been facing over the last decade. Does this happen in other test playing nations?
I 100% agree.
This is a problem we have been facing over the last decade. Does this happen in other test playing nations?
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TapsC2 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 08, 2021 6:43 am
^^^^^
I 100% agree.
This is a problem we have been facing over the last decade. Does this happen in other test playing nations?
It definitely happens in Oz. Seeing Steve Smith or Warner play for NSW is a once every couple years thing, and they don’t play BBL anymore last I checked (but I haven’t paid attention last two years).
But there is a genuine workload management issue with those guys.
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Totally agree with the points that national players need to be playing as much of our domestic cricket as possible, and tbf things have got better over the last season or two. Remember that season when there was only like 4 FC games in the entire year or something and loads of the guys (PJ, Jarvis and others) missed it for someones wedding. Then PJ missed the next one as well because he decided to go on holiday. :D
Seems better last season and this season so far. There was ZC people saying at the start of the 20-21 season that if you don't play Logan Cup then you won't play for the national team no matter how good you are. Probably a good thing. It's important we make domestic as strong as possible.
Williams missing out is understandable after the massive drama of Ireland. He probably requested permission for a break and its probably a god thing for all involved, being the hot-head that he is.
Burl has been playing cricket pretty much non-stop for the past 12 months, most of it in bubbles. This domestic season is also our busiest and longest for some years so again it makes sense to let him have a break now if he wishes. There's a lot of international and domestic cricket coming up in the next few months.
Seems better last season and this season so far. There was ZC people saying at the start of the 20-21 season that if you don't play Logan Cup then you won't play for the national team no matter how good you are. Probably a good thing. It's important we make domestic as strong as possible.
Williams missing out is understandable after the massive drama of Ireland. He probably requested permission for a break and its probably a god thing for all involved, being the hot-head that he is.
Burl has been playing cricket pretty much non-stop for the past 12 months, most of it in bubbles. This domestic season is also our busiest and longest for some years so again it makes sense to let him have a break now if he wishes. There's a lot of international and domestic cricket coming up in the next few months.
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secretzimbo wrote: ↑Sat Nov 06, 2021 2:59 pm
Notable Performances (50+ and 4fer+)
Sikandar Raza 226
Craig Ervine 183 & 55*
Tino Mutombodzi 122 & 54
Clive Madande 117*
Roy Kaia 104
Chamu Chibhabha 82
PJ Moor 81
Wesley Madhevere 73
Tendai Chatara 68
Wellington Masakadza 64*
Tony Munyonga 60
Tafadzwa Tsiga 52
Timycen Maruma 51
Kudzai Maunze 50
Ben Compton 50
Ernest Masuku 5-62
Tanaka Chivanga 5-81
Luke Jongwe 4-24
Tendai Chisoro 4-65
Vincent Masekesa 4-115
I would add the 21 year old opener Makoni to the list. He has a ton and 2*50s so far...definitely one to look out for
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Tinah09 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 08, 2021 9:35 am
secretzimbo wrote: ↑Sat Nov 06, 2021 2:59 pm
Notable Performances (50+ and 4fer+)
Sikandar Raza 226
Craig Ervine 183 & 55*
Tino Mutombodzi 122 & 54
Clive Madande 117*
Roy Kaia 104
Chamu Chibhabha 82
PJ Moor 81
Wesley Madhevere 73
Tendai Chatara 68
Wellington Masakadza 64*
Tony Munyonga 60
Tafadzwa Tsiga 52
Timycen Maruma 51
Kudzai Maunze 50
Ben Compton 50
Ernest Masuku 5-62
Tanaka Chivanga 5-81
Luke Jongwe 4-24
Tendai Chisoro 4-65
Vincent Masekesa 4-115
I would add the 21 year old opener Makoni to the list. He has a ton and 2*50s so far...definitely one to look out for
That list is for this round of fixtures only.
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secretzimbo wrote: ↑Mon Nov 08, 2021 9:05 am
Totally agree with the points that national players need to be playing as much of our domestic cricket as possible, and tbf things have got better over the last season or two. Remember that season when there was only like 4 FC games in the entire year or something and loads of the guys (PJ, Jarvis and others) missed it for someones wedding. Then PJ missed the next one as well because he decided to go on holiday. :D
Seems better last season and this season so far. There was ZC people saying at the start of the 20-21 season that if you don't play Logan Cup then you won't play for the national team no matter how good you are. Probably a good thing. It's important we make domestic as strong as possible.
Williams missing out is understandable after the massive drama of Ireland. He probably requested permission for a break and its probably a god thing for all involved, being the hot-head that he is.
Burl has been playing cricket pretty much non-stop for the past 12 months, most of it in bubbles. This domestic season is also our busiest and longest for some years so again it makes sense to let him have a break now if he wishes. There's a lot of international and domestic cricket coming up in the next few months.
Yeah that grated on my nerves and I vocalised that at the time, but then Googly came in with a good point, that they would have requested that time well in advance whent he schedule allowed it, and only organised it/scheduled it around that, and it was zcs fault for changing the schedule repeatedly.
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