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Pakistan touring Bangladesh after 6 years for 3 T20Is and 3 Test as part of ICC World Test Championship 2021–2023 circle. Pakistan are in red hot form after good show in T20 WC 2021 with Bangladesh facing worst time at present, after 5 consecutive defeats in Super 12 followed by defeat against Scotland in recently held T20 World Cup 2021 at UAE.

More negetive for Bangladesh as they will be without the services of their two biggest stars Shakib al Hasan & Tamim Iqbal due to injury and both will not be the part of the whole series. Positive for Bangladesh they have been phenomenal at home beating Australia and New Zealand in T20 and winning consecutive series for the first time. Bangladesh are expected to bring some young stars both in their T20 squad after debacle in the T20 World Cup and in Test squad as replacement of Tamim & Shakib.

Pakistan T20I Squad :

Babar Azam (c), Shadab Khan, Asif Ali, Fakhar Zaman, Haider Ali, Haris Rauf, Hasan Ali, Iftikhar Ahmed, Imad Wasim, Khushdil Shah, Mohammad Nawaz, Mohammad Rizwan, Mohammad Wasim, Sarfaraz Ahmed, Shaheen Afridi, Shahnawaz Dahani, Shoaib Malik, Usman Qadir.

Pakistan Test Squad :

Babar Azam (c), Mohammad Rizwan, Abdullah Shafique, Abid Ali, Azhar Ali, Bilal Asif, Faheem Ashraf, Fawad Alam, Hasan Ali, Imam-ul-Haq, Kamran Ghulam, Mohammad Abbas, Mohammad Nawaz, Naseem Shah, Nauman Ali, Sajid Khan, Sarfaraz Ahmed, Saud Shakeel, Shaheen Afridi, Zahid Mahmood

Bangladesh T20I Squad :

Mahmudullah (captain), Naim Sheikh, Najmul Hossain Shanto, Afif Hossain, Nurul Hasan Sohan, Shak Mahedi Hasan, Aminul Islam Biplob, Mustafizur Rahman, Shoriful Islam, Taskin Ahmed, Shamim Hossain, Nasum Ahmed, Saif Hassan, Yasir Ali Chowdhury, Shohidul Islam, Akbar Ali
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sam_ahm wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 10:04 am

Pakistan have a very very easy draw for this WTC. Their away series are against WI, Ban, SLN, with due respect thats relatively easy than playing the likes of Australia or South Africa away. They've already won 2 away tests and lost 1.

Home series against AUS, ENG and NZL, they can surely win most games at home.

I think Pakistan have a great chance of making it to the WTC finals this time.


Yeah no doubt, they look very good
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Pakistan's spin attack is weak. Their pace attack is good, but batting is still prone to collapse. They have an easy draw, but they still split the points with WI.

Regardless of the criticism, I think the WTC is pretty exciting even for the lower half of the teams. WI, SL, PAK, BAN can all go toe to toe with each other.
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sam_ahm wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 10:04 am

Pakistan have a very very easy draw for this WTC. Their away series are against WI, Ban, SLN, with due respect thats relatively easy than playing the likes of Australia or South Africa away. They've already won 2 away tests and lost 1.

Home series against AUS, ENG and NZL, they can surely win most games at home.

I think Pakistan have a great chance of making it to the WTC finals this time.


They will also have an extra advantage as many top players of these nations are going to pull out from playing in Pakistan
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Kriterion_BD wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 8:41 pm

Pakistan's spin attack is weak. Their pace attack is good, but batting is still prone to collapse. They have an easy draw, but they still split the points with WI.

Regardless of the criticism, I think the WTC is pretty exciting even for the lower half of the teams. WI, SL, PAK, BAN can all go toe to toe with each other.


BAN is long way behind WI, SL & PAK. One or two draws cant place BD along with these sides. They have failed to capitalize their momentum in the game whenever they were in driver seat against the best sides.If BD gets chance in WTC, then same should be the criteria for atleast Zimbabwe to be in WTC.BD beat England & Aus by preparing square turner, Zim can do the same against Asian sides if they prepare green top with seam & swing friendly condition.

ICC should have balanced idea in selection of test teams for WTC
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Rajkumar Sharma wrote: ↑Wed Dec 01, 2021 2:20 am


sam_ahm wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 10:04 am

Pakistan have a very very easy draw for this WTC. Their away series are against WI, Ban, SLN, with due respect thats relatively easy than playing the likes of Australia or South Africa away. They've already won 2 away tests and lost 1.

Home series against AUS, ENG and NZL, they can surely win most games at home.

I think Pakistan have a great chance of making it to the WTC finals this time.


They will also have an extra advantage as many top players of these nations are going to pull out from playing in Pakistan


Possible.
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Rajkumar Sharma wrote: ↑Wed Dec 01, 2021 4:41 am

BAN is long way behind WI, SL & PAK. One or two draws cant place BD along with these sides. They have failed to capitalize their momentum in the game whenever they were in driver seat against the best sides.If BD gets chance in WTC, then same should be the criteria for atleast Zimbabwe to be in WTC.BD beat England & Aus by preparing square turner, Zim can do the same against Asian sides if they prepare green top with seam & swing friendly condition.

ICC should have balanced idea in selection of test teams for WTC


India and Pakistan won't lose to ZIM on greentops. Beating lowest ranked Asian sides (BD or SL) on greentops isn't the same as beating top ranked non-Asian sides on spinning tracks (England, Australia). The teams that Bangladesh beat had batsmen like Root, Cook, Smith and Warner. Apart from cricketing factors, the importance of ENG/AUS is also far greater than lower ranked Asian sides.

I disagree. You're forgetting that BD beat a full Windies side 2-0 in 2018. The pitches may have been turning, but BAN still managed a 500 plus total during the series. The England series was played on turnng wickets, but they weren't minefields. BAN scored 300 in the third innings (a decent third innings score), and England were 100-0 in the fourth innings chase. You don't get to 100-0 on a minefield. It was poor batting and good bowling that cost them the match. You're also forgetting that BD drew a series 1-1 in Sri Lanka in 2017. Both of those Tests were played on standard wickets (SL scored 500+ in the first Test, and BD scored 450+ in the second).

The reason Bangladesh has struggled since the start of 2019 is largely due to the number of Tests missed by Tamim, Shakib, and Mushfiq in that span. When WTC was decided, BD had just drawn series against England, Australia, and Sri Lanka away. I think they had won more Tests against top sides than West Indies in that span.

Zimbabwe had a greentop vs Bangladesh last winter...Muzarabani took some wickets in that first hour, and then the pitch flattened out (greentops always flatten out) and BD won by a comfortable 200 run margin. New Zealand had a greentop for Bangladesh in 2017, and Bangladesh scored 600, although they lost they still lost the Test. Greentop won't help ZIM vs Pakistan or India. That leaves Sri Lanka alone and I think Lakmal, Chameera, Lahiru would be tough to face on a greento for ZIM.

If you take all the teams at full strength, you will see the gap between BD and WI/SL is very small. Slightly larger with PAK/SA.
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Kriterion_BD wrote: ↑Wed Dec 01, 2021 4:26 pm


Rajkumar Sharma wrote: ↑Wed Dec 01, 2021 4:41 am

BAN is long way behind WI, SL & PAK. One or two draws cant place BD along with these sides. They have failed to capitalize their momentum in the game whenever they were in driver seat against the best sides.If BD gets chance in WTC, then same should be the criteria for atleast Zimbabwe to be in WTC.BD beat England & Aus by preparing square turner, Zim can do the same against Asian sides if they prepare green top with seam & swing friendly condition.

ICC should have balanced idea in selection of test teams for WTC


India and Pakistan won't lose to ZIM on greentops. Beating lowest ranked Asian sides (BD or SL) on greentops isn't the same as beating top ranked non-Asian sides on spinning tracks (England, Australia). The teams that Bangladesh beat had batsmen like Root, Cook, Smith and Warner. Apart from cricketing factors, the importance of ENG/AUS is also far greater than lower ranked Asian sides.

I disagree. You're forgetting that BD beat a full Windies side 2-0 in 2018. The pitches may have been turning, but BAN still managed a 500 plus total during the series. The England series was played on turnng wickets, but they weren't minefields. BAN scored 300 in the third innings (a decent third innings score), and England were 100-0 in the fourth innings chase. You don't get to 100-0 on a minefield. It was poor batting and good bowling that cost them the match. You're also forgetting that BD drew a series 1-1 in Sri Lanka in 2017. Both of those Tests were played on standard wickets (SL scored 500+ in the first Test, and BD scored 450+ in the second).

The reason Bangladesh has struggled since the start of 2019 is largely due to the number of Tests missed by Tamim, Shakib, and Mushfiq in that span. When WTC was decided, BD had just drawn series against England, Australia, and Sri Lanka away. I think they had won more Tests against top sides than West Indies in that span.

Zimbabwe had a greentop vs Bangladesh last winter...Muzarabani took some wickets in that first hour, and then the pitch flattened out (greentops always flatten out) and BD won by a comfortable 200 run margin. New Zealand had a greentop for Bangladesh in 2017, and Bangladesh scored 600, although they lost they still lost the Test. Greentop won't help ZIM vs Pakistan or India. That leaves Sri Lanka alone and I think Lakmal, Chameera, Lahiru would be tough to face on a greento for ZIM.

If you take all the teams at full strength, you will see the gap between BD and WI/SL is very small. Slightly larger with PAK/SA.


India & Pakistan lost in Zimbabwe when they were great force in 90s, most recently they defeated Pak in test in 2013 and also Bangladesh in 2012 in green top with bowling seaming all day around and Brian Vitori & Jarvis was exceptional. Bangladesh defeated Aussies & England in rank turner and its the only best way BD can defeat these sides, recently we saw same thing in T20s, against NZ & Aus. Test in Zimbabwe was played in flat track, nothing was seen except few overs at the start of the game. At present Harare & Bulawayo track is more like Asian tracks where spinners getting enough purchase.

Bangladesh in full strength also have disappointed, achieved nothing except neck to neck fights against SL, & WI both home & away. Bangladesh beats non asian teams by building rank turners but the same Bangladesh gets defeated by the Asian sides as the pitch not only offers turn but also develops conditions of reverse swing. If Zim follows Bangladesh policy and change their tracks, they could hurt the asian sides spcly Afghans, BD, SL & also WI, can surely put a demand for a place in WTC

Bangladesh had their moment but they failed to capitalize those situations and got defeated against top sides.Bangladesh cricket haven't moved away from Tamim, Shakib & Mushfiq despite winning Under 19 world cups.Biggest reason for their poor show in test is not picking domestic performers. Shadman, Saif had 2 years now in Test played less but didnt looked to have that grill of test cricket in facing top bowlers.Mominul known for playing long innings is also struggling for long time now.
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Rajkumar Sharma wrote: ↑Thu Dec 02, 2021 3:46 am

India & Pakistan lost in Zimbabwe when they were great force in 90s, most recently they defeated Pak in test in 2013 and also Bangladesh in 2012 in green top with bowling seaming all day around and Brian Vitori & Jarvis was exceptional. Bangladesh defeated Aussies & England in rank turner and its the only best way BD can defeat these sides, recently we saw same thing in T20s, against NZ & Aus. Test in Zimbabwe was played in flat track, nothing was seen except few overs at the start of the game. At present Harare & Bulawayo track is more like Asian tracks where spinners getting enough purchase.


The 90s was nearly 20 years before the WTC was finalized in 2017. 20 years is too long a gap to decide those kinds of things. If Bangladesh are guilty of anything, its that they hit some form just at the right time, winning 2 Tests in the months leading up to the formation of the WTC.

At the end of the day, England and Australia are big teams and had big name players like Root, Cook, Smith, Warner, and Cummins when they lost to Bangladesh. You expect guys like Root or Smith and others to be able to bat even on turning wickets. But the wickets in the England and Australia series weren't that bad. They weren't flat, but teams weren't getting bowled out for under 150 runs either.


Bangladesh had their moment but they failed to capitalize those situations and got defeated against top sides.Bangladesh cricket haven't moved away from Tamim, Shakib & Mushfiq despite winning Under 19 world cups.Biggest reason for their poor show in test is not picking domestic performers. Shadman, Saif had 2 years now in Test played less but didnt looked to have that grill of test cricket in facing top bowlers.Mominul known for playing long innings is also struggling for long time now.


For the past few series, the selections have been much better. The problem has been Mushy, Tamim, Shakib have played very few Tests together in the past 3-4 years.

Saif is a domestic performer. He has a FC average of 44+ or something. The problem has been not picking guys with domestic performance + the tools to succeed at the top level.

We are moving in the right direction by bringing in Yasir Ali, Mahmudul Hasan Joy, and giving chances to guys like Shanto and Shadman.
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Kriterion_BD wrote: ↑Thu Dec 02, 2021 7:31 am


Rajkumar Sharma wrote: ↑Thu Dec 02, 2021 3:46 am

India & Pakistan lost in Zimbabwe when they were great force in 90s, most recently they defeated Pak in test in 2013 and also Bangladesh in 2012 in green top with bowling seaming all day around and Brian Vitori & Jarvis was exceptional. Bangladesh defeated Aussies & England in rank turner and its the only best way BD can defeat these sides, recently we saw same thing in T20s, against NZ & Aus. Test in Zimbabwe was played in flat track, nothing was seen except few overs at the start of the game. At present Harare & Bulawayo track is more like Asian tracks where spinners getting enough purchase.


The 90s was nearly 20 years before the WTC was finalized in 2017. 20 years is too long a gap to decide those kinds of things. If Bangladesh are guilty of anything, its that they hit some form just at the right time, winning 2 Tests in the months leading up to the formation of the WTC.

At the end of the day, England and Australia are big teams and had big name players like Root, Cook, Smith, Warner, and Cummins when they lost to Bangladesh. You expect guys like Root or Smith and others to be able to bat even on turning wickets. But the wickets in the England and Australia series weren't that bad. They weren't flat, but teams weren't getting bowled out for under 150 runs either.


Bangladesh had their moment but they failed to capitalize those situations and got defeated against top sides.Bangladesh cricket haven't moved away from Tamim, Shakib & Mushfiq despite winning Under 19 world cups.Biggest reason for their poor show in test is not picking domestic performers. Shadman, Saif had 2 years now in Test played less but didnt looked to have that grill of test cricket in facing top bowlers.Mominul known for playing long innings is also struggling for long time now.


For the past few series, the selections have been much better. The problem has been Mushy, Tamim, Shakib have played very few Tests together in the past 3-4 years.

Saif is a domestic performer. He has a FC average of 44+ or something. The problem has been not picking guys with domestic performance + the tools to succeed at the top level.

We are moving in the right direction by bringing in Yasir Ali, Mahmudul Hasan Joy, and giving chances to guys like Shanto and Shadman.


But why Raqibul, Naeem Islam, Taibur & Pinak has been ignored despite performing in domestic. Is Age an assue of seniors for their comeback ?
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Is Age an assue of seniors for their comeback ?

I think the answer is yes.

Looking at some of the regular names in the just finished NCL, I offer the following;

Tushar Imran, born 1983 test career 2002-2007

Junaid Siddique born 1987 test career 2008-12

Naeem Islam born 1986, test career 2008-11

Raqibul Hasan born 1987, test career 2008-11

Jahurul Islam born 1986, test career 2010-13

Anamul Haque born 1992, test career 2013-14

Nasir Hossain born 1991, test career 2011-17

Now all these players had their career finished by their mid-twenties. They had varying success in their careers, eg Tushar & Anamul end with test batting averages less than 10. Junaid, Naeem & Nasir all have registered a test century.

But after been given the opportunity & then discarded, these players have scored heavily at domestic level. There seems to be very little appreciation that a player can go back to grass roots, understand what is expected at the highest level & learn more about their own game to come back as a better player for a second chance. That second chance doesn't occur. Instead, Bangladesh expect the next big thing from the under 19's to come good. Or keep selecting players such as Mahmudullah, who ended with useful figures but was being called for to be axed. Mithun Ali probably deserved his call up but couldn't really deliver. Mossadek Hossain is different. He really hasn't had a decent run given eye issues & injury. He has wonderful stats but you don't trust him to put jam on his morning toast for fear he will damage himself with the butter knife.

From 2012/13-2019/20, Bangladesh created the Bangladesh Cricket League(BCL). It is a 4 team zonal competition with divisional teams amalgamated to create a higher standard FC comp. The NCL in the past has been referred to as "picnic cricket". But I don't know its standing now.

All of the above have healthy BCL careers, as well as NCL careers. In fact, around 2017 Tushar Imran was scoring so heavily a second chance almost came his way. I can recall him being selected in a squad but not getting a game.

The beginning of the BCL is important. Bowlers who dominate at NCL level seem to have to work harder at BCL. I refer to spinners like Sunjamul Islam, Enamul Haque & Saqlain Sajib. Maybe its the pitches, higher standard or time of year (usually March-May). Not too sure.

But when the BCL started there was a shift by the authorities regarding A tours. Between 2001-2011 Bangladesh A toured the West Indies, South Africa, Zimbabwe & England more than once, as well as Asia.

Since 2014/15, Bangladesh A or emerging players or the like have only played in Asia except for the South Africa/Zimbabwe tour of 2015/16. This hardly gives any player the opportunity to understand what is required to play overseas. Bangladesh is touring South Africa next year. we all know what happened last time they visited in 2017/18.

Next post we can discuss Bangladesh's discarded leg spinners.
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I agree with the above post, Bangladesh discard a lot of players way too early. Nasir Hosain for example never really deserved to get dropped, let alone forgotten.

I think the likes of Sohag Gazi are in the same boat now. May be one year down the line Mehdi Hasan will face the same fate. The two openers will be forgotten by the start of next year and Bangladesh will be looking for another U19 star to come through.
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Again pretty one sided to get scripted in Dhaka. Pakistan will declare around 600. Early wicket for pak pacers in cloudy & windy day, resistant from Mushfiq, Liton or Shakib, whole team will bundle out around 300. Follow on case will rise, hope Pak will go for batting instead of follow on and will set a target around 400 to 450.Pacers will damage in 4th / 5th day pitch and will lead Pak to 2-0 win.

Pak has to play more with Cyclone Jawad then Bangladesh in this test match.
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Pakistan have 2 options with half the match rained off. Go all guns blazing and try to add another 100 runs at 8-10 an over and declare with a 300 ish total. That gives about 50 overs to try and roll Bangladesh out by tea. Bat aggressive till stumps to set them a target of 300 to get from 98 overs on the final day.

The 2nd choice is to bat conservative pile up 4-500 runs or whatever they can get and accept a draw.

Regardless, I hope to see Bangladesh boys show some spine. Need to see some scores from Shanto and Mominul in particular.
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Bangladesh seem to be setting a new low everytime, surely they can't lose this but they are trying their best.
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That was the most bizarre batting display I've ever seen.

Bangladesh now following on, 213 runs behind.
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To keep WTC format interesting, ICC should include 7/8 teams or start religation system.

At present situation Bangladesh, Zimbabwe, Afghans & Irish should play each other in separate league
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Rajkumar Sharma wrote: ↑Wed Dec 08, 2021 4:48 am

To keep WTC format interesting, ICC should include 7/8 teams or start religation system.

At present situation Bangladesh, Zimbabwe, Afghans & Irish should play each other in separate league


Absolutely, the ICC is not giving a s**t about growing the game. They are just too scared of any big team getting relegated. Such a system will give good exposure to Zimbabwe, Ireland, Afghanistan as well.

7 teams in Elite Group (they are playing 6 series anyways) and 5 teams in plate group with promotion/relegation on 2 year basis will make sense.
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Pakistan pull off an incredible win, ensuring full points from this series is good for them.

Bangladesh have some serious thinking to do here. They've got New Zealand away up next.
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sam_ahm wrote: ↑Wed Dec 08, 2021 11:32 am

Pakistan pull off an incredible win, ensuring full points from this series is good for them.

Bangladesh have some serious thinking to do here. They've got New Zealand away up next.


Bangladesh more then 20 years in Test Cricket....

Still they needs serious thinking :o. There is too much negetivity in their players in playing the longest format. Selection is also done based on shorter formats, too much chance given to the undeserve players. Seniors who are dropped earlier and are now well established domestic players scoring plenty has been ignored because of age.

At least Zim was good in 2010 and later, where they declared they are not ready for Test. Zim, Irish & Afghans can be like Pak or present SA team if they haved played 20 years with such good infrastructure.BCB is in better condition then SLC and one or two level below PCB

Sorry Kriterion, they deserve harsh critisim now.
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This is the most gutless performance from Bangladesh that I have witnessed, and I've witnessed a lot. I can guarantee that 90% of the fans will walk out after this spineless display.

That being said I'm in that 10% of masochists who has nothing better to do.
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