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Mixed feelings overall from this tour of Europe especially with the anti climax end to one of our very best, Brendan Taylor's career. What a legend, a true patriot of Zim cricket. The fact that ZC have not planned any official event for him just shows how insensitive that lot is. Up till now, nothing from the director, his mate for many years, nothing from the board, nothing from the minister and this is such a disgrace on their part.

Anyway on to the tour. Eventually we got some wins in, however we should be very worried as it seems we are now at par with Scotland even, who seem to be on their way up and us stuck in limbo. Goes to show that the most organized boards will generally do better and grow. I will mention a few players here and my opinion on their performance on tour.

Richard Ngarava

This guy has really benefited from the game time. He was very erratic when I first saw him but on this tour really bowled well. He stuck to his good line and length, added variations and did not give away that boundary line every over like he used. Despite that horrific over yesterday, he has been our best bowler on this tour even defended 9 and 7 final overs which are really good signs for us at the death. Also he is only 23!

Milton Shumba

I bashed him when he scored 70 odd in about 250 balls vs SA 'A' but seeing how he can also play a match winning 66 of 29 balls then I say he is a very good batsmen who will score hundreds in both tests and ODIs. He has shown that he is very patient, plays each ball on merit, has shots to get him 1s and 2s and can also hit big sixes against decent pace bowling. Very smart cricketer who I think would be a good opener in ODIs and number 3 in tests. On this tour he has shown his qualities and by far played one of the best match winning run chases I have seen by Zimbabwe in a long time. He is only 20!

Wellington Masakadza

These are the type of players who I think have had to figure out things on their own without any coaching at all, just talent. I mentioned once that his tight line and length is actually crucial in limited overs cricket. He has shown he can open the bowling, bowl at the death and also can be called upon to stem the flow of runs. These days he is also taking wickets at crucial stages which then allows our strike bowlers to have the freedom to bowl attacking lines. Also one of our best fielders. Overall he had an excellent tour and he may want to work on his batting, that odd 15-20 runs at the death can help us in some situations. Still fairly young at 26.

Tadiwa Marumani

It appears the coaches just tell this guy to play to his strengths, that's it, regardless of the pitch, the size of the ground, match situation just go out there and bash us to a good start. This has made him very reckless. We have seen his talent and the ability to clear the rope but his shot selection has been shocking game after game and this tour really damaged his confidence, never passed 10 I think. I agree they have to persist with him but he needs to play the situations better and respect good balls and good bowlers who he will have to face as an opener. Facing good balls upfront means you need to have the ability to play strike rotating shots of the good ones, and pounce on the bad ones for boundaries. He needs coaching for this. Still hope as he is only 19.

Wes Madhevere

Again very talented, lacking a batting coach. Also one who wants to hit boundaries of every good delivery as we saw with most of his dismissals on tour. Only yesterday did I see him bat sensibly all tour and he had a decent score of 40 odd. Played the ones and the twos and punished the bad balls. I would largely attribute him batting like that to Shumba who was the calm head when they were batting. The ability is there, just now the mindset and temperate that needs fixing. They should be taught that a good start does not mean hitting every ball. Even Babar Azam would respect our good balls. I do not think we will see many hundreds from Wes, but a lot of 60s and 70s which is fine if the other batsmen contribute. Another 21 year old.

Dion Myers

Pretty poor tour for him, but as with Wes, they need to learn how to create big innings. Because they are so good at playing boundary shots, emphasis now should be on strike rotation. He will come good with time in the right environment.

Blessing Muzarabani

I would be a bit worried here because in as much as he picked up wickets, I really expected our best bowler to destroy the Irish and the Scotts in such bowler friendly conditions. Richard seems to now have a good area where he is now consistently unplayable and I think Blessing is not the finished article yet. With that height he really needs to be getting more bowler induced wickets, (LBW, Bowled, Caught behind). This was not his best tour and also one who is in need of a good coach not someone who just tells him to bowl aimlessly in the nests.

Luke Jongwe

Also had a decent tour, his bowling was top notch and you can almost trust him to get you a breakthrough. Only concern is that when his being hit in the over he goes big. That could be a mental issue which he needs to work on and he should have a go to delivery that does not result in a boundary in such situations.

Craig Ervine

Class batsmen. By far the batsmen of the tour. Not sure how long we will have him for but he is someone we really still need after BT retirement. He opened well yesterday, set the tone for the win and I think he captained well. He knew when to keep good bowlers on and off overall and he used Ngarava very well all tour. Should we stick with him as skipper in ODIs? I think we should. Brought us a series win after a long time.

Regis Chakabva

As a wicketkeeper I think he really is amongst the best in the world. Some very good catches this tour and generally very good behind the stumps. His ability to rotate the strike makes him a good opener. He just needs to play balls on heir merit also as he has had some very soft dismissals this tour. Also a very good leader and a very decent guy to have as your vice captain. He probably has 3 years in him, but we really need to start grooming his replacement.

Tendai Chatara

Looks like his best days are now behind him but he still has 3 years within him. T20 against top opposition is now out of his abilities but I think he is still useful in the ODIs as a 3rd seamer of a seam friendly track as he will need all the assistance he can get. He had a fairly decent tour, picked up a handful of wickets and I feel he should remain in and around the team.

Sean Williams

Decent tour as expected. Bowled well and batted well. Won us the second t20 pretty much and he is someone we definitely need in the next 2-3 years for his experience and winning mentality.

Sikander Raza

Pretty decent in the ODIs. Another useful all round performance from him this tour. He seemed a bit off in his demeanor when he played. Hope he is not thinking about retiring soon as he is very much needed in the 2-3 years to come.

Ryan Burl

Really not yet convinced on what his role is in the team. His leg spin is pretty awful at the moment, although he did well in the 1st T20 vs Ireland, then did well with the bat in game 2. In my opinion, he should be a middle order batsmen who bowls part time, batting at 5 or 6. He need a bit of time to settle in (Score 1s and 2s) and he also can hit hard. This means coming in at 7 or 8 is a waste, and coming in the top 3 is a bit too early.

Coaching Staff

This assignment should be their last. We have a team of players of are just starting their careers and they need a coach who can adapt to these needs. A high school teacher would struggle to teach primary school kids effectively as their needs and assumed knowledge is very different. These youngsters need a patient and caring coach. One who will formulate a game plan tailor made for the kind of players we have. I'd say rope in Dave Houghton now and give him 75% of the Taylor package!
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Agree with you on pretty much every front. A bit disappointed not to see any major contribution from Myers or Marumani. Sikander I reckon will retire soon, especially now that hes struggling to find a place in the team. Blessing I believe really suffered from the lack of game time and the niggle he had somehwere. I expect him to bounce back next series. Ngarava, Chatara and Jongwe along with Blessing should form a pretty tough pace unit that I havent seen from Zim in a while given that I havent followed them for too long. I think Wes will improve his off spin well enough to replace Sean whilst I agree with you on Burl. He really should be batting up a bit higher. All in alll, I feel like as a team, we leave somewhat alright despite Brendan Taylors retirement
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Problem with Marumani is mindset he goes for every ball, a good coach can make him understand how to play according to the merit of the ball. Dion Myers needed to spent time at the middle to get accustomed to the situation.He needs time to get adjusted in T20Is, at present he should be given more chance in Odis & Test then T20Is to get that confidence of run scoring back

Will still give Raza 2 years more and then decide his future if he doesn't announce his retirement. Zim cricket was all about Raza before ICC qualifiers, single handedly played some crucial innings and took crucial innings to pull Zimbabwe. His semi retirement after qualifiers and injury has made him underperformed. Raza is a quality 3 dimmensional player for Zimbabwe needs backing and support in his tough time.

Same goes with Chatara, his injury has made him loss quite amount of pace as a result his differant type of action is not giving an impact and batsman can easily guess his deliveries and that pacy indipper that gave him wickets. He needs a proper bowling coach and rehab to regain his confidence back.

Jongwe, Ngarava and other pacers needs to learn modern art of bowling in shorter format cricket i,e cutters, slower bouncers, knuckle bowl, wide yorkers and normal yorkers to make them loook effective at the end of the innings as they have been leaking lots of runs at the penultimate overs.
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Masakadza is 27 turning 28 but yes he is in that middle age bracket for this team and played well. Also spinners and batters can generally play longer/cricketers can play well into their 30s these days so age isn't so much of an issue anymore.
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Zimco wrote: ↑Mon Sep 20, 2021 1:48 pm

Masakadza is 27 turning 28 but yes he is in that middle age bracket for this team and played well. Also spinners and batters can generally play longer/cricketers can play well into their 30s these days so age isn't so much of an issue anymore.


yeah can easily play another decade if he was good enough
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Also on tour was Kamunhukamwe, Do we need this guy? Seems like he was just a tourist there. Otherwise his fielding is also terrible he didn't get on as a sub fielder even. I doubt if he will ever be selected again, if a guy who was just around the UK could get a start ahead of him.
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To be honest I think the tour might have ended Kamunhukamwe and even Tiripano. Didn't do much.. also having 19 year olds in the squad means they will most probably not field or carry refreshments or new bats etc. They were just sitting most of the time. Time to move on from Don and give K-Long a domestic run first
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CholeZimbo wrote: ↑Mon Sep 20, 2021 3:47 pm

Also on tour was Kamunhukamwe, Do we need this guy? Seems like he was just a tourist there. Otherwise his fielding is also terrible he didn't get on as a sub fielder even. I doubt if he will ever be selected again, if a guy who was just around the UK could get a start ahead of him.


Agreed, although K-long did have an injury at some point on the tour. As I understand it literally no one else was available (Marumani & Myers injured too) hence Innocent's random dash up the motorway for a game.
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My main post-tour thought is; Will Sean Williams still be a Zim player when we convene for the next tour/series?
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secretzimbo wrote: ↑Mon Sep 20, 2021 6:02 pm

My main post-tour thought is; Will Sean Williams still be a Zim player when we convene for the next tour/series?


I think Raza will but who knows with Williams. Lets face it, I'm not sure Williams knows what he is doing an hour in advance, the definition of flakey. Realistically he must be one of the most talented players in world cricket, hardly plays cricket apart from internationals, not a massive one to net, goes AWOL between series but has a great record. He would have been better than Flower if he had half of his work ethic.

BT was always a grafter, never out of the nets. But Willo has never bothered much, no idea how he got the level he has been at for the last few years, insane talent.

zimfan1 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 20, 2021 6:20 pm


secretzimbo wrote: ↑Mon Sep 20, 2021 6:02 pm

My main post-tour thought is; Will Sean Williams still be a Zim player when we convene for the next tour/series?


I think Raza will but who knows with Williams. Lets face it, I'm not sure Williams knows what he is doing an hour in advance, the definition of flakey. Realistically he must be one of the most talented players in world cricket, hardly plays cricket apart from internationals, not a massive one to net, goes AWOL between series but has a great record. He would have been better than Flower if he had half of his work ethic.

BT was always a grafter, never out of the nets. But Willo has never bothered much, no idea how he got the level he has been at for the last few years, insane talent.


Didn't willo quit for hockey at one point as well?
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zimfan1 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 20, 2021 6:20 pm

He would have been better than Flower if he had half of his work ethic.

BT was always a grafter, never out of the nets. But Willo has never bothered much, no idea how he got the level he has been at for the last few years, insane talent.


Exactly how I have thought about him many a times too.
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Nice touch from Raza and co. ZC really still shocking from them. Still hope they host a special event for him, invite former players, coaches etc.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CUDe8lmDLEN/
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CholeZimbo wrote: ↑Tue Sep 21, 2021 6:00 am

Nice touch from Raza and co. ZC really still shocking from them. Still hope they host a special event for him, invite former players, coaches etc.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CUDe8lmDLEN/


It might be the unpopular thing to say but to be honest you can't expect a farewell party at your job if you quit on social media and never come back. BT knew he was never going to get a colourful farewell with the way he announced his retirement. It was a big middle finger to them and he knows it. Even Williams who quits often handed in a resignation letter. Procedure is procedure unfortunately, whether we like the people in charge or not. This goes for any professional job out there in the world.

Even if Hami was there, you still have to put it in writing for legal reasons. There was paperwork

I really wish he had retired in December but I'm sure he has his reasons. Have we ever had a legend retire at home in front of a friendly crowd?
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CholeZimbo wrote: ↑Tue Sep 21, 2021 6:00 am

Nice touch from Raza and co. ZC really still shocking from them. Still hope they host a special event for him, invite former players, coaches etc.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CUDe8lmDLEN/


Looks like they had prepared that in advance.

ZC the very last people to know hahahaha
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TapsC2 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 21, 2021 6:34 am


CholeZimbo wrote: ↑Tue Sep 21, 2021 6:00 am

Nice touch from Raza and co. ZC really still shocking from them. Still hope they host a special event for him, invite former players, coaches etc.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CUDe8lmDLEN/


It might be the unpopular thing to say but to be honest you can't expect a farewell party at your job if you quit on social media and never come back. BT knew he was never going to get a colourful farewell with the way he announced his retirement. It was a big middle finger to them and he knows it. Even Williams who quits often handed in a resignation letter. Procedure is procedure unfortunately, whether we like the people in charge or not. This goes for any professional job out there in the world.

Even if Hami was there, you still have to put it in writing for legal reasons. There was paperwork

I really wish he had retired in December but I'm sure he has his reasons. Have we ever had a legend retire at home in front of a friendly crowd?


Yesish. He could have.

ZC could also have overcome themselves and done something decent.

Why is it that the admins can act how they like and the players need to be the grownups?

The employer can be unhappy with how an employee exits and still write something appropriate.
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Jemisi wrote: ↑Tue Sep 21, 2021 6:47 am

Yesish. He could have.

ZC could also have overcome themselves and done something decent.

Why is it that the admins can act how they like and the players need to be the grownups?

The employer can be unhappy with how an employee exits and still write something appropriate.


Yes, individuals come and go. They might be once in a generation players too, like Flower and Taylor. But they have a shelf life. But the organization is there for a longer term. You might have been wronged, but this is where as an organization you have the opportunity to show your magnanimity and be the model for future generations to aspire to get involved with you. What do you gain as an organization by scoring cheap points against one individual?
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TapsC2 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 21, 2021 6:34 am


CholeZimbo wrote: ↑Tue Sep 21, 2021 6:00 am

Nice touch from Raza and co. ZC really still shocking from them. Still hope they host a special event for him, invite former players, coaches etc.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CUDe8lmDLEN/


It might be the unpopular thing to say but to be honest you can't expect a farewell party at your job if you quit on social media and never come back. BT knew he was never going to get a colourful farewell with the way he announced his retirement. It was a big middle finger to them and he knows it. Even Williams who quits often handed in a resignation letter. Procedure is procedure unfortunately, whether we like the people in charge or not. This goes for any professional job out there in the world.

Even if Hami was there, you still have to put it in writing for legal reasons. There was paperwork

I really wish he had retired in December but I'm sure he has his reasons. Have we ever had a legend retire at home in front of a friendly crowd?


You come form a very authoritarian hierarchal mindset I’ve noticed which explains a few of your positions over the years. Maybe came from a strict school and household and Zimbabwean workplace that is ran like this?

A witnessed verbal resignation in HR is still considered a valid resignation in a lot/most(?) jurisdictions. Most companies management ethos today is collaborative and transparent in mindset. A breakdown in communication is seen as a failure of the organisation as a whole and communication and accountability is experienced both ways. Managers manage their employees and employees review their management. Two way accountability.
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ZIMDOGGY wrote: ↑Tue Sep 21, 2021 12:41 pm


TapsC2 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 21, 2021 6:34 am


CholeZimbo wrote: ↑Tue Sep 21, 2021 6:00 am

Nice touch from Raza and co. ZC really still shocking from them. Still hope they host a special event for him, invite former players, coaches etc.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CUDe8lmDLEN/


You come form a very authoritarian hierarchal mindset I’ve noticed which explains a few of your positions over the years. Maybe came from a strict school and household and Zimbabwean workplace that is ran like this?

A witnessed verbal resignation in HR is still considered a valid resignation in a lot/most(?) jurisdictions. Most companies management ethos today is collaborative and transparent in mindset. A breakdown in communication is seen as a failure of the organisation as a whole and communication and accountability is experienced both ways. Managers manage their employees and employees review their management. Two way accountability.


Maybe it's just being Zimbabwean 😂 I actually did my further education in all of the above. I fully understand it but what I realized this works for fluid and transparent organisations which have regular management changes. ZC is nothing like that and what you will find is a management and board who have been in the system for as long as Taylor has been there probably. In other words, not in Africa. All the rules are twisted to serve the top and not the whole organisation

You will find that Hami(he wouldn't have the authority to accept anyway) isn't part of HR otherwise Williams would have done the same thing. There is a reason why Williams went the route he took and why Jarvis did too In fact I'm pretty sure Jarvis probably had a far worse contract reduction than BT.

You will also find that there is a high chance that BT might be owed match fees or something. Maybe he still has a month or so to go on his contract. That I don't know, but if he unilaterally quit (probably a breach of contract) does he get paid his September salary etc? It's more than just announcing on twitter you quit. This is now about contracts and so on.

This is why Williams himself probably continued. You quit like that , good luck getting the money they owe you. Give 3 months notice and you still have to go to work for those 3 months. In other words Williams would have still had to play the domestic season, no way they would have said here is your money you can go.

Finally even though it's not their money, they will feel like BT owed them because they gave him 250k upfront and a long term contract. Things they actually never did before. Remember Sean Ervine trying to come back in 2015 and they didn't send him the money he asked for? All this was done for the World Cup which we didn't qualify for. A " failed experiment" in their eyes.

A salary reduction to about 10k now is half of what he was getting before but if you look regionally

https://www.sportingfree.com/cricket/so ... rs-salary/

At the current 10k (120k/year) only Rabada,Ngidi, Miller and QDK would be earning more than him (excluding match fees).

At his previous 20k only QDK would be earning more than him. Most probably this is what ZC were thinking in their mind as to why their offer was reasonable. Also considering there are a lot of kids they are trying to absorb into the central contract system as well.

To be honest BT is probably the only player in our system who deserves big money. I actually don't know how much Williams and Ervine and Raza are on but I would be assuming around that 10k mark which BT was allegedly being offered.

I honestly just try to bring out their perspective when I post. The real issue for me is not the player salaries, its how much non-players in ZC earn. That's where the real problem is. Nobody in admin should be getting salaries close to the players salaries that is a serious failure on their part. A stupid sense of entitlement
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My bad I messed up the quotation marks there 😂

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