Lady Chevrons begin a 4-match ODI series against Ireland @ HSC tomorrow!
They've been doing pretty well recently after the ICC gave ZC a bit of a beating earlier this year over the lack of funding given to the women's game. Good luck to the ladies and 'Skies' Chifo the coach. I don't know much about any of the current women's players but the coach is one of the good guys of the game - a Midlands stalwart who kept Kadoma and Jameson going during the real dark days.
This is prep for the World Cup Qualifiers that we are hosting next month - that should be good! I think they need at least 4 grounds for that so it'll be interesting to see where they choose. BAC seems to be in a very bad state so might not be an option unless they get their arses into gear soon.
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secretzimbo wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 8:27 am
Tinah09 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 1:15 am
Cricket is the ideal sport for these situations. They could have simply upped their testing regime, established a bio-bubble, no fans, stream 100%. Do they forsee a time when covid19 won't be a factor? You adapt and learn to live with it. Funny how some of these teams are evacuating as if they are fleeing the Taliban, fleeing back to their home counties which are themselves experiencing over 5k covid19 cases per day
I agree with the sentiment behind this theory but really it’s not the teams fault is it? If their governments are banning flights what choice do they have? It’s not really about cricket.
I agree 100%, not the players or teams fault. It may be down to govts and sport administrators formulating policy based on fear and hysteria
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Tinah09 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 1:15 am
Cricket is the ideal sport for these situations. They could have simply upped their testing regime, established a bio-bubble, no fans, stream 100%. Do they forsee a time when covid19 won't be a factor? You adapt and learn to live with it. Funny how some of these teams are evacuating as if they are fleeing the Taliban, fleeing back to their home counties which are themselves experiencing over 5k covid19 cases per day
That's a top post mate. Agree a 100%.
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Can't understand the reason for cancelling. Could easily have continued in a Bio Bubble.
This is daylight robbery to Thailand
This is daylight robbery to Thailand
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zimbos_05 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 11:22 pm
Can't understand the reason for cancelling. Could easily have continued in a Bio Bubble.
This is daylight robbery to Thailand
Have you been living under a rock? There’s no flights. Anywhere. Are you expecting these girls - some of whom from certain teams have other jobs back home - to risk being stranded here for months, in a country where their governments back home are telling them is apparently dangerous?
The way the west has treated SA and Zim is insane over this, but really considering that of course they had to cancel the cricket.
I don’t have any issue with the ICC cancelling the tournament or the teams wanting to leave.
The issue is how the ICC handled it and conspired to s**t all over Thailand.
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https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/six- ... 19-1291472
ESPN and Reuters a full 48-hours behind Zim Cricket Forums:
This is the place to be for news haha. 😂 😂
ESPN and Reuters a full 48-hours behind Zim Cricket Forums:
secretzimbo wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 10:25 am
At least 6 members of the SL ladies team have tested positive for Covid. Their match vs Windies today has been abandoned.
This is the place to be for news haha. 😂 😂
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secretzimbo wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 7:47 am
Have you been living under a rock? There’s no flights. Anywhere. Are you expecting these girls - some of whom from certain teams have other jobs back home - to risk being stranded here for months, in a country where their governments back home are telling them is apparently dangerous?
The way the west has treated SA and Zim is insane over this, but really considering that of course they had to cancel the cricket.
I don’t have any issue with the ICC cancelling the tournament or the teams wanting to leave.
The issue is how the ICC handled it and conspired to s**t all over Thailand.
But there was apparently enough flights to get all these teams home to their different countries so quickly?
I worked in travel for the last 5 years, so I'm quite familiar with the travel dramas, but let's not pretend like the countries couldn't have arranged flights for their teams when needed. Yes there is concern about the variant, and actions need to be taken, but this idea that you can't work around it is false.
Why are India still going ahead in SA? One thing for one and another for the other.
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zimbos_05 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 8:36 pm
But there was apparently enough flights to get all these teams home to their different countries so quickly?
No, there wasn't. Some of the teams remain in Zimbabwe at the time of this post. Sri Lanka are still here in Zimbabwe now, trying to find flights - even for the non-infected players. Netherlands only left early this morning, after great difficulty, and have ended up going via about 3 different connections including Addis and Muscat at huge expense to the KNCB. Thailand were struggling to get a flight initially - they may have done so now, not sure.
I worked in travel for the last 5 years, so I'm quite familiar with the travel dramas, but let's not pretend like the countries couldn't have arranged flights for their teams when needed.
Congratulations for your career, but not sure how it's relevant to this. It's a nice idea that you think bankrupt cricket boards like Thailand or Ireland can afford to charter planes at the click of their fingers though.
You know as well as me that the useless ICC are the last people that would help these teams.
Yes there is concern about the variant, and actions need to be taken, but this idea that you can't work around it is false.
I agree 1000%. Don't get me started on how we and SA have been treated. The whole thing is an absolute joke. Of course you can work around it.
But it's hard for the ICC, the teams or the players, to work around it when the west is vilifying this part of the world and people are treating us like lepers. All because SA happens to have a few good scientists.
I don't blame the players for wanting to leave when their governments back home are s***ting their pants and painting us as disease-riddled neanderthals. Racism if ever I saw it.
Why are India still going ahead in SA? One thing for one and another for the other.
I agree. The game is incredibly unequal - between genders, between top members and lower members, between members and associates.
But are you really comparing the Indian mens side with female associate semi-professional teams, many players of whom have careers outside of cricket back home and don't fancy being stuck the other side of the world in some supposed pandemic?
Come on, what did you expect? This is cricket we are talking about.
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secretzimbo wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 9:20 pm
No, there wasn't. Some of the teams remain in Zimbabwe at the time of this post. Sri Lanka are still here in Zimbabwe now, trying to find flights - even for the non-infected players. Netherlands only left early this morning, after great difficulty, and have ended up going via about 3 different connections including Addis and Muscat at huge expense to the KNCB. Thailand were struggling to get a flight initially - they may have done so now, not sure.
All the more reason to not just abandon. If you can't get out why not continue the tournament in a secure bio-bubble, especially if you are stuck in the country. Yes, countries have closed borders, but you make like we've not been living with this for two years and countries can't have exemptions. They are basically stuck doing nothing when they could continue playing the sport. As it stands, this variant is not been proven to be more deadly, and it's not like the variant does not exist in European or asian countries. Less movement = less chance of transmission too.
secretzimbo wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 9:20 pm
Congratulations for your career, but not sure how it's relevant to this. It's a nice idea that you think bankrupt cricket boards like Thailand or Ireland can afford to charter planes at the click of their fingers though.
You know as well as me that the useless ICC are the last people that would help these teams.
It's relevant because you unjustly had a go at me, but in reality I probably know a lot more about the industry than you think.
Not once did I mention the cricket boards or the ICC. I said the countries. Governments are not excluded to this situation and could easily have worked with the cricket boards to get their citizens home.
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zimbos_05 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 12:03 am
All the more reason to not just abandon. If you can't get out why not continue the tournament in a secure bio-bubble,
Well, half the teams did get out pretty instantly.
Yes, countries have closed borders, but you make like we've not been living with this for two years and countries can't have exemptions. They are basically stuck doing nothing when they could continue playing the sport. As it stands, this variant is not been proven to be more deadly, and it's not like the variant does not exist in European or asian countries. Less movement = less chance of transmission too.
I mean I agree. We agree on a lot here, in terms of they really shouldn't be reacting like this.
The variant is of course bollocks as is the virus largely, but hey, western governments and folk appear to think it's crisis time again and are hitting the panic button for whatever reason.
My point is that the ICC realistically has no choice and were forced to make the decision. None of the players wanted to stay. Obviously. They've got governments and family members back home telling them that southern Africa is a wretched disease-riddled place and they are all gonna die if they stay. Pretty much. And with flights closing and the potential for lengthy quarantines back home - you really think they'd wanna stay? You also keep ignoring the fact several of the teams are not full-time pros. Many of these girls have jobs back home. Are they gonna risk being stranded here, or worse, having to quarantine for several weeks when they get back? Ultimately some teams have ended up with that fate anyway. But you can understand them trying to scramble their way out as quick as possible. You're judging these teams as if they are mens Test sides with all the money and resources in the world.
The other we should note is that Sri Lanka ladies had at least 6 positive cases caught in the 'secure bio-bubble' and were likely to withdraw from the tournament (they forfeited their last game, even before the tournament was cancelled....) so there was a wider general loss of trust in the bio environment and the tournament compromised by one team having to withdraw.
It's relevant because you unjustly had a go at me, but in reality I probably know a lot more about the industry than you think.
You're so sensitive.
Not once did I mention the cricket boards or the ICC. I said the countries. Governments are not excluded to this situation and could easily have worked with the cricket boards to get their citizens home.
If you think the Dutch government or the Thai government has time, energy or f**ks to give about their semi-professional women's cricket teams right now then you are, I'm afraid, rather naive. The cricketers will have got no more or no less assistance than any other citizens from their countries.
Most people on this forum don't even care about this thread or the situation, let alone governments lol. I somehow fancy governments to have bigger fish to fry...
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secretzimbo wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 11:38 am
Well, half the teams did get out pretty instantly.
The point is though, it could have continued if it was better managed.
secretzimbo wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 11:38 am
I mean I agree. We agree on a lot here, in terms of they really shouldn't be reacting like this.
The variant is of course bollocks as is the virus largely, but hey, western governments and folk appear to think it's crisis time again and are hitting the panic button for whatever reason.
My point is that the ICC realistically has no choice and were forced to make the decision. None of the players wanted to stay. Obviously. They've got governments and family members back home telling them that southern Africa is a wretched disease-riddled place and they are all gonna die if they stay. Pretty much. And with flights closing and the potential for lengthy quarantines back home - you really think they'd wanna stay? You also keep ignoring the fact several of the teams are not full-time pros. Many of these girls have jobs back home. Are they gonna risk being stranded here, or worse, having to quarantine for several weeks when they get back? Ultimately some teams have ended up with that fate anyway. But you can understand them trying to scramble their way out as quick as possible. You're judging these teams as if they are mens Test sides with all the money and resources in the world.
The other we should note is that Sri Lanka ladies had at least 6 positive cases caught in the 'secure bio-bubble' and were likely to withdraw from the tournament (they forfeited their last game, even before the tournament was cancelled....) so there was a wider general loss of trust in the bio environment and the tournament compromised by one team having to withdraw.
We don't agree on the virus being bollocks. I've just proven that there was a choice. You talk as if you had a chat with all the players and staff and got their opinions personally. I'm not saying some players didn't want to leave or so on, but the point I'm making is that a better managed event could have continued. Most of the time, players make the decision based on the confidence they get from the organisers and those in charge.
I'm not ignoring the fact that they are part time pros. You are making so many wild assumptions about me and claiming that I am assuming this and that when I am completely not. You are also adding in many words on things I have not said and claiming that I am saying that. Not really sure why you are having a go at me. I made a point and it was not a random point. It was founded in thought and was put forward as, "this could have been done".
secretzimbo wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 11:38 am
You're so sensitive.
No. I stand up for myself. There's a difference.
secretzimbo wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 11:38 am
If you think the Dutch government or the Thai government has time, energy or f**ks to give about their semi-professional women's cricket teams right now then you are, I'm afraid, rather naive. The cricketers will have got no more or no less assistance than any other citizens from their countries.
Most people on this forum don't even care about this thread or the situation, let alone governments lol. I somehow fancy governments to have bigger fish to fry...
Not every government is ZANU PF. The assistance most citizens got have been charter or repatriation flights. Some government would actually get s**t done.
Your whole thesis is based on assumption and generalisation. I understand the points you are making, but because you resort to certain other ways to make them, it loses impact.
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zimbos_05 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 9:12 pm
We don't agree on the virus being bollocks. I've just proven that there was a choice. You talk as if you had a chat with all the players and staff and got their opinions personally. I'm not saying some players didn't want to leave or so on, but the point I'm making is that a better managed event could have continued.
Actually it is common knowledge in the cricket circles here and on the groups over the weekend that SL had already submitted their withdrawal notice before the ICC cancelled the tournament. Several teams including Ireland, the USA and the West Indies teams had made it clear to the ICC that they did not want to continue. The ICC hand was forced - by over-reacting western governments and this ridiculous fear people have. And so subsequently by the teams and players and boards. Nobody wanted to continue with the tournament other than Zimbabwe and Thailand presumably.
Most of the time, players make the decision based on the confidence they get from the organisers and those in charge.
And not their governments back home, their media back home, their families and friends back home?
Also, right back at yer; 'you talk as if you had a chat with all the players and staff and got their opinions personally' 😂 😂 😂 😂
I'm not ignoring the fact that they are part time pros. You are making so many wild assumptions about me and claiming that I am assuming this and that when I am completely not. You are also adding in many words on things I have not said and claiming that I am saying that. Not really sure why you are having a go at me. I made a point and it was not a random point. It was founded in thought and was put forward as, "this could have been done".
No. I stand up for myself. There's a difference.
Jeeez. Honestly stop trying to be a victim or something. I'm not 'having a go at you' 😂
Not every government is ZANU PF. The assistance most citizens got have been charter or repatriation flights. Some government would actually get s**t done.
Your whole thesis is based on assumption and generalisation. I understand the points you are making, but because you resort to certain other ways to make them, it loses impact.
Have their been lots of repatriation flights from Zimbabwe to places like Jamaica, Thailand, Netherlands, Sri Lanka from Harare this week?
Anyway,
You seem to have a pretty naive view of how things work in the world but it's quite cute and endearing so I'll leave you with it shamwari
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secretzimbo wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 10:04 pm
Actually it is common knowledge in the cricket circles here and on the groups over the weekend that SL had already submitted their withdrawal notice before the ICC cancelled the tournament. Several teams including Ireland, the USA and the West Indies teams had made it clear to the ICC that they did not want to continue. The ICC hand was forced - by over-reacting western governments and this ridiculous fear people have. And so subsequently by the teams and players and boards. Nobody wanted to continue with the tournament other than Zimbabwe and Thailand presumably.
I'm not denying the fear. It's evident and it's clear. It most cases it's justified. Over-ramped at the moment, but I'm getting into the whole Africa vs The West saga. All I said was I don't see why this could not be completed in a secure bio-bubble if coordinated properly. That's it.
secretzimbo wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 10:04 pm
And not their governments back home, their media back home, their families and friends back home?
Also, right back at yer; 'you talk as if you had a chat with all the players and staff and got their opinions personally' 😂 😂 😂 😂
Never once spoke like I have had chats with the players, but as someone who has been in the inner circle of big sports teams, I have some idea of how they work. Just expressed my opinion on the matter and how "they can work", no what should happen. You were the one who made assumptions and statements.
secretzimbo wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 10:04 pm
Jeeez. Honestly stop trying to be a victim or something. I'm not 'having a go at you' 😂
I'm not playing the victim, or even going down that angle. You called me out for living under a rock and not knowing anything, and you expect me to sit here and allow you to call me that. Your words will have consequences, and either you change that or I'll call you out for it. You've abused some to no end on this forum, but don't ever try that with me.
secretzimbo wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 10:04 pm
Have their been lots of repatriation flights from Zimbabwe to places like Jamaica, Thailand, Netherlands, Sri Lanka from Harare this week?
Anyway,
You seem to have a pretty naive view of how things work in the world but it's quite cute and endearing so I'll leave you with it shamwari
There you go again, being condescending, and then if I call you out for it, you will say, "yOuR"E sO SEnsiTIvE"
Repatriation flights by their very nature are chartered flights to get a group of individuals home from a specific country. It's why SAA who has never ever flown to Brisbane flew here last year. Repatriation flights are not commercial flights.
You've been carrying on like the high and mighty of this forum of late. Best check yourself.
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zimbos_05 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 01, 2021 1:23 am
I'm not denying the fear. It's evident and it's clear. It most cases it's justified. Over-ramped at the moment, but I'm getting into the whole Africa vs The West saga. All I said was I don't see why this could not be completed in a secure bio-bubble if coordinated properly. That's it.
That's cool. And all I am saying is that I don't think it could be completed in a secure bio-bubble considering half the teams wanted to withdraw, the players wanted to go home, flight bans were coming into force and the western world was hitting the panic button. I think I'm being a bit more realistic whereas you are being a bit more hopeful, but it's okay that we disagree.
I'm not playing the victim, or even going down that angle. You called me out for living under a rock and not knowing anything, and you expect me to sit here and allow you to call me that. Your words will have consequences, and either you change that or I'll call you out for it. You've abused some to no end on this forum, but don't ever try that with me.
I'm pretty sure I've only ever abused 1 person on here, and he absolutely deserved it and more. I'm not 'abusing' you ffs! And I have absolutely no intention of doing so. I think you need to take things a little less personally because I really have no problem with you other than some of the things you've said in this thread which I disagree with. Chill out, it's an internet forum.
Repatriation flights by their very nature are chartered flights to get a group of individuals home from a specific country. It's why SAA who has never ever flown to Brisbane flew here last year. Repatriation flights are not commercial flights.
Now who's being condescending 😂 Anyway, you didn't answer my question.
You've been carrying on like the high and mighty of this forum of late. Best check yourself.
It's a good job I don't take things so personally eh?
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secretzimbo wrote: ↑Wed Dec 01, 2021 8:25 am
I'm pretty sure I've only ever abused 1 person on here, and he absolutely deserved it and more. I'm not 'abusing' you ffs! And I have absolutely no intention of doing so. I think you need to take things a little less personally because I really have no problem with you other than some of the things you've said in this thread which I disagree with. Chill out, it's an internet forum.
Look, I'm not going to get into it all. I had an opinion. I expressed it. You called me out when you likened me to living under a rock.
I've never once been condescending to you or rude to you. I'm telling you now, If I took it a little personally, its because because when you said that, it questioned my knowledge and intelligence, and personally I think I know a lot more about the travel industry than most on here. I've also got 3 degrees.
I'm not going to get into an abusive swear match like you do with Rajkumar (I think the T20 WC thread was valid), but I certainly won't have someone call me out, as I'm sure you would.
Next time you want to disagree, do so, but no need to go on the offensive with name calling.
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