Raza to play for Biratnagar warriors (Nepal EPL t-20)

Aside from any other issues I doubt there's a player around who doesn't want to string a couple of really good T20 innings together or take some wickets and possibly pick up a lucrative T20 gig somewhere, it's where cricket is headed.

ZC are taking that away from them completely. If you want to give a group of inexperienced guys exposure then A team cricket is surely the place for that?

Anyone who thinks international T20's are "meaningless" is part of the problem, and if that's really their opinion why play any domestic T20's at all? That would leave one format for our players because we don't play too many tests either.

Why play 4 day cricket if we play so few tests?

The thought process is that it's a case of "we've tolerated your s**t for years and now we believe we have found replacements so we can finally teach you a lesson."

First prize is a team that doesn't lose by much, somehow miraculously wins the odd game without having much preparation and is prepared to gratefully play for peanuts and wait months for their money.

Unfortunately if players don't complain then the money is never forthcoming. The players all complain amongst themselves, the snitches report to ZC hoping to curry favor, and eventually someone tries to rally the troops and he's branded a trouble maker. That's been the case for years, it's become a bit more subtle but it's what happens.

zimbos_05 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 3:16 am

You mention that you have no idea, but then take a stance on it defending Rajput.

Not defending Rajput at all. I have also said this by the way, when that news came out:

CrimsonAvenger wrote: ↑Thu Aug 26, 2021 9:21 am

Well, we can trust Sean to be open with his thoughts and it looks pretty clear then. ZC was anyway about to review the coaching setup, so replace Rajput and everything back to normal, surely? I mean - this is a simple thing to fix for ZC if they are serious about it (made complicated by the public outburst now, but still...)

zimbos_05 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 3:16 am

If anything, Rajputs record as Zim coach is enough to be fired.

No arguments there. That is irrespective of this fiasco. Not just Rajput but everyone in the coaching staff, some of whom are there from pre-Rajput era.

zimbos_05 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 3:16 am

I think it was clear from Willos initial retirement how he has affected morale. He clearly said that the manager has disenfranchised players and created a disharmonious environment.

Despite that, what I am saying is that we haven't heard Rajput's side of this story, that is all. And it is not ideal. And we run the risk of the real issue to be brushed under the carpet (which I'm sure will anyway happen). ZC and its folks could very well hide behind the Rajput fiasco and continue on their merry ways.

Rajkumar Sharma wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 5:28 am

Top teams from subcontinent sides once launched T20 league for their development both in game as well as money. Now the associate teams like Canada, Nepal, UAE, USA are starting their own league bringing foreign players to develop as cricket nations.

Zimbabwe should try to launch their own T20 league by offering foreign players, once ZC had Stanbic Bank T20 that included star foreign players, they should rethink about this concept as the T20 league at present playing major role in developing talents, an unknown quanity becoming an overnight star. T20 leagues now are definately future for growth of any cricket nations.

Always clueless to the Zimbabwean cricket scene.

you really should know more by now given how long youve been trolling here.

We are still living with the legacy of debt from the stanbic thing. For someone to suggest we try and do that again is absolutely absurd and completely clueless with regards to Zimbabwean cricket and Zimbabwe in general.

Even if it was a raging success and profit in the past (which it wasn’t) - who the hell in terms of major sponsors would go anywhere near ZC these days?

We have so many fundamental problems in our system and we desperately to fix them first. Some random casual fan from the other side of the world who is used to the glamour of the IPL might be attracted by the bright lights of such a ‘competition’ - but we can’t even do the basics right here in Zimbabwe.

We have dozens of school cricket grounds laying abandoned. Half of our senior club teams don’t have their own grounds or facilities or equipment.

Only half a dozen high schools bother with cricket at all.

Participation is lower than 20 years ago.

We have no money,

Our club system is f***ed

Our franchise system is limited and of low quality

Get the basics right first.

What i also found absurd is you have to pay every player who plays club cricket.

The random whos playing his first game to fill in gets paid 5 bucks or something to play?

everyehere else the players themselves pay fees

ZIMDOGGY wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 10:54 am

What i also found absurd is you have to pay every player who plays club cricket.

The random whos playing his first game to fill in gets paid 5 bucks or something to play?

everyehere else the players themselves pay fees

Agreed, but you have to consider the wider economic situation. Some (a lot?) of club players can’t afford to pay fees or subs, or if they have to then they simply wouldn’t play and would not bother with cricket. There are plenty of club players who definitely can afford it but then there are those that can’t.

It is a stupid system but again really there’s no alternative in Zim. Similarly how are some of these guys going to buy equipment or even afford to travel to the ground if they aren’t getting a small stipend? Especially youngsters.

We have too few people playing club cricket already so if they are getting a few dollars for playing then we can’t really remove that.

This problem is deeper than ZC unfortunately.

Rajkumar Sharma wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 11:15 am

Nepal GDP in 2021, 2.89% Zimbabwe 3.9 %. Zimbabwe has got mining, tobacco industries with quite sound agriculture and foresty

Zimbabwe such a peaceful nation

:mrgreen:

Rajkumar Sharma wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 11:15 am

TapsC2 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 10:02 am

Rajkumar Sharma wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 5:28 am

Top teams from subcontinent sides once launched T20 league for their development both in game as well as money. Now the associate teams like Canada, Nepal, UAE, USA are starting their own league bringing foreign players to develop as cricket nations.

Zimbabwe should try to launch their own T20 league by offering foreign players, once ZC had Stanbic Bank T20 that included star foreign players, they should rethink about this concept as the T20 league at present playing major role in developing talents, an unknown quanity becoming an overnight star. T20 leagues now are definately future for growth of any cricket nations.

Part of the huge debt we had came from that stanbic T20. We just simply can't afford it. The local economy is dead. You need big sponsors to do that, not the board. It's a problem people ignore but it has contributed heavily to our demise. "Franchise" cricket is technically supposed to have created a financial model which need minimal input from ZC but there just simply isn't enough money around. ZC has to pay for everything. Even the NPL

Nepal GDP in 2021, 2.89% Zimbabwe 3.9 %. Zimbabwe has got mining, tobacco industries with quite sound agriculture and foresty whereas Nepal has got nothing except tourism still they can arrange this sort of tournaments with nothing big achievement in the game. Same goes with war hit Afghans, with zero peace they were able to conduct quite glamourous T20 tournament. They cant bring high cost foreign players but still they have brought quite familar foreign players who takes part in T20 tournaments worldwide

Its surprising Zimbabwe such a peaceful nation no such threat of terrorism exist, a proud nation in cricket with all their achievement still the board cant arrange a quality domestic T20 tournament by offering foreign players. Govt has zero role in developing the game. Its not the debt its lack of administration that costing this team in developing the game

Nepal dont have the costs. They dont have high salaried professionals.

Also they get sponsors.

Sponsors in zimbabwe are very aware of ZCs reputation and dont give them money.

In the 2018 coup attempt, Ellman brown and the other guy had sponsors they planned to bring along.

Credible sponsors wont deal with ZC.

Rajkumar Sharma wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 11:42 am

If ZC has got financial problems they should seat with Kenya Cricket, Namibia and any African associate nation and arrange a quality domestic T20 tournament, which can benefit all the nations like upcomming European T20 League set up by the boards of Ireland, Netherlands and Scotland

T20 league are future for development of the game and arranging it in combined way could develop a strong bond between the boards

Have you ever heard the phrase; learn to walk before you run?

secretzimbo wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 11:09 am

ZIMDOGGY wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 10:54 am

What i also found absurd is you have to pay every player who plays club cricket.

The random whos playing his first game to fill in gets paid 5 bucks or something to play?

everyehere else the players themselves pay fees

Agreed, but you have to consider the wider economic situation. Some (a lot?) of club players can’t afford to pay fees or subs, or if they have to then they simply wouldn’t play and would not bother with cricket. There are plenty of club players who definitely can afford it but then there are those that can’t.

It is a stupid system but again really there’s no alternative in Zim. Similarly how are some of these guys going to buy equipment or even afford to travel to the ground if they aren’t getting a small stipend? Especially youngsters.

We have too few people playing club cricket already so if they are getting a few dollars for playing then we can’t really remove that.

This problem is deeper than ZC unfortunately.

Then you'd think they would accept Old Georgian's request to join Vigne Cup? They also have a really nice ground. What they actually don't want to risk is a few whites dominating the club scene, that would be unbearable 😂 They need Takashinga to remain at the top of the s**t pile.

If ZC can't get a tiny amount of corporate sponsorship to improve club cricket then you gotta wonder 😂

They'd accept the money directly to disburse as they see fit but it would be unacceptable for a corporate to manage their own sponsorship directly.

I see there's also a cricket pitch being laid at Wingate Golf Course, I think Doug Marillier may be behind it. It will be for a social league I'm sure.

Rajkumar Sharma wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 11:42 am

If ZC has got financial problems they should seat with Kenya Cricket, Namibia and any African associate nation and arrange a quality domestic T20 tournament, which can benefit all the nations like upcomming European T20 League set up by the boards of Ireland, Netherlands and Scotland

T20 league are future for development of the game and arranging it in combined way could develop a strong bond between the boards

I’m sure playing Kenyan domestic sides and forming a bond with their board will really bolster Zim Cricket Uleh :roll:

Googly wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 1:13 pm

secretzimbo wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 11:09 am

ZIMDOGGY wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 10:54 am

What i also found absurd is you have to pay every player who plays club cricket.

The random whos playing his first game to fill in gets paid 5 bucks or something to play?

everyehere else the players themselves pay fees

Agreed, but you have to consider the wider economic situation. Some (a lot?) of club players can’t afford to pay fees or subs, or if they have to then they simply wouldn’t play and would not bother with cricket. There are plenty of club players who definitely can afford it but then there are those that can’t.

It is a stupid system but again really there’s no alternative in Zim. Similarly how are some of these guys going to buy equipment or even afford to travel to the ground if they aren’t getting a small stipend? Especially youngsters.

We have too few people playing club cricket already so if they are getting a few dollars for playing then we can’t really remove that.

This problem is deeper than ZC unfortunately.

Then you'd think they would accept Old Georgian's request to join Vigne Cup? They also have a really nice ground. What they actually don't want to risk is a few whites dominating the club scene, that would be unbearable 😂 They need Takashinga to remain at the top of the s**t pile.

If ZC can't get a tiny amount of corporate sponsorship to improve club cricket then you gotta wonder 😂

They'd accept the money directly to disburse as they see fit but it would be unacceptable for a corporate to manage their own sponsorship directly.

I see there's also a cricket pitch being laid at Wingate Golf Course, I think Doug Marillier may be behind it. It will be for a social league I'm sure.

Haha I’ve posted the exact same thing about OG and the Vigne cup quite a few times on the forum. It is ridiculous that they are kept out of it.

Regarding Wingate I think it’s a pretty small ground and is going to be some sort of training facility for an academy I believe.

Honestly if we had a competent board and administration (we don’t. So this whole conversation is futile really) , the focus should be on restoring cricket to the schools that already have some facilities. That should be number 1 priority. We don’t need 1000 schools playing it and we don’t need to be taking the game to random peasant villages or whatever. There’s existing schools with cricketing heritage and overgrown abandoned facilities. Sort them out and have maybe 15 or 20 schools playing regular cricket on their facilities. Start with the basics.

A good competitive school system, a proper club system (continue the NPL and try to strengthen and lengthen the provincial club comps) should be the priority at the moment.

People who think the priority should be on some glamorous ZIMSMASH T20 SUPER DOOPER ENTERTAINMENT SHOW LEAGUE with 100 foreign stars and fireworks are living in fantasy land.

While we’re at it I’ll have a mansion, a super car, a foreign passport, a private jet and 100 hookers please.