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2021 Word Test Championship Final

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Looks like a good contest brewing. If they get 250 overs they might be able to get a result here.
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New Zealand are now confirmed as the best cricketing nation in the world, a truly remarkable achievement and one I never thought I would live to see.
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Some of the nicest guys in that team. Deserve all their success. Kane, Southee, CdG have become some of my favorites over time. Latham, Wagner, Watling and others are dogged contributors too. How NZ selectors supported and developed Nicholls into a test player should also be a case study in itself.
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Fantastic achievement! Sensational. 8 wicket win is a good solid thumping.
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New Zealand are deserving champions, they have beaten India three tests in a row now. I guess the only thing missing from the resume is dominance in sub-continent conditions but no other team is exactly excelling in foreign conditions either.
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eugene wrote: ↑Thu Jun 24, 2021 5:23 pm

New Zealand are deserving champions, they have beaten India three tests in a row now. I guess the only thing missing from the resume is dominance in sub-continent conditions but no other team is exactly excelling in foreign conditions either.


Getting flogged 3-0 in Australia doesn't scream best in the world, and as you said they haven't beaten India in India either.

I'd say NZ are much like India where they are almost unbeatable in their own conditions, and very competitive anywhere in the world. I'd say the conditions in this Test suited NZ more so, I'd actually back India to beat NZ if the test was played in Australia they seem to have mastered the art of playing here.

Well done to NZ though, I don't think anyone has an issue with them winning, they're a very likeable side and are experiencing a golden age of depth I've never seen before for NZ. Credit to BMac who started the revolution of NZ cricket when he took over as captain and well done to KW for building on that and taking it to new heights.

If this side is going to be remembered as one of the best test teams, they really need a series win in either Aus or India for me, even a series win in South Africa would be good, I don't think they've won there before?
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One can find flaws with NZ's record, but I don't think you can find another test team that is clearly better. Australia could not beat England in England or India at home, NZ has done both.
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jaybro wrote: ↑Thu Jun 24, 2021 11:43 pm


eugene wrote: ↑Thu Jun 24, 2021 5:23 pm

New Zealand are deserving champions, they have beaten India three tests in a row now. I guess the only thing missing from the resume is dominance in sub-continent conditions but no other team is exactly excelling in foreign conditions either.


Getting flogged 3-0 in Australia doesn't scream best in the world, and as you said they haven't beaten India in India either.

I'd say NZ are much like India where they are almost unbeatable in their own conditions, and very competitive anywhere in the world. I'd say the conditions in this Test suited NZ more so, I'd actually back India to beat NZ if the test was played in Australia they seem to have mastered the art of playing here.

Well done to NZ though, I don't think anyone has an issue with them winning, they're a very likeable side and are experiencing a golden age of depth I've never seen before for NZ. Credit to BMac who started the revolution of NZ cricket when he took over as captain and well done to KW for building on that and taking it to new heights.

If this side is going to be remembered as one of the best test teams, they really need a series win in either Aus or India for me, even a series win in South Africa would be good, I don't think they've won there before?


I reckon the difference between India and Nz is the top order and the openers specifically.
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eugene wrote: ↑Fri Jun 25, 2021 2:28 am

One can find flaws with NZ's record, but I don't think you can find another test team that is clearly better. Australia could not beat England in England or India at home, NZ has done both.


No one is saying Australia is the best team in the world though, for me India would be the best team overall taking into consideration overall performances in all conditions
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It would have been good to see a 3 match series between India and NZ in South Africa or Australia perhaps.
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jaybro wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 4:07 am

No one is saying Australia is the best team in the world though, for me India would be the best team overall taking into consideration overall performances in all conditions


I too think India are still the best team. They can dominate/win/compete in more countries than New Zealand or any other team.

That being said, both teams had just one crack in a one-off final, and hats off to NZ for grabbing the opportunity. India had every chance to compete and possibly win but ended up getting well beaten.
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And New Zealand has beaten India three tests in a row now. Really Australia is the only team NZ has failed against.
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My opinion might be outdated and very 'Big 3' aligned but I feel the best way to know how good a test team is, is by looking at these following pointers

- Home Form

- Away series in England

- Away series in Australia

- Away series in India

- Away series in South Africa

I think when you look at how India have done at home, they've dominated everyone for a very very long time at home. NZ have started to become dominant at home beating India and England at home, but IIRC South Africa & Australia still hold the wood over NZ both home & away.

India have won their last two series away to Australia, which is very very impressive, NZ have won just once in Oz in 30 years. India did pretty well in South Africa last visit winning a Test, whilst again IIRC NZ haven't won there for a while.

India won a test last visit to England and I reckon will beat England this series, NZ also won one test in England and won the series.

NZ don't get the same opportunities India get to play Tests, which can't be held against them, but I still think when you look at them overall their only claim to be being the best is a decent home record and the two tests they just won in England against England & India.
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Little harsh on NZ, jaybro. This is a team that has made it to the finals of the last 3 ICC tournaments (excluding the 2017 champions trophy).

Also winning in England shouldn't be part of the litmus test of great Test teams. England lose to pretty much every team at home. Sri Lanka beat them in 2014, West Indies beat them recently, Pakistan always beats them in a a single Test. These are 3 of the worst traveling sides in world cricket.

IMO it should be:

1) Overall away record and competitiveness. India wins this, IMO.

2) Away record in India, Australia, and New Zealand (less so South Africa and England).

3) Overall record
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It is hard to pinpoint a truly dominant team as nobody can consistently win away from home any more.
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eugene wrote: ↑Fri Jul 02, 2021 2:23 pm

It is hard to pinpoint a truly dominant team as nobody can consistently win away from home any more.


Well apart from the Aussies, did anyone win a lot of away games in 90s or 2000s?
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Kriterion_BD wrote: ↑Sat Jul 03, 2021 9:16 am


eugene wrote: ↑Fri Jul 02, 2021 2:23 pm

It is hard to pinpoint a truly dominant team as nobody can consistently win away from home any more.


Well apart from the Aussies, did anyone win a lot of away games in 90s or 2000s?


Im too young for this but wasnt South Africa good back then?
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South Africa would often win away from home.
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Congratulations NZ!
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