we've more or less got pace/seam bowling covered, Muzarabani, Ngarava and Nyauchi are the real deal, with better fielding, they would be having way better international stats that they do now. Plus you really have to be an outstanding/promising black cricketer for a county cricket club to sign you up moreless directly from Zimbabwe in the case of Blessing Muzarabani. Taylor , Williams and to some extent Ervine were the successors to great Zimababwean batsmen Flower bros, Campbell etc. But with all three (and Raza) reaching the end of their careers, a vacuum has emerged. Unfortunately unlike these three, most young batsmen lauded on this site Welch, Schadendorf, Balance etc couldn't care less about playing for Zimbabwe and in all honesty, use Zimbabwe and its participation in the U19 Cricket World Cup as a stepping stone to get into England club cricket scene with dreams of eventually playing for England. Once the U19 cricket World Cup is over, these kids suddenly realise that they qualify for a British/ Irish? Dutch passport and bugger off
These players (mostly white former Zim U19 Cricket World Cup players) often become journeymen, with mediocre careers, no IPL, global T20 opportunities. Finally we have a bunch of black batsmen who are genuinely talented and seem to have the mental fortitude to become world-beaters. People will say "don't make this about race", but lets be honest, a young black cricketer is more likely to stick around and play for Him, with an eye on global T20 opportunities and occasional club stints in England/Australia that a white young cricketer. that alone make it worthwhile to invest in the likes of Myers, Shumba, Marumani, Madhevere. Brexit England is trying very hard to reduce its non-white population, so these kids are less likely to get county contracts even if they had Don Bradman stats. So its a win-win, here's hoping for a glorious decade of Zimcricket
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White Black white black white black....boring. How about sinply batter and bowler?
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sloandog wrote: ↑Fri Apr 23, 2021 6:55 am
White Black white black white black....boring. How about sinply batter and bowler?
^ This! 1000%.
Also I like the ‘brexit england is trying to get rid of its non white population’ lol. Wtf! Makes it sound like ethnic cleansing or something haha. What nonsense!!!! If anything black players are MORE likely to get county gigs considering the efforts for diversity and all that.
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sloandog wrote: ↑Fri Apr 23, 2021 6:55 am
White Black white black white black....boring. How about sinply batter and bowler?
I didn't see anything wrong with what he said. He's largely right that a black cricketer is more likely to stick around.
At any rate, the 2020 batch of U-19 cricketers seems to be the best set ZIM have had since 2004.
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Tinah09 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 23, 2021 6:30 am
we've more or less got pace/seam bowling covered, Muzarabani, Ngarava and Nyauchi are the real deal, with better fielding, they would be having way better international stats that they do now. Plus you really have to be an outstanding/promising black cricketer for a county cricket club to sign you up moreless directly from Zimbabwe in the case of Blessing Muzarabani. Taylor , Williams and to some extent Ervine were the successors to great Zimababwean batsmen Flower bros, Campbell etc. But with all three (and Raza) reaching the end of their careers, a vacuum has emerged. Unfortunately unlike these three, most young batsmen lauded on this site Welch, Schadendorf, Balance etc couldn't care less about playing for Zimbabwe and in all honesty, use Zimbabwe and its participation in the U19 Cricket World Cup as a stepping stone to get into England club cricket scene with dreams of eventually playing for England. Once the U19 cricket World Cup is over, these kids suddenly realise that they qualify for a British/ Irish? Dutch passport and bugger off
These players (mostly white former Zim U19 Cricket World Cup players) often become journeymen, with mediocre careers, no IPL, global T20 opportunities. Finally we have a bunch of black batsmen who are genuinely talented and seem to have the mental fortitude to become world-beaters. People will say "don't make this about race", but lets be honest, a young black cricketer is more likely to stick around and play for Him, with an eye on global T20 opportunities and occasional club stints in England/Australia that a white young cricketer. that alone make it worthwhile to invest in the likes of Myers, Shumba, Marumani, Madhevere. Brexit England is trying very hard to reduce its non-white population, so these kids are less likely to get county contracts even if they had Don Bradman stats. So its a win-win, here's hoping for a glorious decade of Zimcricket
Racist post. Taylor, Williams, Ervine, Jarvis helped you to win more games than those mediocre Chakabha, Mutumbami, Chari, Chibhava and so on. Now a days, zim team is featured of 7/8 black players. Still you want more?
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saifulsohel05 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 23, 2021 12:51 pm
Racist post. Taylor, Williams, Ervine, Jarvis helped you to win more games than those mediocre Chakabha, Mutumbami, Chari, Chibhava and so on. Now a days, zim team is featured of 7/8 black players. Still you want more?
Lol ironic when someone calls out a racist whilst being racist themselves.
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secretzimbo wrote: ↑Fri Apr 23, 2021 1:16 pm
saifulsohel05 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 23, 2021 12:51 pm
Racist post. Taylor, Williams, Ervine, Jarvis helped you to win more games than those mediocre Chakabha, Mutumbami, Chari, Chibhava and so on. Now a days, zim team is featured of 7/8 black players. Still you want more?
Lol ironic when someone calls out a racist whilst being racist themselves.
When I see Chakabha or Mutumbami is picked ahead of Moor/Murray despite being available, I certainly feel that the selection policy is racist.
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saifulsohel05 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 23, 2021 1:39 pm
secretzimbo wrote: ↑Fri Apr 23, 2021 1:16 pm
saifulsohel05 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 23, 2021 12:51 pm
Racist post. Taylor, Williams, Ervine, Jarvis helped you to win more games than those mediocre Chakabha, Mutumbami, Chari, Chibhava and so on. Now a days, zim team is featured of 7/8 black players. Still you want more?
Lol ironic when someone calls out a racist whilst being racist themselves.
When I see Chakabha or Mutumbami is picked ahead of Moor/Murray despite being available, I certainly feel that the selection policy is racist.
For f**k sake will you read the threads. Ryan Murray is in limbo as to committing or not and Moor is in Ireland. They are categorically not available.
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sloandog wrote: ↑Fri Apr 23, 2021 1:41 pm
saifulsohel05 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 23, 2021 1:39 pm
secretzimbo wrote: ↑Fri Apr 23, 2021 1:16 pm
Lol ironic when someone calls out a racist whilst being racist themselves.
When I see Chakabha or Mutumbami is picked ahead of Moor/Murray despite being available, I certainly feel that the selection policy is racist.
For f**k sake will you read the threads. Ryan Murray is in limbo as to committing or not and Moor is in Ireland. They are categorically not available.
I know they are not available now. I referred to past.
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saifulsohel05 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 23, 2021 2:13 pm
sloandog wrote: ↑Fri Apr 23, 2021 1:41 pm
saifulsohel05 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 23, 2021 1:39 pm
When I see Chakabha or Mutumbami is picked ahead of Moor/Murray despite being available, I certainly feel that the selection policy is racist.
For f**k sake will you read the threads. Ryan Murray is in limbo as to committing or not and Moor is in Ireland. They are categorically not available.
I know they are not available now. I referred to past.
In no fan of ZC and yes they are racist,
But with Murray, I have to be on their side.
All they have asked for is for him to commit to the Logan cup and prove himself for the national squad. Would take 3 innings.
He also gave up his cricket career to do an accounting degree in England. Almost cricket suicide.
I’d love to see Murray in the 17 but he needs to clear the cobwebs and prove himself.
To be honest, I have doubts whether he is still up to it. Yet to see someone take three years off cricket and return a gangsta.
Poor guy destined to be a ‘never was’:(
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saifulsohel05 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 23, 2021 1:39 pm
When I see Chakabha or Mutumbami is picked ahead of Moor/Murray despite being available, I certainly feel that the selection policy is racist.
Yet another person who blindly thinks PJ Moor is a good wicketkeeper, probably without watching him keep wicket much. I promise you, if his name was PJ Mawoyo, there wouldn't be such a love-in for him. Really average glovesman, probably not as good as Regis and Richmond with the gloves. Of course a very talented batsman but then he had only a decent Logan Cup - not a fantastic one. Was asked by ZC to commit to the domestic T20 and perform for a national team place but chose the easy option to go Ireland.
Murray another one who refused to put in the work. ZC (rightly) trying to pick based on domestic form but Murray can't even be bothered to play a few Logan Cup matches a season.
We all know ZC is a pretty rubbish organisation and they definitely have their faults with selections and all sorts of other issues. But on this one? Meh.
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secretzimbo wrote: ↑Fri Apr 23, 2021 9:45 pm
saifulsohel05 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 23, 2021 1:39 pm
When I see Chakabha or Mutumbami is picked ahead of Moor/Murray despite being available, I certainly feel that the selection policy is racist.
Yet another person who blindly thinks PJ Moor is a good wicketkeeper, probably without watching him keep wicket much. I promise you, if his name was PJ Mawoyo, there wouldn't be such a love-in for him. Really average glovesman, probably not as good as Regis and Richmond with the gloves. Of course a very talented batsman but then he had only a decent Logan Cup - not a fantastic one. Was asked by ZC to commit to the domestic T20 and perform for a national team place but chose the easy option to go Ireland.
Murray another one who refused to put in the work. ZC (rightly) trying to pick based on domestic form but Murray can't even be bothered to play a few Logan Cup matches a season.
We all know ZC is a pretty rubbish organisation and they definitely have their faults with selections and all sorts of other issues. But on this one? Meh.
I love how people assume things but ignore what the actual players say.
PJ said he did commit to Zim but was told he would not be selected for the Pak tour which is when he decided to go to Ireland based off of this.
From what Dean Du Plessis has said about Murray last week, he is committed to Zim, but he needs to finish his uni and the logistics were difficult particularly as ZC could not often give guaranteed dates of the domestic comp.
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ZIMDOGGY wrote: ↑Fri Apr 23, 2021 8:51 pm
saifulsohel05 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 23, 2021 2:13 pm
sloandog wrote: ↑Fri Apr 23, 2021 1:41 pm
For f**k sake will you read the threads. Ryan Murray is in limbo as to committing or not and Moor is in Ireland. They are categorically not available.
I know they are not available now. I referred to past.
In no fan of ZC and yes they are racist,
But with Murray, I have to be on their side.
All they have asked for is for him to commit to the Logan cup and prove himself for the national squad. Would take 3 innings.
He also gave up his cricket career to do an accounting degree in England. Almost cricket suicide.
I’d love to see Murray in the 17 but he needs to clear the cobwebs and prove himself.
To be honest, I have doubts whether he is still up to it. Yet to see someone take three years off cricket and return a gangsta.
Poor guy destined to be a ‘never was’:(
Not an accounting degree he already has a degree.
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zimbos_05 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 24, 2021 5:09 am
secretzimbo wrote: ↑Fri Apr 23, 2021 9:45 pm
saifulsohel05 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 23, 2021 1:39 pm
When I see Chakabha or Mutumbami is picked ahead of Moor/Murray despite being available, I certainly feel that the selection policy is racist.
Yet another person who blindly thinks PJ Moor is a good wicketkeeper, probably without watching him keep wicket much. I promise you, if his name was PJ Mawoyo, there wouldn't be such a love-in for him. Really average glovesman, probably not as good as Regis and Richmond with the gloves. Of course a very talented batsman but then he had only a decent Logan Cup - not a fantastic one. Was asked by ZC to commit to the domestic T20 and perform for a national team place but chose the easy option to go Ireland.
Murray another one who refused to put in the work. ZC (rightly) trying to pick based on domestic form but Murray can't even be bothered to play a few Logan Cup matches a season.
We all know ZC is a pretty rubbish organisation and they definitely have their faults with selections and all sorts of other issues. But on this one? Meh.
I love how people assume things but ignore what the actual players say.
PJ said he did commit to Zim but was told he would not be selected for the Pak tour which is when he decided to go to Ireland based off of this.
From what Dean Du Plessis has said about Murray last week, he is committed to Zim, but he needs to finish his uni and the logistics were difficult particularly as ZC could not often give guaranteed dates of the domestic comp.
From my understanding, and this is from within the Tuskers set-up, was that Moor wanted a guarantee he would be in the Pak T20 squad. ZC told him to play the domestic comp and perform and win a place, and that they couldn't guarantee him. Every other squad member played the full domestic T20 - even the shoe-ins like BT, Williams, Blessing. Moor needed to fly to Ireland last week to quarantine ahead of his contract, was worried that if he missed out on national selection, then he would end up with nothing (as he'd miss his contract start date).
He had a choice. He chose the easy option of guaranteed club cricket in Ireland over possible national cricket here based on performance. I don't blame him for making that choice - it's the sensible and safe thing to do.
But he's another white player who thinks they are entitled to walk into a national team spot without performing unfortunately.
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secretzimbo wrote: ↑Sat Apr 24, 2021 9:30 am
zimbos_05 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 24, 2021 5:09 am
secretzimbo wrote: ↑Fri Apr 23, 2021 9:45 pm
Yet another person who blindly thinks PJ Moor is a good wicketkeeper, probably without watching him keep wicket much. I promise you, if his name was PJ Mawoyo, there wouldn't be such a love-in for him. Really average glovesman, probably not as good as Regis and Richmond with the gloves. Of course a very talented batsman but then he had only a decent Logan Cup - not a fantastic one. Was asked by ZC to commit to the domestic T20 and perform for a national team place but chose the easy option to go Ireland.
Murray another one who refused to put in the work. ZC (rightly) trying to pick based on domestic form but Murray can't even be bothered to play a few Logan Cup matches a season.
We all know ZC is a pretty rubbish organisation and they definitely have their faults with selections and all sorts of other issues. But on this one? Meh.
I love how people assume things but ignore what the actual players say.
PJ said he did commit to Zim but was told he would not be selected for the Pak tour which is when he decided to go to Ireland based off of this.
From what Dean Du Plessis has said about Murray last week, he is committed to Zim, but he needs to finish his uni and the logistics were difficult particularly as ZC could not often give guaranteed dates of the domestic comp.
From my understanding, and this is from within the Tuskers set-up, was that Moor wanted a guarantee he would be in the Pak T20 squad. ZC told him to play the domestic comp and perform and win a place, and that they couldn't guarantee him. Every other squad member played the full domestic T20 - even the shoe-ins like BT, Williams, Blessing. Moor needed to fly to Ireland last week to quarantine ahead of his contract, was worried that if he missed out on national selection, then he would end up with nothing (as he'd miss his contract start date).
He had a choice. He chose the easy option of guaranteed club cricket in Ireland over possible national cricket here based on performance. I don't blame him for making that choice - it's the sensible and safe thing to do.
But he's another white player who thinks they are entitled to walk into a national team spot without performing unfortunately.
You have seemed very anti white lately.
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ZIMDOGGY wrote: ↑Sat Apr 24, 2021 10:16 am
secretzimbo wrote: ↑Sat Apr 24, 2021 9:30 am
zimbos_05 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 24, 2021 5:09 am
I love how people assume things but ignore what the actual players say.
PJ said he did commit to Zim but was told he would not be selected for the Pak tour which is when he decided to go to Ireland based off of this.
From what Dean Du Plessis has said about Murray last week, he is committed to Zim, but he needs to finish his uni and the logistics were difficult particularly as ZC could not often give guaranteed dates of the domestic comp.
From my understanding, and this is from within the Tuskers set-up, was that Moor wanted a guarantee he would be in the Pak T20 squad. ZC told him to play the domestic comp and perform and win a place, and that they couldn't guarantee him. Every other squad member played the full domestic T20 - even the shoe-ins like BT, Williams, Blessing. Moor needed to fly to Ireland last week to quarantine ahead of his contract, was worried that if he missed out on national selection, then he would end up with nothing (as he'd miss his contract start date).
He had a choice. He chose the easy option of guaranteed club cricket in Ireland over possible national cricket here based on performance. I don't blame him for making that choice - it's the sensible and safe thing to do.
But he's another white player who thinks they are entitled to walk into a national team spot without performing unfortunately.
You have seemed very anti white lately.
Just trying to be fair! Moor is no BT. And even BT has been told he has to play domestic cricket if he wants national selection!
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secretzimbo wrote: ↑Sat Apr 24, 2021 9:30 am
zimbos_05 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 24, 2021 5:09 am
secretzimbo wrote: ↑Fri Apr 23, 2021 9:45 pm
Yet another person who blindly thinks PJ Moor is a good wicketkeeper, probably without watching him keep wicket much. I promise you, if his name was PJ Mawoyo, there wouldn't be such a love-in for him. Really average glovesman, probably not as good as Regis and Richmond with the gloves. Of course a very talented batsman but then he had only a decent Logan Cup - not a fantastic one. Was asked by ZC to commit to the domestic T20 and perform for a national team place but chose the easy option to go Ireland.
Murray another one who refused to put in the work. ZC (rightly) trying to pick based on domestic form but Murray can't even be bothered to play a few Logan Cup matches a season.
We all know ZC is a pretty rubbish organisation and they definitely have their faults with selections and all sorts of other issues. But on this one? Meh.
I love how people assume things but ignore what the actual players say.
PJ said he did commit to Zim but was told he would not be selected for the Pak tour which is when he decided to go to Ireland based off of this.
From what Dean Du Plessis has said about Murray last week, he is committed to Zim, but he needs to finish his uni and the logistics were difficult particularly as ZC could not often give guaranteed dates of the domestic comp.
From my understanding, and this is from within the Tuskers set-up, was that Moor wanted a guarantee he would be in the Pak T20 squad. ZC told him to play the domestic comp and perform and win a place, and that they couldn't guarantee him. Every other squad member played the full domestic T20 - even the shoe-ins like BT, Williams, Blessing. Moor needed to fly to Ireland last week to quarantine ahead of his contract, was worried that if he missed out on national selection, then he would end up with nothing (as he'd miss his contract start date).
He had a choice. He chose the easy option of guaranteed club cricket in Ireland over possible national cricket here based on performance. I don't blame him for making that choice - it's the sensible and safe thing to do.
But he's another white player who thinks they are entitled to walk into a national team spot without performing unfortunately.
Just want to voice that I completely agree with what you're saying, if youre not willing to commit to the domestic scene why should you ever be selected for the Chevrons. If you want to select players who wont commit futures to playing domestically even if it is a s**t show at ZC organisational It's like hiring Steve Smith for one innings and claiming that he really helped develop Zimbabwean batting throughout the domestic setup.
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