ricky wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2017 7:14 am
best would be to tour Ireland or invite them in Zimbabwe for one test and five Odis.
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For once you have a good point! 😂 😂 even a broken clock twice a day etc…
Although 3 teams isn’t really enough for a ‘division’ to be interesting and competitive. So it should be two divisions of six, or give test status to another couple of associates but I can’t see that happening any time soon sadly.
Also it would need to be supplemented with additional annual series against some top teams too. It’s all well and good playing Ireland and Afghanistan all the time but we need to be occasionally tested against better sides too.
As Googly says though, it’s the cost. I think Ireland said it cost them €500k per day to host their last test which is absolutely insane!!! This needs to be looked at urgently
Although 3 teams isn’t really enough for a ‘division’ to be interesting and competitive. So it should be two divisions of six, or give test status to another couple of associates but I can’t see that happening any time soon sadly.
Also it would need to be supplemented with additional annual series against some top teams too. It’s all well and good playing Ireland and Afghanistan all the time but we need to be occasionally tested against better sides too.
As Googly says though, it’s the cost. I think Ireland said it cost them €500k per day to host their last test which is absolutely insane!!! This needs to be looked at urgently
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Rajkumar Sharma wrote: ↑Wed Jun 01, 2022 6:41 am
Foogly.ICC Intercontinental Cup is on a hold, with Zim, Ireland, Afghans not eligible to represent WTC. ICC can start this four day league with this 3 along with other associates, name it as WTC Division 2, to save their full membership along with test status, otherwise these 3 will not get any chance to play test with top teams. Top teams will always go for cancelling the tour or break the tour into shorter formats by skipping test matches, just like Aussies did recently. Ireland & Afghans will definately put the issue of playing test cricket someday to the ICC. WTC division 2 is the only way to save test cricket for these 3 teams as ICC has no mood of bringing relegation promotion system in WTC as there is big difference between top 9 and these 3 teams, WTC division 2 could be exciting just like WTC as nearly teams with less difference in strengths will play against each other.
I agree, if the ICC cares then this is a workable idea and in long term will give benefits to ICC by producing more number of competitive test teams.
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Recent comments from the BCB president seem to suggest BD will be touring for at least a Test match. Bear in mind that Tamim is the ODI captain, and Riiyad is the T20I captain, so if the series didn't include Tests, mentioning Shakib skipping the series is not really relevant:
https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/bang ... in-1317894
"After the series against West Indies, we have a series against Zimbabwe. Shakib is uncertain for that series, and it's unclear how long Shakib will remain the captain for.
https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/bang ... in-1317894
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Kriterion_BD wrote: ↑Thu Jun 02, 2022 3:25 pm
Recent comments from the BCB president seem to suggest BD will be touring for at least a Test match. Bear in mind that Tamim is the ODI captain, and Riiyad is the T20I captain, so if the series didn't include Tests, mentioning Shakib skipping the series is not really relevant:
"After the series against West Indies, we have a series against Zimbabwe. Shakib is uncertain for that series, and it's unclear how long Shakib will remain the captain for.
https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/bang ... in-1317894
I'm just happy that the Zimbabwe-Bangladesh series is on!
I was going through indias FTP, and the Zimbabwe series as per local media is still on in August, but I don't know how will that be possible unless india are looking to field two teams at the same time (Which india will be doing for the Ireland series)
Also there seem to be no mention about Ind-Rsa and Ind-Afg super league games. As of now they are not planned at all.
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When is the ZIM-BD series...is it before or after the qualifiers?
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Kriterion_BD wrote: ↑Thu Jun 02, 2022 3:42 pm
When is the ZIM-BD series...is it before or after the qualifiers?
Qualifiers are from 8th July, so it has to be after the qualifiers. That is after 18th July. Bangladesh have got Asia Cup from 24th August so I think it will be in that one month window in between.
Which again confuses me as to when will india series happen. I don't see any window for that actually.
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Bangladesh is straight after the Qualifiers. Last word was that it was white ball only but I'll be very pleasantly surprised and happy if there is a Test!
India is supposed to be August, and I think they confirmed previously they will be using two separate squads during that period, so we will probably get more of an India A side here.
Qualifiers
Bangladesh
India
Australia
is the plan
Then a West Indies A tour after that and then the Netherlands are coming, either December 2022 or Feb 2023 apparently.
India is supposed to be August, and I think they confirmed previously they will be using two separate squads during that period, so we will probably get more of an India A side here.
Qualifiers
Bangladesh
India
Australia
is the plan
Then a West Indies A tour after that and then the Netherlands are coming, either December 2022 or Feb 2023 apparently.
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Then after that we are into the new FTP which hasn’t been published yet and I fear will be very poor for Zim :(
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“There will be fewer men’s Test cricket during the next Future Tours Programme from 2023-27, with the calendar packed with Twenty20 leagues and global international tournaments.
Some countries may have to make room and play less Test cricket,” Barclay told Test Match Special. “Some of the smaller full members will have to accept that they can’t play the amount of Test cricket that they wanted to so we may see a lessening of that – four or five [games] a year whereas England, Australia, India I think will be playing Test cricket as they are now.”
Quote from the English media today, that's the ICC Chairman.
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Some countries may have to make room and play less Test cricket,” Barclay told Test Match Special. “Some of the smaller full members will have to accept that they can’t play the amount of Test cricket that they wanted to so we may see a lessening of that – four or five [games] a year whereas England, Australia, India I think will be playing Test cricket as they are now.”
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secretzimbo wrote: ↑Fri Jun 03, 2022 11:35 pm
“There will be fewer men’s Test cricket during the next Future Tours Programme from 2023-27, with the calendar packed with Twenty20 leagues and global international tournaments.
Some countries may have to make room and play less Test cricket,” Barclay told Test Match Special. “Some of the smaller full members will have to accept that they can’t play the amount of Test cricket that they wanted to so we may see a lessening of that – four or five [games] a year whereas England, Australia, India I think will be playing Test cricket as they are now.”
Quote from the English media today, that's the ICC Chairman.
The ICC and the big three are a disgrace.
The fault here lies mostly or at least partly with the smaller countries who have their own t20 cricket leagues. Like why on earth does the BCB need the BPL? It's a s**t league no one cares about, is rife with scandals and poor pitches, and only attracts foreign players past their prime or that no one has ever heard of. And it wastes 4-5 weeks of the season when you could easily host 2-3 Tests. On top of all that, the team will still suck at T20 cricket. Ditto for Sri Lanka and Pakistan too.
That being said Bangladeshi media seems to suggest Bangladesh will play around 10 Tests per year for the next 4 years. 6-8 will probably be WTC matches so that is possible.
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But 4-5 Tests per year is way more than what ZIM, AFG, and Ireland are playing currently. So that's not bad at all.
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These lesser T20 leagues do give players an opportunity to make some cash, not the big bucks, but 30-50k is not to be sneered at. It would suit our players who are unlikely to get a call up to the bigger competitions and provide them with a real opportunity to get enough cash together to put a deposit on a house or a piece of land or whatever.
Plus if they did well it may open a door to a bigger league.
Plus if they did well it may open a door to a bigger league.
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Idk about that. Apart from Raza and BM, no one from ZIM is getting those 30-50k deals. And no matter how good a Bangladeshi might do in the PSL or the CPL, they will be overlooked for IPL unless their name is Shakib or Fizz. These T20 leagues are good for Afghan and Windies players who are really only good at the T20 format.
I'm no fan of the IPL - never watched a single game and don't plan to. But it annoys me that every country wants to try and copy that model.
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Kriterion_BD wrote: ↑Sat Jun 04, 2022 11:17 pm
Idk about that. Apart from Raza and BM, no one from ZIM is getting those 30-50k deals. And no matter how good a Bangladeshi might do in the PSL or the CPL, they will be overlooked for IPL unless their name is Shakib or Fizz. These T20 leagues are good for Afghan and Windies players who are really only good at the T20 format.
I'm no fan of the IPL - never watched a single game and don't plan to. But it annoys me that every country wants to try and copy that model.
I don't mind the IPL as a product taken at face value - the games are extremely high quality and often enjoyable. But the issues are with the wider problems it creates in cricket.
The BCCI now entirely run the ICC, with their faithful lapdogs CA and the ECB in support of course. Cricket is on a one way slide into the oblivion of an entire global sport entirely and permanently dominated by and serving purely the demands of the BCCI and the IPL franchise owners.
Even if Zim were half competitive, long-term we'd probably be finished. Ireland and Afghanistan will eventually go the same way and there sure as s**t will never be another new test playing nation again in our lifetimes.
The dream is to scrap two of the formats and be left with a 5-nation T20 World Cup, hosted every six months - always in India. India, Australia, England, the USA, and maybe Pakistan if the Indian government is feeling generous at the time.
The 5 month gap between every world cup will be filled exclusively by the IPL, which now consists of 187 franchises and 7,000 different commercial partners.
Once per decade if England have been a loyal servant, they might be lucky enough to get permission from the BCCI to play some bilateral games at The Upstox CricIndex Byju's Tata-Safari FanCode NFT London Knight Riders Arena (Lord's) - the only remaining cricket ground in the country - or even a exhibition match against a rest of the world XI in Barbados to keep the thirsty sunburnt pom fans happy and the poor barmy army trumpeter in employment.
Meanwhile the 4-match Women's Indian T20 Challenge is still played annually as a footnote during IPL playoff week whilst the commentators continue to make vaguely sexist and dismissive comments about the players as if its all a bit of a laugh. No other women's cricket is allowed globally. All 90-odd associate members have been banned from playing cricket because why should they be allowed?
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About 400 old men with stained old union jack flags and cups of warm beer are in attendance for every home game of the London Knight Riders - the only overseas franchise - having paid £850 pounds each for a ticket.
They occasionally burst into mundane renditions of old favourites 'Sweet Caroline' and 'Please Don't Take Me Home', having had to drink at least 20 pints each to ensure they forget about the destruction of the beautiful game that has gone before them.
Meanwhile 8 billion people watch the game on TV in India. A typical IPL game now lasts 7 and a half hours. Kevin Pietersen is still on commentary saying its all fantastic and if anything the sport needs to be shrunk yet further to ensure 'competitiveness'. He's very excited about the Upstox Swiggy Instamart Fast Five Performance of the Match going to a new 18-year old Indian superstar, who is happily collecting a cheque of 79billion USD for his efforts today - 1-23 and 24(7) with the bat.
They occasionally burst into mundane renditions of old favourites 'Sweet Caroline' and 'Please Don't Take Me Home', having had to drink at least 20 pints each to ensure they forget about the destruction of the beautiful game that has gone before them.
Meanwhile 8 billion people watch the game on TV in India. A typical IPL game now lasts 7 and a half hours. Kevin Pietersen is still on commentary saying its all fantastic and if anything the sport needs to be shrunk yet further to ensure 'competitiveness'. He's very excited about the Upstox Swiggy Instamart Fast Five Performance of the Match going to a new 18-year old Indian superstar, who is happily collecting a cheque of 79billion USD for his efforts today - 1-23 and 24(7) with the bat.
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At this point Zimbabwe Cricket - as with 99% of all cricket organisations - has long ceased to exist.
Yet somehow Lalchand Rajput is still inexplicably picking up a salary from someone somewhere in Zimdollars.
Makoni and Mukuhlani blame the b*****d white murungus for the whole thing. 😂
Yet somehow Lalchand Rajput is still inexplicably picking up a salary from someone somewhere in Zimdollars.
Makoni and Mukuhlani blame the b*****d white murungus for the whole thing. 😂
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This T20 franchise bubble won't last for long. Just wait and watch. ICC will regret this.
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Kriterion_BD wrote: ↑Sat Jun 04, 2022 1:33 am
secretzimbo wrote: ↑Fri Jun 03, 2022 11:35 pm
“There will be fewer men’s Test cricket during the next Future Tours Programme from 2023-27, with the calendar packed with Twenty20 leagues and global international tournaments.
Some countries may have to make room and play less Test cricket,” Barclay told Test Match Special. “Some of the smaller full members will have to accept that they can’t play the amount of Test cricket that they wanted to so we may see a lessening of that – four or five [games] a year whereas England, Australia, India I think will be playing Test cricket as they are now.”
Quote from the English media today, that's the ICC Chairman.
The ICC and the big three are a disgrace.
The fault here lies mostly or at least partly with the smaller countries who have their own t20 cricket leagues. Like why on earth does the BCB need the BPL? It's a s**t league no one cares about, is rife with scandals and poor pitches, and only attracts foreign players past their prime or that no one has ever heard of. And it wastes 4-5 weeks of the season when you could easily host 2-3 Tests. On top of all that, the team will still suck at T20 cricket. Ditto for Sri Lanka and Pakistan too.
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I agree, that's a very valid point.
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Tamim Iqbal has said the BD tour is white ball games only.
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Kriterion_BD wrote: ↑Sat Jun 04, 2022 11:17 pm
I'm no fan of the IPL - never watched a single game and don't plan to. But it annoys me that every country wants to try and copy that model.
This. The IPL kickstarted this whole phenomena and now every country is trying to do something, even countries in which cricket is not particularly big like the USA and Canada.
There is a league happening just about everywhere (bar Zim) and they are all trying to do the same model which is not sustainable.
Whilst it is nice to have these big name players playing your own league in your home country, it's just not viable for the long term success of cricket as a whole. Zim would do well to focus on developing their own strong domestic league with more than 5 matches a season. Incorporate with Namibia or South to have them send an Invitational team to be part of the league and just have a strong focused domestic comp.
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