Is this feller the son of Doug Higgins?
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Had a good game - 7fer and 33 runs.
perfect dibbly dobbler allrounder for the aim team...
get him in the team!
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zimbos_05 wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 10:54 pm
TapsC2 wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 2:43 pm
Is it ZC’s fault that they are not being paid on time? Genuine question. If the ICC is in charge of their finances I don’t know how they can be at fault there
It probably kind of is if they did not agree to a plan in which they got the funds from the ICC in time to pay the players.
In saying that, ZC are definitely to blame for a lot of things. Look at how they reacted when Streak was guilty. They celebrated it and were kicking him whilst he was down. Then look at the treatment of PJ. Or the treatment of any of the other white kids who were genuine talents and skill, but were overlooked for their skin colour, or ambition to earn a uni degree or a living from a secured income.
On a side note, I've had guys on twitter talking about how expensive cricket balls are and ZC can't afford them, yet Makoni and Hammy are on high wages. What is the point
I’m sorry I will never agree with anybody having to skip the line because they went to uni or if you are not in form. The truth is PJ hasn’t been in any form for years but people will choose to ignore that. It’s just like how Chatara is on the sidelines or Jongwe was sidelined for 6 years. It’s across the board. Nothing to do with race when it comes to players being treated like crap. They do it to everybody
Did you see the stats of the Pakistan guy who had almost 600 first class wickets but was waiting for his debut? This happens in every country. Also this Uni thing is ridiculous as the Dogg has pointed out multiple times. If you take that route you can’t expect to just walk into the team anymore. How long must we wait for Murray? Apparently now he is working in the U.K. does that sound like somebody who really wants a cricket career?
If Evans puts in good performances and is on standby after 1 season then walks away can we really blame ZC for that? How many good seasons have the likes of Masuku and Nyauchi had? You shouldn’t get preferential treatment because you have options. The whole system will collapse. 90% of the guys who play the domestic game get shafted by ZC every year.
Somebody like Chivanga jumping the line has surely caused a lot of internal issues that people just can’t see yet. It’s not a good look.
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TapsC2 wrote: ↑Tue May 04, 2021 4:50 am
zimbos_05 wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 10:54 pm
TapsC2 wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 2:43 pm
Is it ZC’s fault that they are not being paid on time? Genuine question. If the ICC is in charge of their finances I don’t know how they can be at fault there
It probably kind of is if they did not agree to a plan in which they got the funds from the ICC in time to pay the players.
In saying that, ZC are definitely to blame for a lot of things. Look at how they reacted when Streak was guilty. They celebrated it and were kicking him whilst he was down. Then look at the treatment of PJ. Or the treatment of any of the other white kids who were genuine talents and skill, but were overlooked for their skin colour, or ambition to earn a uni degree or a living from a secured income.
On a side note, I've had guys on twitter talking about how expensive cricket balls are and ZC can't afford them, yet Makoni and Hammy are on high wages. What is the point
I’m sorry I will never agree with anybody having to skip the line because they went to uni or if you are not in form. The truth is PJ hasn’t been in any form for years but people will choose to ignore that. It’s just like how Chatara is on the sidelines or Jongwe was sidelined for 6 years. It’s across the board. Nothing to do with race when it comes to players being treated like crap. They do it to everybody
Did you see the stats of the Pakistan guy who had almost 600 first class wickets but was waiting for his debut? This happens in every country. Also this Uni thing is ridiculous as the Dogg has pointed out multiple times. If you take that route you can’t expect to just walk into the team anymore. How long must we wait for Murray? Apparently now he is working in the U.K. does that sound like somebody who really wants a cricket career?
If Evans puts in good performances and is on standby after 1 season then walks away can we really blame ZC for that? How many good seasons have the likes of Masuku and Nyauchi had? You shouldn’t get preferential treatment because you have options. The whole system will collapse. 90% of the guys who play the domestic game get shafted by ZC every year.
Somebody like Chivanga jumping the line has surely caused a lot of internal issues that people just can’t see yet. It’s not a good look.
Yeah but that is because of the system in other countries, meaning there are jobs so people can support themselves whilst playing FC or the FC system pays something.
In Pakistan, the FC would pay more than Zim I imagine and there are more jobs in pakistan.
Well yeah looks like Murray is working in the UK with a good job, we can keep losing good talent If we follow your approach.
Big companies recruit people With incentives but ZC doesnt actively recruit people.
All I'm saying is never blame players for looking after themselves If thats what they want to do. It's not a race thing either, black players with options often do the same thing.
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From my understanding of this an elite Pakistan domestic player gets USD 1000 a month. Including match fees they can make about 20k a year. The lowest paid gets about 300usd a month. Before 2020 they were all on less than 350usd a month. Which is what that guy was earning the majority of his career.
The difference is not as crazy as people think. Also think about how half the guys who play here might be club level. A few years ago the domestic captains here were getting paid more than the guys in Pakistan
From my understanding of this an elite Pakistan domestic player gets USD 1000 a month. Including match fees they can make about 20k a year. The lowest paid gets about 300usd a month. Before 2020 they were all on less than 350usd a month. Which is what that guy was earning the majority of his career.
The difference is not as crazy as people think. Also think about how half the guys who play here might be club level. A few years ago the domestic captains here were getting paid more than the guys in Pakistan
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From my understanding of this an elite Pakistan domestic player gets USD 1000 a month. Including match fees they can make about 20k a year. The lowest paid gets about 300usd a month. Before 2020 they were all on less than 350usd a month. Which is what that guy was earning the majority of his career.
The difference is not as crazy as people think. Also think about how half the guys who play here might be club level. A few years ago the domestic captains here were getting paid more than the guys in Pakistan
From my understanding of this an elite Pakistan domestic player gets USD 1000 a month. Including match fees they can make about 20k a year. The lowest paid gets about 300usd a month. Before 2020 they were all on less than 350usd a month. Which is what that guy was earning the majority of his career.
The difference is not as crazy as people think. Also think about how half the guys who play here might be club level. A few years ago the domestic captains here were getting paid more than the guys in Pakistan
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With the ICC approving wages it’s either we are not that far off other nations (also considering our allocation. Pakistan probably gets 10x more than us) or the ICC is a criminal organization
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With the ICC approving wages it’s either we are not that far off other nations (also considering our allocation. Pakistan probably gets 10x more than us) or the ICC is a criminal organization
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TapsC2 wrote: ↑Tue May 04, 2021 4:50 am
I’m sorry I will never agree with anybody having to skip the line because they went to uni or if you are not in form. The truth is PJ hasn’t been in any form for years but people will choose to ignore that. It’s just like how Chatara is on the sidelines or Jongwe was sidelined for 6 years. It’s across the board. Nothing to do with race when it comes to players being treated like crap. They do it to everybody
Did you see the stats of the Pakistan guy who had almost 600 first class wickets but was waiting for his debut? This happens in every country. Also this Uni thing is ridiculous as the Dogg has pointed out multiple times. If you take that route you can’t expect to just walk into the team anymore. How long must we wait for Murray? Apparently now he is working in the U.K. does that sound like somebody who really wants a cricket career?
If Evans puts in good performances and is on standby after 1 season then walks away can we really blame ZC for that? How many good seasons have the likes of Masuku and Nyauchi had? You shouldn’t get preferential treatment because you have options. The whole system will collapse. 90% of the guys who play the domestic game get shafted by ZC every year.
Somebody like Chivanga jumping the line has surely caused a lot of internal issues that people just can’t see yet. It’s not a good look.
Never said anybody should skip the line, but your argument holds little weight as players are being picked, and have been picked, not on form. Chamu, Wellington, Prince, Maruma come to mind. Even our coaches are our coaches not on form. What improvements have you seen from any of our players that warrant the coaches having the roles they have? What have Matsi and Hondo done to earn their positions? So your whole thing about form being the reason is hogwash. PJ has a higher average than most in the side and continues to get overlooked. To me it seems its because he was the guy who came in at 3 in the qualifier.
No one said anything about having the boys who go to uni walking in to the side. The point is that ZC refuses to engage with anyone who wishes to pursue other parts of life and play cricket. ZC pre 2004 you may have a point as playing cricket in Zim and for Zim was a very viable career path. However, the ZC board have messed up ZC so they have forced all these youngsters to consider other options just so that they can put food on the table.
ZC refuses to develop a system that allows youngsters to play cricket and study Uni. ZC keeps giving ultimatums and making up ludicrous rules. Heaps of Australian players play cricket and study. A lot of the women players in Aus work second jobs. You can't be close minded to these things and the wider world. TM and Makoni drive around in flash cars yet when a player wishes to look after their own livelihood, they cast them aside.
If he is in the UK, then I'm guessing it's because of all those ultimatums ZC gave him about "all in for ZC or nothing".
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zimbos_05 wrote: ↑Tue May 04, 2021 8:25 am
TapsC2 wrote: ↑Tue May 04, 2021 4:50 am
I’m sorry I will never agree with anybody having to skip the line because they went to uni or if you are not in form. The truth is PJ hasn’t been in any form for years but people will choose to ignore that. It’s just like how Chatara is on the sidelines or Jongwe was sidelined for 6 years. It’s across the board. Nothing to do with race when it comes to players being treated like crap. They do it to everybody
Did you see the stats of the Pakistan guy who had almost 600 first class wickets but was waiting for his debut? This happens in every country. Also this Uni thing is ridiculous as the Dogg has pointed out multiple times. If you take that route you can’t expect to just walk into the team anymore. How long must we wait for Murray? Apparently now he is working in the U.K. does that sound like somebody who really wants a cricket career?
If Evans puts in good performances and is on standby after 1 season then walks away can we really blame ZC for that? How many good seasons have the likes of Masuku and Nyauchi had? You shouldn’t get preferential treatment because you have options. The whole system will collapse. 90% of the guys who play the domestic game get shafted by ZC every year.
Somebody like Chivanga jumping the line has surely caused a lot of internal issues that people just can’t see yet. It’s not a good look.
Never said anybody should skip the line, but your argument holds little weight as players are being picked, and have been picked, not on form. Chamu, Wellington, Prince, Maruma come to mind. Even our coaches are our coaches not on form. What improvements have you seen from any of our players that warrant the coaches having the roles they have? What have Matsi and Hondo done to earn their positions? So your whole thing about form being the reason is hogwash. PJ has a higher average than most in the side and continues to get overlooked. To me it seems its because he was the guy who came in at 3 in the qualifier.
No one said anything about having the boys who go to uni walking in to the side. The point is that ZC refuses to engage with anyone who wishes to pursue other parts of life and play cricket. ZC pre 2004 you may have a point as playing cricket in Zim and for Zim was a very viable career path. However, the ZC board have messed up ZC so they have forced all these youngsters to consider other options just so that they can put food on the table.
ZC refuses to develop a system that allows youngsters to play cricket and study Uni. ZC keeps giving ultimatums and making up ludicrous rules. Heaps of Australian players play cricket and study. A lot of the women players in Aus work second jobs. You can't be close minded to these things and the wider world. TM and Makoni drive around in flash cars yet when a player wishes to look after their own livelihood, they cast them aside.
If he is in the UK, then I'm guessing it's because of all those ultimatums ZC gave him about "all in for ZC or nothing".
Just focusing on the study part because I agree with everything, by the fact that we rarely play cricket and when we do, it’s over the holiday period, isn’t it sort of ingrained in the design that there is plenty of time to study while playing cricket?
I don’t know, to me it seems p**s easy to be part of full time study online and play cricket. It doesn’t seem the same obligation as Oz.
There may be merit on formalising and say ‘we have a study assistance program’ and then just not change a thing of people feel better about it.
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If anyone at ZC had half a brain or any initiative they would start a program like Dogg is talking about, offer scholarships for universities & other education avenues for aspiring cricketers. This way it keeps the good young cricketers in the game & gives them a fall back option if things don’t work out on the field for them.
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If anyone at ZC had half a brain or any initiative they would start a program like Dogg is talking about, offer scholarships for universities & other education avenues for aspiring cricketers. This way it keeps the good young cricketers in the game & gives them a fall back option if things don’t work out on the field for them.
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ZIMDOGGY wrote: ↑Tue May 04, 2021 9:27 am
Just focusing on the study part because I agree with everything, by the fact that we rarely play cricket and when we do, it’s over the holiday period, isn’t it sort of ingrained in the design that there is plenty of time to study while playing cricket?
I don’t know, to me it seems p**s easy to be part of full time study online and play cricket. It doesn’t seem the same obligation as Oz.
There may be merit on formalising and say ‘we have a study assistance program’ and then just not change a thing of people feel better about it.
As someone who does study full time online and work, it definitely is not p**s easy, but it can be done. I also only work part time and still it is a lot, particularly depending on the course you are doing.
There is also no way we are only playing during holidays. You don't just have your match. You have training camps and preparation days. Recovery days. Fitness days, travel days. Then you need to keep up your training whilst you are studying. All that adds up so it definitely is not as easy as, "study whilst its class time and play whilst its holiday, super easy"
If you are doing all that without a guarantee of income or support from the board to assist you in being able to earn an income whilst on the pathway for development, then you are forced to choose. 99 times out of 100, you choose the opposite of ZC. You are right though. The solution is really simple here, but ZC wont do that because it means swallowing some of their pride.
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We seem to come back to this study and play model in every other thread. So, just out of curiosity, if ZC is to implement an obvious plan on these lines, the current Director of Cricket at ZC must be able to share enough knowledge on how it can be done. Wasn't he himself a beneficiary of going to SA for higher studies and coming back to cricket once he got the degree?
Does anyone know if and how the then ZC (ZCU) helped him (with finer details of financial aid, cricketing support, selection criteria, etc. if anyone knows it) so that that could be the bare minimum to expect?
Does anyone know if and how the then ZC (ZCU) helped him (with finer details of financial aid, cricketing support, selection criteria, etc. if anyone knows it) so that that could be the bare minimum to expect?
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We seem to come back to this study and play model in every other thread. So, just out of curiosity, if ZC is to implement an obvious plan on these lines, the current Director of Cricket at ZC must be able to share enough knowledge on how it can be done. Wasn't he himself a beneficiary of going to SA for higher studies and coming back to cricket once he got the degree?
Does anyone know if and how the then ZC (ZCU) helped him (with finer details of financial aid, cricketing support, selection criteria, etc. if anyone knows it) so that that could be the bare minimum to expect?
Does anyone know if and how the then ZC (ZCU) helped him (with finer details of financial aid, cricketing support, selection criteria, etc. if anyone knows it) so that that could be the bare minimum to expect?
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CrimsonAvenger wrote: ↑Tue May 04, 2021 10:25 am
We seem to come back to this study and play model in every other thread. So, just out of curiosity, if ZC is to implement an obvious plan on these lines, the current Director of Cricket at ZC must be able to share enough knowledge on how it can be done. Wasn't he himself a beneficiary of going to SA for higher studies and coming back to cricket once he got the degree?
Does anyone know if and how the then ZC (ZCU) helped him (with finer details of financial aid, cricketing support, selection criteria, etc. if anyone knows it) so that that could be the bare minimum to expect?
Only certain degrees can be studied online, mainly commercw type degrees
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Zimco wrote: ↑Tue May 04, 2021 11:54 am
CrimsonAvenger wrote: ↑Tue May 04, 2021 10:25 am
We seem to come back to this study and play model in every other thread. So, just out of curiosity, if ZC is to implement an obvious plan on these lines, the current Director of Cricket at ZC must be able to share enough knowledge on how it can be done. Wasn't he himself a beneficiary of going to SA for higher studies and coming back to cricket once he got the degree?
Does anyone know if and how the then ZC (ZCU) helped him (with finer details of financial aid, cricketing support, selection criteria, etc. if anyone knows it) so that that could be the bare minimum to expect?
Only certain degrees can be studied online, mainly commercw type degrees
I think you missed the point. What I'm referring to here is players taking a break for studies like Hammy did and coming back. Can someone in the know tell us how ZCU helped and reintegrated Hammy to the system?
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If you want to play cricket. This timeout to study thing makes zero sense to me. Not if you want to be an elite cricketer. Yo I simply can’t take a 3/4 year sojourn. You’ll literally forget stuff.
Most degrees CAN be studied online. But lets put that aside for a moment.
Pretend ZC are very uni friendly.
How is this model
Juniors cricket > study uni > international cricket > eventual career
Better than;
Juniors cricket> international cricket> study > eventual career
It’s not beneficial to anyone to chop and change like that,
Starting the degree at 34 will at least give you life experience to choose your degree.
the hammy way ruins your development as an elite cricketer and hampers your future career prospects.
No one cares today if you completed a marketing degree in 2010
Most degrees CAN be studied online. But lets put that aside for a moment.
Pretend ZC are very uni friendly.
How is this model
Juniors cricket > study uni > international cricket > eventual career
Better than;
Juniors cricket> international cricket> study > eventual career
It’s not beneficial to anyone to chop and change like that,
Starting the degree at 34 will at least give you life experience to choose your degree.
the hammy way ruins your development as an elite cricketer and hampers your future career prospects.
No one cares today if you completed a marketing degree in 2010
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zimbos_05 wrote: ↑Tue May 04, 2021 9:58 am
ZIMDOGGY wrote: ↑Tue May 04, 2021 9:27 am
Just focusing on the study part because I agree with everything, by the fact that we rarely play cricket and when we do, it’s over the holiday period, isn’t it sort of ingrained in the design that there is plenty of time to study while playing cricket?
I don’t know, to me it seems p**s easy to be part of full time study online and play cricket. It doesn’t seem the same obligation as Oz.
There may be merit on formalising and say ‘we have a study assistance program’ and then just not change a thing of people feel better about it.
As someone who does study full time online and work, it definitely is not p**s easy, but it can be done. I also only work part time and still it is a lot, particularly depending on the course you are doing.
There is also no way we are only playing during holidays. You don't just have your match. You have training camps and preparation days. Recovery days. Fitness days, travel days. Then you need to keep up your training whilst you are studying. All that adds up so it definitely is not as easy as, "study whilst its class time and play whilst its holiday, super easy"
If you are doing all that without a guarantee of income or support from the board to assist you in being able to earn an income whilst on the pathway for development, then you are forced to choose. 99 times out of 100, you choose the opposite of ZC. You are right though. The solution is really simple here, but ZC wont do that because it means swallowing some of their pride.
Do/did you study part time or full time?
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Zimco wrote: ↑Tue May 04, 2021 11:54 am
Only certain degrees can be studied online, mainly commercw type degrees
I don't do a commerce degree and I am online
ZIMDOGGY wrote: ↑Tue May 04, 2021 2:44 pm
If you want to play cricket. This timeout to study thing makes zero sense to me. Not if you want to be an elite cricketer. Yo I simply can’t take a 3/4 year sojourn. You’ll literally forget stuff.
Most degrees CAN be studied online. But lets put that aside for a moment.
Pretend ZC are very uni friendly.
How is this model
Juniors cricket > study uni > international cricket > eventual career
Better than;
Juniors cricket> international cricket> study > eventual career
It’s not beneficial to anyone to chop and change like that,
Starting the degree at 34 will at least give you life experience to choose your degree.
the hammy way ruins your development as an elite cricketer and hampers your future career prospects.
No one cares today if you completed a marketing degree in 2010
You can do both. Many Aussies are currently studying and playing cricket along with in a proper development programme. There is no reason to choose one or the other. You can also study in person and do this programme like many of the guys here. In saying that though, most of our Unis have decent cricket programmes too so they cater and work for that too, and they work closely with CA if there is a particular player that is part of CA or any state team plans.
ZIMDOGGY wrote: ↑Tue May 04, 2021 2:47 pm
Do/did you study part time or full time?
I currently study full time.
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CrimsonAvenger wrote: ↑Tue May 04, 2021 10:25 am
We seem to come back to this study and play model in every other thread. So, just out of curiosity, if ZC is to implement an obvious plan on these lines, the current Director of Cricket at ZC must be able to share enough knowledge on how it can be done. Wasn't he himself a beneficiary of going to SA for higher studies and coming back to cricket once he got the degree?
Does anyone know if and how the then ZC (ZCU) helped him (with finer details of financial aid, cricketing support, selection criteria, etc. if anyone knows it) so that that could be the bare minimum to expect?
Trying to see if we can get any info on this. Does anyone have any info on how ZCU helped Hammy and reintegrated him after his studies? One could demand that he does the same at the very least for the younger folks trying something similar...
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I'm obviously not in the know, but I doubt there was much planning. ZCU was in complete disarray after the rebel walk-out and Hami came back pretty much straight into a depleted national side after finishing university.
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