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How come Namibia doesn't have a quota but Zim/SA have?

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Namibia is a black majority country but they don't have any quotas in their team and their team is 99% white but the question is that why they dont have but SA and Zim (which is leading them to struggle)?
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CholeZimbo wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 7:36 pm

The Windies A team that has had decent management over the years and from any only black pool of players has won world cups and has produced batsmen that have been in the top 5 quite a few times. How long does it take then to build a culture of batting, not for arguments sake, how long would it take Zim to produce a culture of batting in the black pool of players? and someone mentioned that is the reality we are faced with.

anyway bottom-line, what we generally all agree on is mismanagement at ZC and the state of country will always have many of us wondering what the actual makeup of the team would be now had there been proper and equal development from schoolboy level right up to the national since the 2004 walkout.

In the short term it is clear that we are headed for disaster in the next 4 years unless something drastic happens.


I don't think it takes that long. Hamilton's kids could be good batsmen if Hamilton threw them lots of balls and they wanted to play cricket. This is a thing though, it is not as fashionable yet for black players to want to play cricket amongst their friends in Zim as play soccer or basketball for example whereas it was a primary sport for whites 10-20 years ago.

Backyard cricket helps development. So you need Hamilton's kids to be friends with Chakabva's kids or Taylor's kids and then you will have a 'culture of cricket'.

I don't see it happening on a large scale in that generation, more likely the kids of the generation of Wes and Shumba if Zim is still a ICC full member by then.

Diaspora players will be needed in the short term to cover the retirement of Taylor's generation. But I don't know if ZC will be proactive enough to recruitment them, possibly only when results look really bad, as good diaspora players wil cost money and there aren't that many available.
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Schadendorff/Murray needed to be kept on the books and trained for when chakabva and Taylor retire keeping wise cause who will there be. Schadendorff would be a good recruit back after a few years in county. Probably what will happen.

If PJ plays for Ireland there will be a serious keeper problem
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Craig Wishart 1995-2005

Format Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave

Test 27 50 1 1098 114 22.40

ODI 90 82 8 1719 172* 23.22

Stuart Carlisle 1995-2005

Test 37 66 6 1615 118 26.91

ODI 111 107 8 2740 121* 27.67

Trevor Gripper 1999-2004

Test 20 38 1 809 112 21.86

ODI 8 8 0 80 26 10.00

Barney Rogers 2002-2005

Test 4 8 0 90 29 11.25

ODI 15 15 0 478 84 31.86

Mark Vermulen 2000-2014

Test 9 18 0 449 118 24.94

ODI 43 43 4 868 92 22.25

Murray Goodwin 1998-2000

Test 19 37 4 1414 166* 42.84

ODI 71 70 3 1818 112* 27.13

Tatenda Taibu 2001-2012

Test 28 54 3 1546 153 30.31

ODI 150 137 21 3393 107* 29.25

Hamilton Masakadza 2001-2019

Test 38 76 2 2223 158 30.04

ODI 209 208 4 5658 178* 27.73

You do not really need to be white to be as average as most Zimbabwe batsmen were in their careers. Not too sure how deep Taibu and Masakadzas cricket cultures were, but they were just as good batsmen as most white batsmen ever were for Zim. Is it really a culture thing or you just need to have the talent and right resources and of course the temperament to deliver at the big stage. It really will not take generations to produce black batsmen that are as average as most white batters were.

Race did play a major part in the downfall of zim cricket. It could have been handled better and I agree it hit us at the time we had potential. Milton Shumba and Wesley have been handled well till now and they have massive potential, get better coaches play more cricket and at the end of their careers they will at least be on par with what most Zim batsmen black or white achieved.
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I don’t think there is a serious keeper issue, I think there is a serious keeper BATSMAN issue perhaps. But that’s probably what you meant and is nitpicking, but 100% someone will chime in with ‘Feelwell Mabonbo from X club in Bulawayo is a great keeper and never gives away extras’ if I don’t point that out.

You could probably convince Adam Rouse to come back for a few years at that stage. Doesn’t look like he’s kicked on for England honours, and would be perfect for a band aid transactional gig (Solomon Mire says hi) if we can’t wrap up a longer term solution in Murray, Shades or who else.

It does look like Murray is ready and willing. It just seems it’s going to take some will and a few sit downs, negotiations to get him across the line.

He may want an instant contract as reported, but I’m sure he isn’t that inflexible.He’s probably just looking for some type of financial security or whatever.

None of this ‘he wants to play for the rockbird logo or not’ attitude. Doesn’t always pass the reality test.
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CholeZimbo wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:51 am

Craig Wishart 1995-2005

Format Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave

Test 27 50 1 1098 114 22.40

ODI 90 82 8 1719 172* 23.22

Stuart Carlisle 1995-2005

Test 37 66 6 1615 118 26.91

ODI 111 107 8 2740 121* 27.67

Trevor Gripper 1999-2004

Test 20 38 1 809 112 21.86

ODI 8 8 0 80 26 10.00

Barney Rogers 2002-2005

Test 4 8 0 90 29 11.25

ODI 15 15 0 478 84 31.86

Mark Vermulen 2000-2014

Test 9 18 0 449 118 24.94

ODI 43 43 4 868 92 22.25

Murray Goodwin 1998-2000

Test 19 37 4 1414 166* 42.84

ODI 71 70 3 1818 112* 27.13

Tatenda Taibu 2001-2012

Test 28 54 3 1546 153 30.31

ODI 150 137 21 3393 107* 29.25

Hamilton Masakadza 2001-2019

Test 38 76 2 2223 158 30.04

ODI 209 208 4 5658 178* 27.73

You do not really need to be white to be as average as most Zimbabwe batsmen were in their careers. Not too sure how deep Taibu and Masakadzas cricket cultures were, but they were just as good batsmen as most white batsmen ever were for Zim. Is it really a culture thing or you just need to have the talent and right resources and of course the temperament to deliver at the big stage. It really will not take generations to produce black batsmen that are as average as most white batters were.

Race did play a major part in the downfall of zim cricket. It could have been handled better and I agree it hit us at the time we had potential. Milton Shumba and Wesley have been handled well till now and they have massive potential, get better coaches play more cricket and at the end of their careers they will at least be on par with what most Zim batsmen black or white achieved.


I’m starting to wonder if you have an agenda. That’s only half the truth.I’ll give you benefit of the doubt.

You’re comparing guys who’s regular opponents were top 4 nations. Sure they weren’t world beaters, but you know the scores these guys put up against fringe nations?

Wishart= 172*

Carlisle-= centuries against Bdesj and Oz in oz

Carlisle was offered a Sheffield shield gig for Western Australia. By far the hardest domestic comp, especially then.

He was no mug.

Of course a cricketing population of 40-60k is going to have depth problems at international level. Gripper was probably below Hammy for sure. But they did amazingly well.

Oman, UAE and these countries would have much higher amount of cricketers. Yet we are the test team.

Neighbouring Namibia can’t do what Zim did, even at our weakest player drain moment.
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CholeZimbo wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 7:36 pm

The Windies A team that has had decent management over the years and from any only black pool of players has won world cups and has produced batsmen that have been in the top 5 quite a few times.


Hang on, are the West Indies not like 90-95% black? Therefore you didn't need quotas. You just took the normal natural population. I don't see your point with this one.


ChloeZimbo wrote:it really will not take generations to produce black batsmen that are as average as most white batters were.


ZC has been run by a "black administration" for almost 20 years now and the best batsmen we've produced are still white players. How many more generations do you want to wait?

Also, as for the players you have listed, it's very selective. Also, none of those guys every lost to UAE, Singapore, Netherlands. They beat sides like India, South Africa, Pakistan, England. A few of them also went to play for strong domestic sides in top leagues in England and Australia.
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Taylor has scored ODI centuries against New Zealand (2 on the trott), South Africa in SA, Pakistan in Pakistan, Bangladesh in Bangladesh and India in a World Cup. I think you need to re-assess your idea that BT hasn't faced any meaningful opposition because he has, and he's succeeded at it
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CholeZimbo wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 8:33 am

My points.

1) On the Windies my point was to show that you do not need to be white to be a world class cricket team or batsmen also linked to the issue of white and black genetics in cricket.

2) You gents are now justifying the very low batting averages of a lot of white players based on strength of opposition. Fair point to a certain extent however not conclusive because the current best batsmen in the country have not faced such top opposition also. Based on that reasoning, Taylors average would be much lower than what it is now as he has not played any meaningful cricket against the top teams.

3) Since 2004, Zim's best batsmen have been BT, Hammy, Ervine, Taibu and Williams (We cannot keep on including batsmen that had potential and left, because those that have stayed, PJ and Burl have not been as good as even Taibu, so it is no guarantee they would be better.)

4) You will keep on trying to overlook my main point which is Zimbabwe Cricket does not have decent (because this has historically been a typical white zim batsmen. see point 2 if you insist on it being due to opposition) batsmen because of poor management and YES by a BLACK board. Taylor, Hammy, Taibu, Williams have/had talent and temperament to rise above this and are in the same league of batters.

5) Let me drive home my point. Taibu and Hammy prove the fact that zim can produce competitive black batsmen. However, we just have not seen a lot like these over the years not because the batting talent is not there amongst blacks but because of mismanagement, poor coaching right from age group cricket to have black batsmen get to Zim pre 2004 white standard batting (Which is overrated in this thread).


I don't think anyone was arguing that black batsmen can't be world class, there are plenty of examples eg Lara, sobers, Gayle. Just that Zimbabwe isn't producing them or South Africa and that the quotas arent helping produce them directly but maybe the quotas are increasing player participation generally in South Africa which MAY lead to more good cricketers there. But in Zim a winning team and good career prospects/pay would increase participation way more than quotas.

Hamilton, taibu weren't world class and it is clear Taylor, wikliams are better than them but even they aren't world class the only world star batsmen that played for zim for a long enough period was Andy flower.

Maybe taibu would of been good, but as you said we can't speculate to much on what ifs. Taibu also initially developed under a better first class and cricket system playing with strong players so he had as much chance as any of being good if the player exodus hadn't happened.
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CholeZimbo wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 8:33 am

My points.

1) On the Windies my point was to show that you do not need to be white to be a world class cricket team or batsmen also linked to the issue of white and black genetics in cricket.


You haven't understood the point.
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Zimco wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 8:47 am


CholeZimbo wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 8:33 am

My points.

1) On the Windies my point was to show that you do not need to be white to be a world class cricket team or batsmen also linked to the issue of white and black genetics in cricket.

2) You gents are now justifying the very low batting averages of a lot of white players based on strength of opposition. Fair point to a certain extent however not conclusive because the current best batsmen in the country have not faced such top opposition also. Based on that reasoning, Taylors average would be much lower than what it is now as he has not played any meaningful cricket against the top teams.

3) Since 2004, Zim's best batsmen have been BT, Hammy, Ervine, Taibu and Williams (We cannot keep on including batsmen that had potential and left, because those that have stayed, PJ and Burl have not been as good as even Taibu, so it is no guarantee they would be better.)

4) You will keep on trying to overlook my main point which is Zimbabwe Cricket does not have decent (because this has historically been a typical white zim batsmen. see point 2 if you insist on it being due to opposition) batsmen because of poor management and YES by a BLACK board. Taylor, Hammy, Taibu, Williams have/had talent and temperament to rise above this and are in the same league of batters.

5) Let me drive home my point. Taibu and Hammy prove the fact that zim can produce competitive black batsmen. However, we just have not seen a lot like these over the years not because the batting talent is not there amongst blacks but because of mismanagement, poor coaching right from age group cricket to have black batsmen get to Zim pre 2004 white standard batting (Which is overrated in this thread).


I don't think anyone was arguing that black batsmen can't be world class, there are plenty of examples eg Lara, chanderpaul , sobers, Gayle. Just that Zimbabwe isn't producing them or South Africa and that the quotas arent helping produce them directly but maybe the quotas are increasing player participation generally in South Africa which MAY lead to more good cricketers there. But in Zim a winning team and good career prospects/pay would increase participation way more than quotas.

Hamilton, taibu weren't world class and it is clear Taylor, wikliams are better than them but even they aren't world class the only world star batsmen that played for zim for a long enough period was Andy flower.

Maybe taibu would of been good, but as you said we can't speculate to much on what ifs. Taibu also initially developed under a better first class and cricket system playing with strong players so he had as much chance as any of being good if the player exodus hadn't happened.


I agree with you mostly. BT is better than Hammy and Taibu but not worlds apart. But BT is not better because he is white. I like that you mention that Taibu developed because the environment allowed him to, which has been one of my points. At the end of the day, all things equal, and the right things being done, Zim even SA can produce similarly competitive batsmen, black or white, which is my main point.
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This is what produces good batsmen no matter what ethnicity from Brian Lara's Wikipedia.

Brian is one of eleven siblings. His father Bunty and one of his older sisters Agnes Cyrus enrolled him in the local Harvard Coaching Clinic at the age of six for weekly coaching sessions on Sundays. As a result, Lara had a very early education in correct batting technique. Lara's first school was St. Joseph's Roman Catholic primary. He then went to San Juan Secondary School, which is located on Moreau Road, Lower Santa Cruz. A year later, at fourteen years old, he moved on to Fatima College where he started his development as a promising young player under cricket coach Harry Ramdass. Aged 14, he amassed 745 runs in the schoolboys' league, with an average of 126.16 per innings, which earned him selection for the Trinidad national under-16 team. When he was 15 years old, he played in his first West Indian under-19 youth tournament and that same year, Lara represented West Indies in Under-19 cricket.
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Zimco wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 9:05 am

This is what produces good batsmen no matter what ethnicity from Brian Lara's Wikipedia.

Brian is one of eleven siblings. His father Bunty and one of his older sisters Agnes Cyrus enrolled him in the local Harvard Coaching Clinic at the age of six for weekly coaching sessions on Sundays. As a result, Lara had a very early education in correct batting technique. Lara's first school was St. Joseph's Roman Catholic primary. He then went to San Juan Secondary School, which is located on Moreau Road, Lower Santa Cruz. A year later, at fourteen years old, he moved on to Fatima College where he started his development as a promising young player under cricket coach Harry Ramdass. Aged 14, he amassed 745 runs in the schoolboys' league, with an average of 126.16 per innings, which earned him selection for the Trinidad national under-16 team. When he was 15 years old, he played in his first West Indian under-19 youth tournament and that same year, Lara represented West Indies in Under-19 cricket.


I agree. And from what I know, Wesley Madhevere has an almost similar trajectory so far.
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Yeah we agree on much CholeZimbo.

1) The exodus of white players from South Africa is damaging the domestic system in South Africa which will actually hamper black batsmen being elite. Not all the right things are being done in South africa.

2) Imagine what impact someone like Andy flower could have had on Zimbabwe team or Jacque Kallis in South Africa as a batting coach. The exodus of former player coaches is another serious impediment. Indian former players love to give back to India as do Ausi players love coaching Australia.

"I wasn’t allowed to be involved with South Africa because Cricket South Africa said there would be no more white consultants," Kallis told a group of journalists over a video call. "So, unfortunately, that fell away and this opportunity of helping England came about and I took it with both hands.

This is ridiculous and should make any cricket fan or person angry. Clear racism, surprised we haven't heard more about it. Imagine if it was the other way in the UK. We sure heard about Carberry claiming racism in the UK system but the equivalent in South Africa gets little airtime. This is the government interference the ICc should stamp out also employment law
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ZIMDOGGY wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:56 am

I don’t think there is a serious keeper issue, I think there is a serious keeper BATSMAN issue perhaps. But that’s probably what you meant and is nitpicking, but 100% someone will chime in with ‘Feelwell Mabonbo from X club in Bulawayo is a great keeper and never gives away extras’ if I don’t point that out.

You could probably convince Adam Rouse to come back for a few years at that stage. Doesn’t look like he’s kicked on for England honours, and would be perfect for a band aid transactional gig (Solomon Mire says hi) if we can’t wrap up a longer term solution in Murray, Shades or who else.

It does look like Murray is ready and willing. It just seems it’s going to take some will and a few sit downs, negotiations to get him across the line.

He may want an instant contract as reported, but I’m sure he isn’t that inflexible.He’s probably just looking for some type of financial security or whatever.

None of this ‘he wants to play for the rockbird logo or not’ attitude. Doesn’t always pass the reality test.


People don't sit around for ever Zimdoggy.
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Having those former players who were great would be massive! exactly what is needed. Wes and PJ are not going to be the next Lara under Matsikenyeri.

ZC just like the country, are in situations that they cannot dig themselves out of for a long long time.

On the side gents and of course knowing no one at ZC even cares.

A solution in the next 5-10 years to save this dying game in the country, would it not help for ZC to start identifying a few young talents at each age group and have academies like the one Taibu had a few years ago, Rising stars or something like that. Send these kids for some time in a year to play in top countries at each age group to gain experience and exposure to top pace and spin and also bowl to better batsmen. Graduates then split between this and First Class and Zim 'A'. This imo will be faster in exposing real talent to rigours of international cricket than having 100 lads playing domestic cricket and having to choose the best out of very midiocre cricketers.
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CholeZimbo wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 9:35 am

Having those former players who were great would be massive! exactly what is needed. Wes and PJ are not going to be the next Lara under Matsikenyeri.

ZC just like the country, are in situations that they cannot dig themselves out of for a long long time.

On the side gents and of course knowing no one at ZC even cares.

A solution in the next 5-10 years to save this dying game in the country, would it not help for ZC to start identifying a few young talents at each age group and have academies like the one Taibu had a few years ago, Rising stars or something like that. Send these kids for some time in a year to play in top countries at each age group to gain experience and exposure to top pace and spin and also bowl to better batsmen. Graduates then split between this and First Class and Zim 'A'. This imo will be faster in exposing real talent to rigours of international cricket than having 100 lads playing domestic cricket and having to choose the best out of very midiocre cricketers.


This is just my opinion, and I copped some backlash fir saying it a few years back, but sending these teens on tours is kind of like a meat market for english county and club sides to cherry pick players to come there, and for the kids themselves to look for opportunities.

Since i said that, we lost Blessing to 'em, and there was a strong rumour Taibu was negotiating players out as an unofficial agent. So i think i was proven right.

it can still be done, but keep the tours brief, RS was a whole season or something and it gave the kids an opportunity to get comfortable and blend in a bit.
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ZIMDOGGY wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:05 am


CholeZimbo wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 9:35 am

Having those former players who were great would be massive! exactly what is needed. Wes and PJ are not going to be the next Lara under Matsikenyeri.

ZC just like the country, are in situations that they cannot dig themselves out of for a long long time.

On the side gents and of course knowing no one at ZC even cares.

A solution in the next 5-10 years to save this dying game in the country, would it not help for ZC to start identifying a few young talents at each age group and have academies like the one Taibu had a few years ago, Rising stars or something like that. Send these kids for some time in a year to play in top countries at each age group to gain experience and exposure to top pace and spin and also bowl to better batsmen. Graduates then split between this and First Class and Zim 'A'. This imo will be faster in exposing real talent to rigours of international cricket than having 100 lads playing domestic cricket and having to choose the best out of very midiocre cricketers.


This is just my opinion, and I copped some backlash fir saying it a few years back, but sending these teens on tours is kind of like a meat market for english county and club sides to cherry pick players to come there, and for the kids themselves to look for opportunities.

Since i said that, we lost Blessing to 'em, and there was a strong rumour Taibu was negotiating players out as an unofficial agent. So i think i was proven right.

it can still be done, but keep the tours brief, RS was a whole season or something and it gave the kids an opportunity to get comfortable and blend in a bit.


Yeah but blessing came back a better player. I have no problem players playing county, UK club for a few years.

The thing is with our budget of millions of US (what is it like 5 million?) for the top 11 players the money should be enough that they don't need to consider playing UK county or we can steal them back after some county before they qualify for UK. Eg 150,000 us per player. That's like 1.65 million, it still leaves a lot of the rest of the budget over for a small admin staff, coaching. ICC renovate our stadiums every few years anyway.

I would like to see a budget. Budgets should be available to the public as these teams are national goods. The problem is that UK county pays more than a national team. ZC have the budget to play national players more than county.

Zimbabwe receives $94 million in the ICC's current cycle from 2016-23, compared to India's $405 million and England's $139 million. “We know our place in world cricket and plan and budget around that,” Mukuhlani said.14 Feb 2021.

94 million usd for seven years is plenty for us.
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CholeZimbo wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 9:35 am

Yeah but blessing came back a better player. I have no problem players playing county, UK club for a few years.


Blessing would still be there now, and long into the future, if the Kolpak system hadn't ended due to Brexit. He had no intention of coming back and playing for Zim otherwise. The end of Kolpak is a good thing. It makes it harder for black players in particular to leave to the UK - most don't have foreign citizenship and most won't be able to put in years of residence (like Muyeye has).


I would like to see a budget. Budgets should be available to the public as these teams are national goods. The problem is that UK county pays more than a national team. ZC have the budget to play national players more than county.


ZC paid BT & Jarvis a lot more than their county deals when they first came back. The money is, and always has been, there.

Where the f**k all of ZC's money gets siphoned off to, we'll never know exactly. But there are some people walking around our country with very very heavy pockets thats for sure.
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Zimco wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:27 am


ZIMDOGGY wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:05 am


CholeZimbo wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 9:35 am

Having those former players who were great would be massive! exactly what is needed. Wes and PJ are not going to be the next Lara under Matsikenyeri.

it can still be done, but keep the tours brief, RS was a whole season or something and it gave the kids an opportunity to get comfortable and blend in a bit.


After closely monitoring talent from U13, Each year select 15 players to get scholarships to go and play cricket in India, Pak, Aus, SA, England at decent clubs/counties/franchises, Even their B teams. Ideally one kid from age 19 right up to 23 would have been sent to a team in each of these countries and played a minimum number of games under these various conditions. Maybe in between they come together and also play for Zim 'A'. The idea being having a 23 to 24 year old graduating ready to play for Zim at International level. If studying further is a concern, those who are really keen on it can be assisted to get into decent online universities etc. After 23 you are required to play for Zim if selected and also play domestic cricket.

This is a kind of scholarship every kid from U13 should be aspiring to attain.

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CholeZimbo wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 8:33 am

My points.

1) On the Windies my point was to show that you do not need to be white to be a world class cricket team or batsmen also linked to the issue of white and black genetics in cricket.

2) You gents are now justifying the very low batting averages of a lot of white players based on strength of opposition. Fair point to a certain extent however not conclusive because the current best batsmen in the country have not faced such top opposition also. Based on that reasoning, Taylors average would be much lower than what it is now as he has not played any meaningful cricket against the top teams.

3) Since 2004, Zim's best batsmen have been BT, Hammy, Ervine, Taibu and Williams (We cannot keep on including batsmen that had potential and left, because those that have stayed, PJ and Burl have not been as good as even Taibu, so it is no guarantee they would be better.)

4) You will keep on trying to overlook my main point which is Zimbabwe Cricket does not have decent (because this has historically been a typical white zim batsmen. see point 2 if you insist on it being due to opposition) batsmen because of poor management and YES by a BLACK board. Taylor, Hammy, Taibu, Williams have/had talent and temperament to rise above this and are in the same league of batters.

5) Let me drive home my point. Taibu and Hammy prove the fact that zim can produce competitive black batsmen. However, we just have not seen a lot like these over the years not because the batting talent is not there amongst blacks but because of mismanagement, poor coaching right from age group cricket to have black batsmen get to Zim pre 2004 white standard batting (Which is overrated in this thread).


1) Genetics does not only mean skin colour. If that were the case, then white people all over the world would be amazing at football, but you don't see any whites from Africa dominating the sport. The West Indies is different to the African black. I don't think anyone is saying blacks can't be good or successful, but Zim hasn't really shown that as most of Zims top players have all tended to be white.

2) Saying Taylor has not played meaningful cricket is blasphemy. As Sloan has said, he has scored centuries against the top nations, not just at home, but away too. He also was pivotal in our first T20 win against Aus. Taylor has also been better at converting his 50s in to 100s. There is a reason he got a county contract and plenty of plaudits after the 2015 World Cup.

We agree that the management has been poor, but poor management has not stopped the like of Taylor, Ervine and Williams from pushing on and showing their quality to be our best batsmen, so why haven't others done so in the same way, especially as they were given favouritism and all the benefits from the board.
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