Just thought of putting up this random thing. Who according to you are those unfortunate Zimbabweans to never get an international cap, but deserved it? Let us stick to post test induction, i.e., 1992.
You can mention those who got ODI caps but not Test caps for those who deserved test caps too, and vice versa as well. But the best would be to highlight those who never got an international look in.
I'm sure we have had this discussion before in different contexts, but this thread would help. And specially those who saw local matches would have good inputs I guess...
The thoughts came about because of the current surge in talent in India. Batsmen like Amol Muzumdar and Devendra Bundela not playing for India ever was sad, but they arrived on scene when the batting lineup was jam packed with legends. Really good spinners like K Gowtham and Shreyas Gopal (a very good batsman too) might never get a look in due to the incumbents and the bench strength.
Have there been such heart breaking stories in Zim Cricket?
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First name that comes to my mind is Ian Engelbrecht -- although he only had a brief career we do not have many left-arm spinners with a FC career average of 20, at a time when the Flowers and co. where playing in the Logan Cup. Ray Price was already in the team, though, and I think an injury and/or job commitments plus the troubles of the early noughties never saw him fulfil his potential.
Another player who probably would have played for Zim after the exodus of the white players was Wisdom Siziba (RIP), but he also left the country and died prematurely in SA.
Another player who probably would have played for Zim after the exodus of the white players was Wisdom Siziba (RIP), but he also left the country and died prematurely in SA.
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Ryan Butterworth? went on the tour to Bangladesh but never got a game.
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I’ll mention a couple but these are just from the stats I keep. I never saw them play, so talent & politics aside, they are worth a noting.
Ed Rainsford & Trevor Garwe have the most LC wickets without getting a test call up. They did get ODI recognition.
Tino Mutumdodzi ( no tests but ODIs) & Kevin Kasuza have been around a while & certainly had positive comments in the last 12 months. Kasuza has yet to get a call up in any format.
Going right back, Donald Campbell was a LC stalwart without any honours. Mind you, as a keeper, he was behind Andy Flower & Wayne James. His batting wasn’t really up to scratch.
I’ll throw in Trevor Penney. He played in the inaugural LC fc season & returned at the same time as Goodwin, Johnson & Huckle were recruited. I know he had a solid county cricket career so I don’t know if that was compromised if he gained international honours.
Ed Rainsford & Trevor Garwe have the most LC wickets without getting a test call up. They did get ODI recognition.
Tino Mutumdodzi ( no tests but ODIs) & Kevin Kasuza have been around a while & certainly had positive comments in the last 12 months. Kasuza has yet to get a call up in any format.
Going right back, Donald Campbell was a LC stalwart without any honours. Mind you, as a keeper, he was behind Andy Flower & Wayne James. His batting wasn’t really up to scratch.
I’ll throw in Trevor Penney. He played in the inaugural LC fc season & returned at the same time as Goodwin, Johnson & Huckle were recruited. I know he had a solid county cricket career so I don’t know if that was compromised if he gained international honours.
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Yeah, Penney obviously in the top rank.
But with no availability issues, Kasuza is a decent pick for this one.
But with no availability issues, Kasuza is a decent pick for this one.
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Yes, Trevor Penney could not have played for Zimbabwe without compromising his county career. But he used to come back during the English off-season, play and coach, and bring plenty of scarce and much-needed cricket equipment with him. Unlike Graeme Hick, who as far as I know after walking out on Zimbabwe cricket never lifted a finger to help cricket in the country which had given him such a brilliant start in the game.
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Yeah, hard to look beyond Trevor Penney for this one.
I did get reminded of Ryan Butterworth too. I have always had a soft corner for Admire Manyumwa in this regard as well. And what about Brighton Mugochi?
And yes, someone like Edward Rainsford not getting a test cap is criminal.
I did get reminded of Ryan Butterworth too. I have always had a soft corner for Admire Manyumwa in this regard as well. And what about Brighton Mugochi?
And yes, someone like Edward Rainsford not getting a test cap is criminal.
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I'm looking more towards under 19 stars who gave it away
Malcolm Lake
Andy Durham
Glen Querl*
Dylon Higgins
Kuda Samunderu
Malcolm Lake
Andy Durham
Glen Querl*
Dylon Higgins
Kuda Samunderu
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Ed Rainsford not getting a test cap is outrageous. Sean Davies who played 4 ODIs in 1996, including at the CWC would have done well in tests also. He seemingly didn't get on with the senior figures in the side and walked away from Zimbabwean cricket.
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jaybro wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 12:35 am
I'm looking more towards under 19 stars who gave it away
Malcolm Lake
Andy Durham
Glen Querl*
Dylon Higgins
Kuda Samunderu
But most of them had to turn out for the franchises long enough to get to contention first. As things stand, they did not first make a case for themselves for national selection, so not as heartbreaking as say a Penney, Butterworth, Mugochi, Manuymwa or Engelbrecht.
Definitely heard a lot about Durham and Samunderu though. They possibly did have what it took to be in the top league. Querl fizzled out due to his own chucking issues anyway.
What do people think about the Soma brothers and Neeten Chouhan? They must have been good enough for some ODI caps at least?
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Doesn't quite meet the criteria, but it is a shame Andy Waller only played two tests for Zimbabwe, despite playing 39 ODIs.
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eugene wrote: ↑Wed Apr 25, 2018 2:05 pm
Doesn't quite meet the criteria, but it is a shame Andy Waller only played two tests for Zimbabwe, despite playing 39 ODIs.
True. But that will open up a can of worms. Many cases like that. Barney Rogers, Sean Ervine, Niel Ferreira, Brighton Watambwa, Everton Matambanadzo, Trevor Madondo ... Even Wayne James for that matter.
So, some of these cases came to my mind when framing the original post, but kept them out to unearth those who were completely unlucky.
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The difference with Waller is that his career wasn't cut short by political upheaval, he just seemingly never made the test cut.
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Wasnt it ozias bvute who called time on neil ferrairs career in 2005 along with wishart and carlisle? I seem to remember a article
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Rogers was also badly burnt by ZC. He committed at a time when players were striking left right and center and he was eventually just thrown out in the cold
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Rogers did well as an opener which makes his loss all the more bad.
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brmtaylor.com admin wrote: ↑Thu Apr 26, 2018 10:52 am
Butterworth, I reckon.
Alan Butcher said, in his book, that they took Butterworth to Bangladesh in 2010 based on his domestci T20 and Coca Cola Pro 50 form. I think, if i remember correctly, that the reason they didn't select him was due to how he looked in the nets. Butcher actaully said that they soon realised he wasn't international material, and he was quickly discarded.
It's a shame but if the head coach doesn't rate you then there's absolutely no chance of getting selected I guess.
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Probably the unluckiest of all the guys who did get a cap was Roy Kaia. Got a chance to play in that one ODI in the high risk Pakistan tour of 2015. Did not get to bowl when Pak batted, and the malfunctioning flood lights at Lahore meant that the Zim innings was cut short after 9 overs and he never had to come out to bat either. And never got anywhere near the squad after that. His selection into the playing XI that day was in itself a surprising move but was forced by a few last minute injuries I suppose.
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sloandog wrote: ↑Thu Apr 26, 2018 12:51 pm
brmtaylor.com admin wrote: ↑Thu Apr 26, 2018 10:52 am
Butterworth, I reckon.
Alan Butcher said, in his book, that they took Butterworth to Bangladesh in 2010 based on his domestci T20 and Coca Cola Pro 50 form. I think, if i remember correctly, that the reason they didn't select him was due to how he looked in the nets. Butcher actaully said that they soon realised he wasn't international material, and he was quickly discarded.
It's a shame but if the head coach doesn't rate you then there's absolutely no chance of getting selected I guess.
Ya but he’s right, I know cricket is not played in the nets, but you can see in a few deliveries if someone has the capacity to go up a level.
I can see if a Junior is going to be half decent by how he puts his pads on and how he holds his bat when he’s walking into the net.
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