Who is Muyeye?

Kriterion_BD wrote: ↑Sun Jan 03, 2021 11:31 pm

I keep hearing everyone drop his name on the forums recently. Who exactly is he and how good is he? Is he the next Gary Ballance or the next Brendon Taylor? Is he is as good as Madhevere? How would he compare with an Ervine or Williams?

Won the school boy cricketer of the year in England, that says enough really.

There are videos of him batting somewhere on the web, looks a delight to watch. Googly has been talking him up for years and he rates him better than anyone else coming through.

Kriterion_BD wrote: ↑Sun Jan 03, 2021 11:31 pm

I keep hearing everyone drop his name on the forums recently. Who exactly is he and how good is he? Is he the next Gary Ballance or the next Brendon Taylor? Is he is as good as Madhevere? How would he compare with an Ervine or Williams?

You can't accurately predict how a player will go in FC, and a really good FC player may not cut it at the next level, but I've watched this young man at schoolboy level and he's a freak.

I know guys who've seen him in the nets at Sussex, Surrey and Notts (yup everyone is taking a look) facing their front line bowlers and they all say he's hugely impressive.

That's an interesting comment that he has family there and he's interested in a County career. That would imply he has a shorter route into it. I don't see that otherwise surely we'd have seen him in Two's last season? They're very occasionally a bit more flexible in Two's than the regulations indicate. They stopped most guys playing Two's that weren't England eligible about 18 months ago.

Hes the most talented stroke player we've ever seen in this country at schoolboy level. That's a big statement.

He is obviously going to get his degree behind him and then look at his options. He may well be doing a 4 year degree because he's hugely bright and it will be something high powered, if memory serves its mechanical or chemical engineering.

I don't think these counties would be taking a look if he's still got to do his 5 years for citizenship, it doesn't add up.

He was on a Tier 5 and not one day of that counts towards citizenship.

Are they just curious to see how good he is or does he have an easier route to citizenship?

Its not inconceivable that they'd consider signing him as an overseas, highly unlikely but not impossible. They can now play 2 in red ball but I'm assuming they can sign as many as they like. Someone may well believe he's good enuf to take a punt on. Maybe they can sign him, he gets the odd game and they let him do his time on a different visa? Thats a 5 year investment which is not likely, but you never know...

You don't manufacture Mueyeye's, they come along once in a while only.

If he decides to do a 4 year degree without playing first class cricket. He will never be a star. That simple really.

It’s up to him if he wants I be the next Hamilton Masakadza or Brian Lara. He can’t have it both.

If it was only a choice between becoming a mechanical engineer and playing for Zim that would not be a big decision financially.

40 years as an engineer vs 10 years as a Zim cricketer earning what exactly? They have made it clear that the 20k a month salaries are out the window. He'd be lucky to be earning 500 a month per 6 months for the first couple of years, then possibly 2-5k a month for the remaining 8 years if he was really lucky. He'd be hoping for T20 gigs to top up.

Are the centrally contracted guys on 6 month deals as well?

Is that a stupid question?

There's no financial security in cricket anywhere, but Zim has to be near the bottom of that list. If we hadn't lost that extra 5m a year, with decent admin it would be a different prospect entirely.

I've been accused of saying 2021 is doomsday, but the one thing I am willing to stick my neck out over is there's no danger we're lasting 10 years as a full member.

He could gamble making a name for himself here and going back as an overseas, that's a real possibility. He would have to fire on the international stage of course.

He could also gamble on firing in some T20 internationals and becoming a gun for hire like Pollard and Samuels.

He certainly has some options.

If he comes running back as a youngster without having established himself he's at ZC's mercy. Unless you have a card to play they're going to bend you over. They've looked after a couple of senior guys here, and not necessarily for the right reasons, and unfortunately there's that mentality of "we're earning more than the other guys so it must be ok."

The bulk of the players here have been beaten into submission and are grateful for a bone, its sad. Players are a necessary evil they have to deal with in order to keep the gravy flowing. If they considered them assets and not liabilities they'd be actively trying to get guys like Muyeye back here and they'd have made a lot more effort to retain decent u19 players. Young Schardendorf trained for two years with 2 U19 squads, played one WC and they waved goodbye. He got snapped up by a big county in 3 days 😂

They should hire a guy just to point out the good players because they cant seem to tell. Dollar got the nod ahead of him in the previous WC and it was clear as day to anyone with a pair of eyes who was the guy with real ability.

Blessing's contract would tell a story. I think he lost his county contract as they weren't going to retain him as an overseas so he had no option but to return. He's a young guy and they're definitely less inclined to give a young guy decent cash because he's got no dependants and they will use the excuse that he's got time.

I was doing some calculations on what Sam Curran must be worth and I reckon it's not far off £3.5m and he's 22. As a batsman there's probably not much in it between him, Muyeye, Byrom, Welch and Madhevere. Its a game of millimeters and those millimeters are worth millions to selectors that know what they're doing.

Donald wrote: ↑Mon Jan 04, 2021 6:17 pm

I don't think muyeye will play for Zimbabwe

He is very critical of the Zimbabwe government on his Twitter handle for a start which probably won't go down too well if he ever did have aspirations

That made me read all his posts, thanks! 😂

Yeah you're right, he speaks his mind, that's boosted my high opinion of him even further.

If ZC were half competent we wouldn’t have this problem

BT will never renegotiate his same package and Blessing would not have got KJ's deal. Chemical Engineering in particular is harder than a medical degree, mechanical is less so but still bloody hard.

Welch and Evans did a Sports Science degree which is not particularly taxing.

I believe Evans' Uni was paid for by Eastbourne Old Boys and I'd guess Muyeye will be the same. Eastbourne Old boys mostly funded the 5 storey indoor state of the art £50 million indoor sports facility that has just been completed at the school.

The money at these schools and the support they receive from their Old Boys Associations is just plain scary.

Millfield gets £80 million a year in school fees alone. You can do a lot with that kind of cash.

TapsC2 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 04, 2021 11:56 pm

As I have always said before Madhevere was just the most prepared for the big stage in that age group. Watch him develop into the real deal and then watch the golden child come back after 5 years and try establish himself. No matter what they say about county cricket you can’t replicate facing Rashid Khan on a dust bowl in the Middle East or going to face the Aussies in Australia fighting for just a miracle 10 points. County exposes you to 1 set of conditions.Cricket isn’t a part time hobby. If money is what you are thinking about at 18 instead of trying to become the best then your mindset is already off

The fact that Muyeye is being seen in various County net sessions surely means he has a plan? Interestingly Counties are also very much under pressure to produce black players and Muyeye will be a wet dream. There's actually a clause in the Home Office regs that allows players in any sport to get a fast track citizenship, but that's if the person is required for an England side, which is not the case with Muyeye.

If he already has family there its very possible he has an easier route towards citizenship. He has to get off that Tier 5 for starters, if he hasn't already. The ECB are really strict now and you need a citizenship to play even County Two's. They'll allow a player some latitude to play a few "trial" games without citizenship but then they pull the rug.

Maybe he's making political statements and then applies for asylum?

Even an indefinite leave to remain is now not enough for County twos. Its a grey area and ripe for a court case because ILTR (Home Office) allows you to work unhindered in the UK but ECB regs contradict it. No-one will take them on because once you p**s them off they'll target you. They have a couple of people there who's sole job appears to be winkling out ineligible players, they're evil 😂

Players naively phone them to check their eligibility thinking they'll get sound advice and its basically a case of gotcha!!

TapsC2 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 04, 2021 11:56 pm

As I have always said before Madhevere was just the most prepared for the big stage in that age group. Watch him develop into the real deal and then watch the golden child come back after 5 years and try establish himself. No matter what they say about county cricket you can’t replicate facing Rashid Khan on a dust bowl in the Middle East or going to face the Aussies in Australia fighting for just a miracle 10 points. County exposes you to 1 set of conditions.Cricket isn’t a part time hobby. If money is what you are thinking about at 18 instead of trying to become the best then your mindset is already off

You are right.

There’s nothing wrong with wanting to do the Walter White degree- but it is absolutely moronic to do it then Jump into cricket for ten years then jump into the workforce. Talk about horse before the cart!

If he wants to play cricket. He needs to develop now. This is a critical time in youth development. He will only be a decent player until age 35 then may be able to hang on for a few years beyond that but probably done by 38.

He would have forgotten his degree by then. I can’t remember s**t about my degree 13 years ago and I’m not 38.

His play should be to go hard at cricket. Who knows. He might be good enough to set himself for life by age 30. If not he can pursue the degree part time in the back end of his career or do it at the commencement of his career whenever that will be.

Going to uni at age 35 is no different to going at 19.

I touched on this before but this decision will be the difference for him as a player being either Alistair Cook or Alistair Maragwede.

Googly wrote: ↑Tue Jan 05, 2021 6:41 am

Players naively phone them to check their eligibility thinking they'll get sound advice and its basically a case of gotcha!!

This is how it works with a lot of visa related stuff I noticed.

They probably learnt it from the yanks. They ask you to declare things they can’t really check on a practical level and use it to get ya.

Once you tick that box that says you have been down for drugs or the crime question on the esta, which you need to visit the country, you inadvertently ban yourself for life. All automated. When you’re just trying to be honest.

The funniest one was when an 80 year old white guy from country NSW ticked ‘yes’ to the question ‘do you plan on engaging in terrorist activities’ (yes they ask that) by accident and got on every watchdog radar and cousins overturn his ban from the USA