3rd T20 | Zimbabwe V/s Pakistan | Rawalpindi

ZIMFAN wrote: ↑Wed Nov 11, 2020 1:06 pm

When did you move to Aussie Dogg? Was it Luke McLean?

I actually moved to a very nice part of Eastern Europe a year ago.

Wasnt Luke Mclean, was someone with the initials SB. played 7s too I believe.

He was a decent player but i played with alot bigger talents who disappeared or never made it so not sure how he did it. However i suspect its because he stayed in Union whereas most talent try to make it in league in sydney and only go back to Union when they fail, and if they have no name in either sports union dont want them.

CrimsonAvenger wrote: ↑Wed Nov 11, 2020 1:28 pm

Mr Twig wrote: ↑Wed Nov 11, 2020 12:25 pm

Chamu is still only interim captain isn't he? Clearly isn't worthy of being in the side let alone captain.

Yup, only interim till Maruma finds form with a domestic 50 and be heralded as a "young" captain to take Zimbabwe to the next level

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I’d rather Chigumbura coaching than some random former club cricketer like Stan Tamoni or what ever his name is. In the end of the day unless ZC can attract overseas coaches they will have to make do with former players.

Chigumbura has played lots and lots of cricket and he’s been around for ever, I’m not saying he’d make a good coach but he’s got as much chance to make a good coach as any other former cricketer.

zimbos_05 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 12, 2020 12:24 am

I don't buy this. Unless you are talking about it in a different context.

However, if from an international context I don't buy it. We have had years where we played so much cricket and we still sucked. More cricket does not instantly make you a better team. It's a nice argument to use, especially for ZC, but it's stupid when you consider ZC can't even organise a domestic comp or have proper structures in place, and regardless of how much cricket we play, they still pick the same old crap.

Chigs is bound to get some sort of gig in the boys club. I agree that until we can attract top international talent, we have to make do with local guys, but I'm sure there are local guys who have been doing the gig for years and proven their worth, but just are not one of the boys. I think you guys spoke of Brent and a few others if im not mistaken. I'm not too sure on the local scene.

The more you do something the better you get at it, this rule applies to almost anything in life.

The more cricket that is played in Zimbabwe at all levels can only improve things

jaybro wrote: ↑Wed Nov 11, 2020 10:28 pm

I’d rather Chigumbura coaching than some random former club cricketer like Stan Tamoni or what ever his name is. In the end of the day unless ZC can attract overseas coaches they will have to make do with former players.

Chigumbura has played lots and lots of cricket and he’s been around for ever, I’m not saying he’d make a good coach but he’s got as much chance to make a good coach as any other former cricketer.

Yeah, but that argument is a double edged sword. We've all seen the glorious impact of the "internationally experienced" Douglas Hondo.

Also, if the rumor is to be believed, why the Goats? They have been successful domestically with the coaching stints of Brent and then the hard working Shepherd Makunura. What message does that send to Makunura?

jaybro wrote: ↑Wed Nov 11, 2020 10:28 pm

I’d rather Chigumbura coaching than some random former club cricketer like Stan Tamoni or what ever his name is. In the end of the day unless ZC can attract overseas coaches they will have to make do with former players.

Chigumbura has played lots and lots of cricket and he’s been around for ever, I’m not saying he’d make a good coach but he’s got as much chance to make a good coach as any other former cricketer.

My gripe is not that he wants to be a coach, for the reasons you stated.

I don't think it's best practice at all to jump straight into a domestic head coaching role. There's a pathway a coach should cross.

Can you imagine Darius Boyd being a head coach next year at an NRL club? That's an apt analogy as a once gifted player who's been crap the last couple of years and not known for his mental strength or tactical knowledge.

My second point is an expansion of that^

I'd put Elton in the club of a lot of zimbo's who succumb to mental pressure easily. He isn't as bad as a Vusi, but this is a guy who was all downhill after age 23.

How can that be translating to a good coach if you got worse the longer you went and more experienced you got?

Compare to someone like Ervine who was half the player Elton was 10 years ago to what he is now. That's a learning curve you'd expect.

It's a gripe I have with a lot of black Zimbo's to be honest. It feels to me once the weekly wage comes in the quest for excellence stops. They plateau, get worse and almost always gain weight problems. The last bit is the clue that it isn't all in my head.

I think that Elton should start as a club coach or an assistant domestic coach, or help the kids in some capacity. Let him learn the ropes of what coaching entails.

Zimco wrote: ↑Wed Nov 11, 2020 3:23 pm

If you don't mind me asking Zimdoggy, what were your reasons for leaving aus/go to Eastern europe?

My girlfriend lives here. Thought I'd give it a crack.

And to be honest even if we broke up, the talent here is unreal. Even a simple bus ride or trip to the corner store becomes a very pleasant experience. Where I am is known as a model factory.

Tall blondes with huge juggs is me all over.

Also I really really do not like sun and heat. Always been that way. Australia is perfect for sun and beach but I've had too much of it. I like snow and cold.

I'm also ethnically half Russian so I think it's in the blood.

Once the Corona passes the short term plan would be to spend half the time in both countries (make no mistake, apart from the reason I listed Australia is 100% better) and luckily for me I can now work completely remotely so could work anywhere as long as I keep my American customers happy.

TapsC2 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 12, 2020 9:18 am

Just because you were a good player doesn’t mean you have a good understanding of the game. Very few Zimbabwe captains even show the slightest bit of innovation and thinking outside the box. Elton didn’t when he was captain. I don’t think he will be a good coach. They should get him an admin job .

Tino Mawoyo is an example of somebody you can tell has a good understanding of the game and I think would make a good coach even though he wasn’t one of our best players

Yeah I was thinking Tino Mawoyo as well.

Tino wasn't really that naturally gifted either yet still carved out a career he shouldn't have had. Similar to Gary Brent in a way who did well despite being a 115 km/he bowler.

That's who you want as a coach.

Players who didn't have the physical gifts but made up for it between the ears.

Another factor is Elton might be a bit too close to the players to pop up as a coach anytime soon.

In the nineties there was a good NRL player who was forced to retire in his mid twenties because of neck injuries. He popped up 3 or so years later as his teams head coach but was a massive failure. He went on for better honours later in his career and is still coaching, but his initial failure was widely publicised as he was too close to the players who saw him as one of them as they played with him a few years earlier for a few years. He didn't have the respect in a coaching capacity.

Imagine Craig getting tips from him who is younger and not as good a player as he is?

Or BT who was in all his age group sides and probably spent years giving him advice and tips?

Zimco wrote: ↑Thu Nov 12, 2020 3:09 pm

ZIMDOGGY wrote: ↑Thu Nov 12, 2020 7:59 am

Zimco wrote: ↑Wed Nov 11, 2020 3:23 pm

If you don't mind me asking Zimdoggy, what were your reasons for leaving aus/go to Eastern europe?

My girlfriend lives here. Thought I'd give it a crack.

And to be honest even if we broke up, the talent here is unreal. Even a simple bus ride or trip to the corner store becomes a very pleasant experience. Where I am is known as a model factory.

Tall blondes with huge juggs is me all over.

Also I really really do not like sun and heat. Always been that way. Australia is perfect for sun and beach but I've had too much of it. I like snow and cold.

I'm also ethnically half Russian so I think it's in the blood.

Once the Corona passes the short term plan would be to spend half the time in both countries (make no mistake, apart from the reason I listed Australia is 100% better) and luckily for me I can now work completely remotely so could work anywhere as long as I keep my American customers happy.

Good for you zimdoggy 😀 yeah as good as Australia is it's not really working out for me, I think I'm gonna give the UK a try. Also Perth is limiting for someone In their 20s.

Where are you from and how come it's not working out?

I do foresee me return to Oz at some point. Could be next year. Could be a couple of years etc

kudet wrote: ↑Wed Nov 11, 2020 5:43 pm

sloandog wrote: ↑Wed Nov 11, 2020 12:27 pm

Mawoyo said on commentary that Elton is looking to get into coaching, to give back to ZC.

Essentially what he's saying is they're going to award him with a position in the club, much like Hondo, Matskinyeri, Masakadza and Utseya.

Annoys me immensely because there's a clear bias towards these guys who, in an ideal world, would struggle to be an assistant coach of a county second XI. I understand we are not blessed with healthy finances and can not lay out what England and other countries pay, but if you were an average international player yourself, how can we expect these guys to bring on the next generation.

The little Birds are saying that he is the new goats head coach. question is does he even have an ECB level 3 or its just a Jobs for the boys scenario. We will see.

That would make sense, ZC want Shephard to go and coach the Southern Rocks as that is where he is from. ZC offered Brent the Southern Rocks job for very little money and Brent still has kids in school in Harare so he turned it down.

Zimco wrote: ↑Thu Nov 12, 2020 3:43 pm

ZIMDOGGY wrote: ↑Thu Nov 12, 2020 3:18 pm

Zimco wrote: ↑Thu Nov 12, 2020 3:09 pm

Good for you zimdoggy 😀 yeah as good as Australia is it's not really working out for me, I think I'm gonna give the UK a try. Also Perth is limiting for someone In their 20s.

Where are you from and how come it's not working out?

I do foresee me return to Oz at some point. Could be next year. Could be a couple of years etc

From Zim originally, lived in aus for 10 years or so. Low to Mid 20s in age. No kids/girlfriend. Job wise, I am doing food delivery apping atm.

I may go play club cricket in UK and live there for 2 years on youth mobility visa. Better opportunities degree wise in uk I think, plus Perth is quite isolated). I could go teach in Asia though as I used to teach English online.

Bloody Corona has really screwed me. I was meant to be playing for a club in UK this year but fell through. I guess thats why I'm also doing delivery atm. I have played a season in UK in 2019 when visiting and averaged 60 (admittedly not the highest league) so it's whether I give it another go.

Try the East coast before doing that though. While other exciting world in Sydney, Melbs and the Gold Coast among others.

Perth is pretty isolated. Although it's good for Africa/Euro/Bali flights.

Prestigious universities there too. Sydney Uni is next to Newtown and the City and UNSW is sort of near the beach.

Uk is a corona mess atm.

England is like Australia, just colder, rainier and older and more historic. Beware London though it's the only place in the world I've ever felt unsafe after dark.

If you want to teach English do it remotely. A lot of companies teach chinks via laptop and that was before the corona thing went down.

Go to the Gold Coast or Byron bay and work online is my advice.

Moving overseas can be tough at times.

Again just to clarify I'm not saying Elton will become a good/ great coach, I'm just saying he has as much right to get into coaching as any other ex-player in Zimbabwe, and he has the potential to be as good as any other coach in Zimbabwe.

I agree he shouldn't be moved straight into a franchise head role, but again that's more of a reflection of the financial issues of ZC that there probably aren't any better options