Bangladesh in Pakistan 2020 | Test series

I think its necessary to have different standards and criteria for different sets of players based on the most likely contribution he is likely to make. So for example, if a young talented player (eg Mosaddek) were to get out for a duck or hit a well composed 50, one should interpret it differently than if an older, less talented player (eg Mithun) got a duck or hit a well composed 50. The reason is that with Mithun a 63 represents the best score he is liekly to make, given the hundreds of domestic and international innings behind him as evidence.

Take Vusi Sibanda as an example. He's one of the most talented Zimbabwe batters since the rebel saga of 2004. But what are the chances he would score a Test century in Dhaka this month? Contrast that to the likelyhood of BRMT scoring a hundred...much higher chances. So if both were to score a well composed 50, would you give them the same grade? I would not, because Taylor's greater chance of building on that innings earns him more leniency IMO.

Thus Tamim gets less total runs, but a slightly more lenient grade than Mithun.

Playing favourites pure and simple

Tamim should be held to the highest standard of all the XI because he is the most experienced and was in good form.

Mithun’s 1st innings was the only reason BD got a somewhat reasonable total.

jaybro wrote: ↑Wed Feb 12, 2020 1:52 am

Playing favourites pure and simple

Of course. Who wants to watch players they dislike play?

How would you feel about this ZIM Test XI?

1) Chari

2) Cephas

3) Maruma

4) Chigumbura

5) Chibabha

6) Mutumbami

7) Chakabva

8) Ndovolu

9) Tiripano

10) Ngarava

11) Mutombodzi

Imagine these guys were picked because Taylor, Raza, Williams, Ervine, Jarvis. Chatara, and Kasuza all had meagre returns from an away series in say Sri Lanka.

Kriterion_BD wrote: ↑Wed Feb 12, 2020 4:07 am

jaybro wrote: ↑Wed Feb 12, 2020 1:52 am

Playing favourites pure and simple

Of course. Who wants to watch players they dislike play?

How would you feel about this ZIM Test XI?

1) Chari

2) Cephas

3) Maruma

4) Chigumbura

5) Chibabha

6) Mutumbami

7) Chakabva

8) Ndovolu

9) Tiripano

10) Ngarava

11) Mutombodzi

Imagine these guys were picked because Taylor, Raza, Williams, Ervine, Jarvis. Chatara, and Kasuza all had meagre returns from an away series in say Sri Lanka.

You're getting off topic here, we're just talking about a review/rating of a player's performance in an isolated match

I don't rate Mithun either, but he was the only batsman to cross 50 in that match for Bangladesh, he deserved a better rating than the rest of the batsman who all failed twice

jaybro wrote: ↑Wed Feb 12, 2020 5:12 am

I don't rate Mithun either, but he was the only batsman to cross 50 in that match for Bangladesh, he deserved a better rating than the rest of the batsman who all failed twice

If neither of us rate him, can we agree that he is at best a mediocre player? And mediocre players get mediocre grades. A D+ would be harsh if Mithun were a) on debut or b) a young player with few chances. He is neither of those.

Kriterion_BD wrote: ↑Wed Feb 12, 2020 5:20 am

jaybro wrote: ↑Wed Feb 12, 2020 5:12 am

I don't rate Mithun either, but he was the only batsman to cross 50 in that match for Bangladesh, he deserved a better rating than the rest of the batsman who all failed twice

If neither of us rate him, can we agree that he is at best a mediocre player? And mediocre players get mediocre grades. A D+ would be harsh if Mithun were a) on debut or b) a young player with few chances. He is neither of those.

Again you’re missing the point, a match rating should be an isolated assessment of a players performance, not his overall rating career wise

Team managment has reportedly talked to Riyad about focusing on limited overs cricket. Good call IMO. Despite him hitting 3 hundreds in the last 18 months, including one in NZ, I think at 34 he needs to make space for a younger batsman. If they do end up dropping him for the ZIM test, it will be great so long as his replacememt is not Sabbir, or Imrul, or Soumya.

Just need to get rid of Mithun now, who's not even half as good as Riyad.

What's your best XI for the Zimbabwe Test?

jaybro wrote: ↑Thu Feb 13, 2020 4:45 am

What's your best XI for the Zimbabwe Test?

Best likely XI would have to be:

1. Tamim

2. Saif

3. Shanto

4. Mominul

5. Mushfiq

6. Mithun

7. Liton

8. Nayeem

9. Taijul

10. Jayed

11. Ebadat

But ideally, if no injuries or bans I would probably have:

1. Tamim

2. Shadman

3. Shanto

4. Mushfiq

5. Mominul

6. Mosaddek

7. Shakib

8. Nurul

9. Nayeem/Miraz

10. Jayed

11. Ebadat/Taijul

Where is Miraz at the moment ?

jaybro wrote: ↑Thu Feb 13, 2020 7:16 am

Where is Miraz at the moment ?

He had a finger injury which is why he missed the Pindi Test last week. I don't know how serious it is, so I suspect he will probably be fit for the ZIM Test. That being said, I think Nayeem is a superior spinner, whilst Miraz is the superior batter. I would like to see Miraz be a guy who averages around 30 with the bat and therefore could bat anywhere from 6 to 8, per team demands. I think Nayeem only has the ability to average late teens to 20 max with the bat, ie a genuine #8 or #9.

Here's a video of Nayeem vs Windies, granted they aren't good players of spin, but Nayeem has 2 main advantages over Miraz: he's about 7-8 inches taller and gets more bounce, and he also turns the ball more than Miraz (or any of the other BD spinners, Shakib included).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljYuPbgAGZA

cricket_22001 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 16, 2020 3:25 am

Hi Kriterion_BD,

Where does Yasir Ali rate with you. He certainly has the figures at NCL & BCL level. He's only had one match in the "A" team. Statistically he fits your criteria.

Yasir is up there and he's been selected for the Zim series so well done to him. However I would put everyone behind Mosaddek Hossain and Nurul Hasan, who should ideally replace Riyad/Mithun/Liton. Mosaddek has a domestic first class batting average of 60, and imo, Bangladesh cannot afford to ignore numbers of that magnitude.