Ok ZCF following the great tradition of the Photo Quiz we are going to start a Stats quiz and general stats discussion page to add another dimension to the forum.
I think the scoring system can match the Photo Quiz. Questioners, please update the scores when a correct answer is given.
When asking a question, please be specific about your statistical category to avoid confusion.
Also freely use this thread to discuss stats issues more deeply around the quiz questions as well.
I am going to take the liberty of importing cricket_22001's question about Logan Cup runs to get us started.
1. "Mutizwa has played 83 FC matches, 77 are Logan Cup. One test, one Zim 'A' match plus 4 for the Zimbabwe XI in the Inter-continental Cup make up his career. These figures do not include the current fixture. He is one of 6 players to have scored over 4000 runs in the Logan Cup & is currently in 3rd spot. (Trivia: Does anyone know the other 5?)"
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jaybro wrote: ↑Mon Mar 29, 2021 9:26 am
Jemisi wrote: ↑Mon Mar 29, 2021 7:29 am
100 career dismissals for Sauramba after 12 years of stop start cricket
150 FC catches for Taylor
100 FC wickets for Mavuta
Crazy that Mavuta has gotten to 100 wickets so quickly!!! I watched a fair bit of him bowl against the Goats, he’s still got massive control issues, his ‘bounding run up’ and his ripping action do him no favours when it comes to control. I feel unless he makes adjustments to his action he’ll always be the same.
150 First Clasd wickets for Chisoro too according to the Rocks’ Twitter handle
Yes I also was not impressed by Mavuta’s control but he does pick up wickets. It’s just worrying when domestic players are scoring freely off him. I think he will be a late bloomer. Spinners tend to get better with age and they can play until they are 40.
The best chance he has is to learn from Tiripano and seriously work on his batting. Burl is a serious threat to his career and there is Nyangani as well who offers something different. So he only has 1 option
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A lot of Mavuta's wickets in the last couple of seasons have been tailenders. Also, the high economy rate in Logan Cup matches is a huge giveaway. I hope the selectors don't just look at the wicket column and pick him for an upcoming series. He is undercooked and it will be a massacre. Better to give him a couple of years to develop his game and control.
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I was taking a closer look at Maruma’s stats trying to understand where it all goes wrong and I noticed he has 27 FC half centuries. To put it into context BT has 34, Regis 29, Ervine 28, Williams 23, Raza 21. The key difference was the conversion rate. BT has a staggering 32 centuries. Maruma the lowest with 8.
I guess Taibu was right that only a double century in the Logan cup should make somebody jump the line. We need to work on our standards because somebody with 27 FC half centuries in another setup wouldn’t struggle the way Maruma has
I guess Taibu was right that only a double century in the Logan cup should make somebody jump the line. We need to work on our standards because somebody with 27 FC half centuries in another setup wouldn’t struggle the way Maruma has
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Yes, just a random comparison. Manish Pandey - playing FC for Karnataka, has an average of 51 over 90+ FC matches, 19 hundreds with a top score of 238. Also known to be a crisis man. But most likely will never get an India test cap.
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CrimsonAvenger wrote: ↑Tue Mar 30, 2021 7:21 am
Yes, just a random comparison. Manish Pandey - playing FC for Karnataka, has an average of 51 over 90+ FC matches, 19 hundreds with a top score of 238. Also known to be a crisis man. But most likely will never get an India test cap.
Isn't that a stark difference though. Pandey has played ODI and his stats suggest he is good enough for Test, but the standard of India is that high that a guy with his quality misses out.
In Zim on the other hand, our standard is, do you know what a bat is and can you hold it?
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Yeah, one should either have a solid domestic record (like, say, Ervine when he broke through) or should be oozing with potential so that we ignore domestic record and just pick them (like a Musakanda or a Madhevere) and see how it goes.
Taking the same comparison, it would be like picking a Mayank Agarwal with loads of domestic runs and a Shubman Gill with talent and potential in India's case. Both good choices, and how selection should weigh things. Not saying it is all hunky dory in BCCI's case, but indication of a good thought process in these examples.
In case of ZC, we simply don't seem to have a Mayank Agarwal or a Manish Pandey among the playing community. Simple as that. So, for us, the flavour of the season becomes the guy we try out. Roy Kaia, hence, seems deserving of a chance for being significantly ahead of others. For the Gill comparison, we are looking at Madhevere, Shumba, etc. Let us see how that one turns out. Given that the first type are definitely absent, we can only hope for the second type to succeed...
Taking the same comparison, it would be like picking a Mayank Agarwal with loads of domestic runs and a Shubman Gill with talent and potential in India's case. Both good choices, and how selection should weigh things. Not saying it is all hunky dory in BCCI's case, but indication of a good thought process in these examples.
In case of ZC, we simply don't seem to have a Mayank Agarwal or a Manish Pandey among the playing community. Simple as that. So, for us, the flavour of the season becomes the guy we try out. Roy Kaia, hence, seems deserving of a chance for being significantly ahead of others. For the Gill comparison, we are looking at Madhevere, Shumba, etc. Let us see how that one turns out. Given that the first type are definitely absent, we can only hope for the second type to succeed...
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By the way, Jemisi, from your domestic records, can you bring up Rememberence Nyathi's Logan Cup stats from last 2 seasons? He has become one of the most consistent after being the whipping boy of the forums for a while :D
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It will be interesting to hear you guys take on Forster Mutizwa. He had some of the best domestic stats but just had the door slammed in his face by none other than Taibu some personal issue there. But is seems the other selector also followed suite and completely ignored him. Seems he has retired now at 35 and has moved into umpiring. I really thought he had one or two more seasons in him.
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tawac wrote: ↑Tue Mar 30, 2021 1:54 pm
It will be interesting to hear you guys take on Forster Mutizwa. He had some of the best domestic stats but just had the door slammed in his face by none other than Taibu some personal issue there. But is seems the other selector also followed suite and completely ignored him. Seems he has retired now at 35 and has moved into umpiring. I really thought he had one or two more seasons in him.
What was his issue exactly with Taibu? I never understood why the door was shut in his face. He even averaged 31 In ODIs but he only played 17 games. I don’t Know why Chakabva and Mutumbami got more chances than him
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Definitely wanted to see more of Mutizwa in the national colors for sure. Was very consistent domestically.
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Most of the forum felt Mutizwa was hard done by. It was assumed he crossed somebody but I can't recall a verified anecdote.
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CrimsonAvenger wrote: ↑Tue Mar 30, 2021 1:02 pm
By the way, Jemisi, from your domestic records, can you bring up Rememberence Nyathi's Logan Cup stats from last 2 seasons? He has become one of the most consistent after being the whipping boy of the forums for a while :D
I'll see what I can dig up Crimson. It feels like he has scored half his career runs in the last couple of seasons. I think he's made half of his centuries and fifties in the last couple of years. His average has moved from 15 to 24.
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tawac wrote: ↑Tue Mar 30, 2021 1:54 pm
It will be interesting to hear you guys take on Forster Mutizwa. He had some of the best domestic stats but just had the door slammed in his face by none other than Taibu some personal issue there. But is seems the other selector also followed suite and completely ignored him. Seems he has retired now at 35 and has moved into umpiring. I really thought he had one or two more seasons in him.
Forster had been shunned long before Taibu & Streak got in power, his last ODI was in 2011, Taibu and Streak didn't start until late 2016
Taibu was asked on twitter about Mutizwa and his reply that the selectors wanted players that could score hundreds Not fifties in Logan Cup, fair comment although they contradicted themselves by picking Tari who at that stage didn't have a professional 100 to his name.
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CrimsonAvenger wrote: ↑Tue Mar 30, 2021 1:01 pm
Yeah, one should either have a solid domestic record (like, say, Ervine when he broke through) or should be oozing with potential so that we ignore domestic record and just pick them (like a Musakanda or a Madhevere) and see how it goes.
Taking the same comparison, it would be like picking a Mayank Agarwal with loads of domestic runs and a Shubman Gill with talent and potential in India's case. Both good choices, and how selection should weigh things. Not saying it is all hunky dory in BCCI's case, but indication of a good thought process in these examples.
In case of ZC, we simply don't seem to have a Mayank Agarwal or a Manish Pandey among the playing community. Simple as that. So, for us, the flavour of the season becomes the guy we try out. Roy Kaia, hence, seems deserving of a chance for being significantly ahead of others. For the Gill comparison, we are looking at Madhevere, Shumba, etc. Let us see how that one turns out. Given that the first type are definitely absent, we can only hope for the second type to succeed...
The difference would be, India actually coach and develop the players, whether it is a player performing in FC, or has the talent and potential and gets thrust in. We don't do that. We see a guy do well domestically for a few games and then put him in the international team, and expect miracles to happen.
We don't train players at domestic level to be ready for international cricket. That is what should be happening. Then when they get picked for int cricket, we should still be developing and coaching them. Getting them to learn the game at that level by not just playing, but putting in the hours in training, watching the other teams, and doing some theory.
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zimbos_05 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 7:04 am
The difference would be, India actually coach and develop the players, whether it is a player performing in FC, or has the talent and potential and gets thrust in.
Yeah, this has definitely improved in the last decade or so. Rahul Dravid is primarily responsible for the unending talent we see emerging - as U19 coach and as coach at National Cricket Academy. The guy just works with zero limelight.
Just one such person with passion for the game and deep understanding of the game can do wonders in the domestic circuit for Zim too. Just one... :(
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CrimsonAvenger wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 10:19 am
Yeah, this has definitely improved in the last decade or so. Rahul Dravid is primarily responsible for the unending talent we see emerging - as U19 coach and as coach at National Cricket Academy. The guy just works with zero limelight.
Just one such person with passion for the game and deep understanding of the game can do wonders in the domestic circuit for Zim too. Just one... :(
Haven't we been through this process a few times. First it was the Campbell academy, then the Streak one, then the Brent one, then the Rising Stars, then the Campbell youth team...all of them getting shut down by ZC
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zimbos_05 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 01, 2021 9:33 am
Haven't we been through this process a few times. First it was the Campbell academy, then the Streak one, then the Brent one, then the Rising Stars, then the Campbell youth team...all of them getting shut down by ZC
I think Brent comes closest in comparison. Even if one cancels Campbell and Streak, Brent has been part of both pre and post rebel eras, brought out results straightaway for the Mountaineers, set up the academy and helped a lot of young cricketers. All to be just brushed aside. The guy has the game at heart and has passion and knowledge.
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I've been updating my Logan Cup FC records & have a few trivia questions.
I'll start with bowling.
There are 29 players who have taken 100 Fc wickets in the Logan Cup. Only one bowler has never taken 5 wickets in an innings. Who is it?
Secondly, only one bowler who has taken 100 Fc wickets in the Logan Cup has never worn Zimbabwe colours in any format, ie test odi or 20/20. Currently, his whole career is at Logan Cup level. Who is it?
They are not the same bowler. Two different answers.
I'll start with bowling.
There are 29 players who have taken 100 Fc wickets in the Logan Cup. Only one bowler has never taken 5 wickets in an innings. Who is it?
Secondly, only one bowler who has taken 100 Fc wickets in the Logan Cup has never worn Zimbabwe colours in any format, ie test odi or 20/20. Currently, his whole career is at Logan Cup level. Who is it?
They are not the same bowler. Two different answers.
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