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TapsC wrote: ↑Tue Oct 08, 2019 3:25 pm
😂 😂 wow. A lot has changed here in a week
I’m the new acting MD of Zimbabweans cricket, didn’t you hear ?
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A king maker such as yourself, strategizing and influencing the gradual demise of Southern African cricket, and possibly the world at large, taking time out to deign to reply to me, a mere fan, is an honor indeed and I’m humbled by the courtesy.
And for not whistle blowing on the multitude of white kids with forged Master’s degrees that grovel in your mere presence for work (I presume?) shows you not only to have a dizzying intellect, but that common touch that makes you the great man that you are. Do you have Presidential aspirations?
Having gotten the felicitations out of the way I strongly recommend changing doctors, the concoction that f****r has got you on is seriously scrambling your synapses, possibly irreparably. 😂
This dude lives in my kamusha and for a goat he is willing to slap some sense into you
https://youtu.be/nZ4se_AgkKI
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Did you know that up until Smith’s retirement in 2014 SA were unbeaten in Tests away from home since 2006?
There’s the problem right there, if something is working everyone wants a piece of it for free, only to discover it’s not that easy and it invariably gets f***ed up. 😂
You’re claiming you had a hand in that 😂
I’ve really enjoyed watching Kagiso, Morné, Dale, AB, Miller, JP on occasion, QDK, Tahir and a fading Hash.
I’ve rooted for Bavuma as well, he’s tough.
That team with Donald, Hansie, Lance, Gary etc in it was the only South African team I’ve ever really supported in any SA sport. I’m an ABSA supporter. (Anyone but SA)
I don’t want to be spiteful, but the South Africans have always looked down on us despite how many springboks we produced them and I’m not disliking their discomfort under your able guidance. Hopefully you can speed up the crash and burn of their rugby so we can play them at OG’s in this Africa cup thing or whatever we play in 😂
And for not whistle blowing on the multitude of white kids with forged Master’s degrees that grovel in your mere presence for work (I presume?) shows you not only to have a dizzying intellect, but that common touch that makes you the great man that you are. Do you have Presidential aspirations?
Having gotten the felicitations out of the way I strongly recommend changing doctors, the concoction that f****r has got you on is seriously scrambling your synapses, possibly irreparably. 😂
This dude lives in my kamusha and for a goat he is willing to slap some sense into you
https://youtu.be/nZ4se_AgkKI
😂
Did you know that up until Smith’s retirement in 2014 SA were unbeaten in Tests away from home since 2006?
There’s the problem right there, if something is working everyone wants a piece of it for free, only to discover it’s not that easy and it invariably gets f***ed up. 😂
You’re claiming you had a hand in that 😂
I’ve really enjoyed watching Kagiso, Morné, Dale, AB, Miller, JP on occasion, QDK, Tahir and a fading Hash.
I’ve rooted for Bavuma as well, he’s tough.
That team with Donald, Hansie, Lance, Gary etc in it was the only South African team I’ve ever really supported in any SA sport. I’m an ABSA supporter. (Anyone but SA)
I don’t want to be spiteful, but the South Africans have always looked down on us despite how many springboks we produced them and I’m not disliking their discomfort under your able guidance. Hopefully you can speed up the crash and burn of their rugby so we can play them at OG’s in this Africa cup thing or whatever we play in 😂
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Your problem zimbo is you don't pay attention. I clearly spoke about his availability being an issue: http://www.zimcricketforums.com/viewtop ... 89#p140689
I again spoke about Jongwe and Murray's availability being an issue, while not ignoring what is perceived to be ZIM's strongest XI even with all players available e.g. BT would be given the gloves ahead of Murray, and Burl plus Raza would still be picked despite their poor records: http://www.zimcricketforums.com/viewtop ... 79#p139879
If you paid attention you would realise even there, that I never deny players their credit. I acknowledged Craig and Williams' form with the bat. Statistically Craig is really among the best T20I batsmen globally over the last 12months, yet he was correctly dropped against AFG and BAN.
Because when you build a team you look closer and deeper. Craig is not a T20I batsman, and Williams is not stepping up when it counts - as AFG and BAN away recently proved; plus overall, the opposition has been of very poor quality. You can't rely on it, just as much as a Moor 90* against lowly Singapore suddenly gives him better figures than a poor Raza, when in truth we know he's not a better T20I batsman than Raza who himself is a proven failure in the format at international level.
You reason from an amateur perspective, which is fine because a professional perspective isn't always necessarily superior or more accurate. However, one cannot argue with me about an absolute fact e.g. Raza's T20I record. On what basis then can you give a player a national T20 contract - lots of money, with that resume?
And even in opinions or hunches, you cannot discount an opinion of the potential of a player e.g. Sauramba/Kasuza, who haven't even played internationals or Musakanda who has a little bit and produced against quality, just so you rather prop up Moor/Burl who have played and been thoroughly found wanting in both ODIs and T20s largely against weak sides? In contrast we are all able to have a healthy rational discussion and opinions about Munyonga(time will tell), but that's only because I'm not putting him forward as T20 material at a favourite's expense.
Richard levi played just 13 matches for the Proteas, including a century and half-century, with a 140+ Strike Rate. He was dropped because he can open only(we have better allrounders for lower young&old), and is an easy wicket for top bowlers. County T20 proved just as much. Burl and Moor have played way more matches than him, and against poor attacks, and I'm totally convinced they won't deliver, and facts agree. However, you believe they will succeed, yet offer little which overrides factual evidence.
So yes, feel free to argue, but the one putting forward an indefensible argument is you, not me. Mine is factual and sound.
You and Googly are in essence saying, "No stick to Moor/Burl who have a higher probability to continue to fail, as opposed to dropping them completely for Kamunhukamwe who hasn't played a single T20I". In any system you would get fired on the spot for reasoning like that! If Mavuta sat out because part-timers Sean/Burl/Raza were considered better spinners, how would he have impressed and thrilled over here in SA? Likewise arguing "No the cupboard is bare, stick to Craig and Sean in T20s because you will lose heavily", would also get you fired on the spot in a normal system. You can't organise a T20 competition in which Chari and kamunhukamwe perform in then decide "I won't will stick to Hami and Mire as openers for these guys, even though they have both failed to cross 12 runs in the last 3 Series, beause they are the best we have".
ZIM won't improve by persisting with clearly unsuitable/failing players. You have to do something! ZIM will only improve by developing and trying new players. It's nobody's fault that the younger white ones are few eg Roche, Murray, Nathan Waller, but the Africans are more. That's natural race, not racism.
My criticising investing that kind of money on BT and KJ is not hating. It was poor business! That money could've gotten you Welch, Byrom, Higgins and more. Many hare said you're beign racist, why aren't you criticising them for Mire, and I said Mire doesn't have the same contract. But again that was argued against. So how could Mire - ZIM's best performing T20 batsman - leave, yet BT & KJ stayed to serve out the remainder of their contract? Deal in facts with truthful eventualities, not flawed doomed positions!
Stop hiding behind the absence of sound factual arguments by hurling bias/race/hate accusations. Read, understand and respond factually, or we simply agree to disagree and don't engage. I won't defend the matter again.
You may continue to believe a 33 year old Williams will win you a live rubber against quality, or that Burl and Moor will turn into T20I batsmen, but reality will continue to hit you in the face regardless becasue that is what the facts - not my wishes - are consistently screaming! On the other hand, an Elton that you feel is a waste of space, will once again carry ZIM to an unlikely victory within 2 or 3 knocks against top shelf attacks, while one of those natural aggressive batsmen you dismiss or argue can come into the team but not at the expense of Ervine, Williams or Moor, will prove you wrong too. After all, Moor wasn't left in ZIM by accident, and Craig wasn't dropped from the XI for Mutumbami by mistake - with even Chakabva retaining his spot ahead of him. And if he hadn't bowled, Williams would definitely have been dropped before Craig and Maruma. And yet, all of Chakabva, Burl, Moor, Mutumbami, Craig Williams, Raza should all not even be in that T20I XI.
I again spoke about Jongwe and Murray's availability being an issue, while not ignoring what is perceived to be ZIM's strongest XI even with all players available e.g. BT would be given the gloves ahead of Murray, and Burl plus Raza would still be picked despite their poor records: http://www.zimcricketforums.com/viewtop ... 79#p139879
If you paid attention you would realise even there, that I never deny players their credit. I acknowledged Craig and Williams' form with the bat. Statistically Craig is really among the best T20I batsmen globally over the last 12months, yet he was correctly dropped against AFG and BAN.
Because when you build a team you look closer and deeper. Craig is not a T20I batsman, and Williams is not stepping up when it counts - as AFG and BAN away recently proved; plus overall, the opposition has been of very poor quality. You can't rely on it, just as much as a Moor 90* against lowly Singapore suddenly gives him better figures than a poor Raza, when in truth we know he's not a better T20I batsman than Raza who himself is a proven failure in the format at international level.
You reason from an amateur perspective, which is fine because a professional perspective isn't always necessarily superior or more accurate. However, one cannot argue with me about an absolute fact e.g. Raza's T20I record. On what basis then can you give a player a national T20 contract - lots of money, with that resume?
And even in opinions or hunches, you cannot discount an opinion of the potential of a player e.g. Sauramba/Kasuza, who haven't even played internationals or Musakanda who has a little bit and produced against quality, just so you rather prop up Moor/Burl who have played and been thoroughly found wanting in both ODIs and T20s largely against weak sides? In contrast we are all able to have a healthy rational discussion and opinions about Munyonga(time will tell), but that's only because I'm not putting him forward as T20 material at a favourite's expense.
Richard levi played just 13 matches for the Proteas, including a century and half-century, with a 140+ Strike Rate. He was dropped because he can open only(we have better allrounders for lower young&old), and is an easy wicket for top bowlers. County T20 proved just as much. Burl and Moor have played way more matches than him, and against poor attacks, and I'm totally convinced they won't deliver, and facts agree. However, you believe they will succeed, yet offer little which overrides factual evidence.
So yes, feel free to argue, but the one putting forward an indefensible argument is you, not me. Mine is factual and sound.
You and Googly are in essence saying, "No stick to Moor/Burl who have a higher probability to continue to fail, as opposed to dropping them completely for Kamunhukamwe who hasn't played a single T20I". In any system you would get fired on the spot for reasoning like that! If Mavuta sat out because part-timers Sean/Burl/Raza were considered better spinners, how would he have impressed and thrilled over here in SA? Likewise arguing "No the cupboard is bare, stick to Craig and Sean in T20s because you will lose heavily", would also get you fired on the spot in a normal system. You can't organise a T20 competition in which Chari and kamunhukamwe perform in then decide "I won't will stick to Hami and Mire as openers for these guys, even though they have both failed to cross 12 runs in the last 3 Series, beause they are the best we have".
ZIM won't improve by persisting with clearly unsuitable/failing players. You have to do something! ZIM will only improve by developing and trying new players. It's nobody's fault that the younger white ones are few eg Roche, Murray, Nathan Waller, but the Africans are more. That's natural race, not racism.
My criticising investing that kind of money on BT and KJ is not hating. It was poor business! That money could've gotten you Welch, Byrom, Higgins and more. Many hare said you're beign racist, why aren't you criticising them for Mire, and I said Mire doesn't have the same contract. But again that was argued against. So how could Mire - ZIM's best performing T20 batsman - leave, yet BT & KJ stayed to serve out the remainder of their contract? Deal in facts with truthful eventualities, not flawed doomed positions!
Stop hiding behind the absence of sound factual arguments by hurling bias/race/hate accusations. Read, understand and respond factually, or we simply agree to disagree and don't engage. I won't defend the matter again.
You may continue to believe a 33 year old Williams will win you a live rubber against quality, or that Burl and Moor will turn into T20I batsmen, but reality will continue to hit you in the face regardless becasue that is what the facts - not my wishes - are consistently screaming! On the other hand, an Elton that you feel is a waste of space, will once again carry ZIM to an unlikely victory within 2 or 3 knocks against top shelf attacks, while one of those natural aggressive batsmen you dismiss or argue can come into the team but not at the expense of Ervine, Williams or Moor, will prove you wrong too. After all, Moor wasn't left in ZIM by accident, and Craig wasn't dropped from the XI for Mutumbami by mistake - with even Chakabva retaining his spot ahead of him. And if he hadn't bowled, Williams would definitely have been dropped before Craig and Maruma. And yet, all of Chakabva, Burl, Moor, Mutumbami, Craig Williams, Raza should all not even be in that T20I XI.
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encore wrote: ↑Tue Oct 08, 2019 9:28 pm
You and Googly are in essence saying, "No stick to Moor/Burl who have a higher probability to continue to fail, as opposed to dropping them completely for Kamunhukamwe who hasn't played a single T20I".
You mean Moor who hammered 92 to win us the game recently? https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/195 ... es-2019-20
You mean Ryan Burl who has consistently taken wickets and scored runs in his last six/seven T20 internationals?
https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/195 ... es-2019-20
https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/195 ... es-2019-20
https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/195 ... es-2019-20
https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/194 ... eries-2019
https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/194 ... eries-2019
encore wrote: ↑Tue Oct 08, 2019 9:28 pm
an Elton that you feel is a waste of space, will once again carry ZIM to an unlikely victory within 2 or 3 knocks against top shelf attacks
And when was the last time he illustrated this against top quality attacks? Before you say we haven't played any top class attacks, I seem to remember Moor crunching Shamsi for 4 big six's and scored a blistering knock. Chigumbura was playing in that game, did he stick his hand up??
encore wrote: ↑Tue Oct 08, 2019 9:28 pm
After all, Moor wasn't left in ZIM by accident, and Craig wasn't dropped from the XI for Mutumbami by mistake
And Chigumbura wasn't even selected for either tours 😂 What does that say about about your theory of him being a better, more dependable, destructive T20 option than those mentioned, and b: being left behind because of a lack T20 ability.
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Oh encore, you are an infantile pillock who does nothing but push around his ego and abuse the humanity of others. Whilst there is nothing wrong in expressing your view and opinion, the problem is that you do so by declaring stupidity of others without base. You are the type of person who listens only to respond and not to understand. You give no other person a chance and are not willing to accept that in Africa, there can be a multicultural society that can be cohesive and successful for a common cause. How dare you accuse me of being amateur when you prance around on your high horse pretending to be a saviour despite countless times of being proven wrong. You know nothing of my background and I am willing to bet that I have worked at a higher level of sport than you have.
It's really hard to pay attention in your incoherent babble of essays and verbose fiction. You always bring up stats and figures to argue your case against the white guys, well, if Sauramba is going to be selected, he needs to have shown in the domestic scene that he has the skills and ability and back it up with stats. He averages bloody 10. A kangaroo could average 10.
I saw your post about Murray, it is the same post that said you would play BT as wk, but then ended up picking Sauramba. Essentially contradicting yourself in one post, which is bound to happen when all you do is write so much bullshit and so poorly articulate it.
I've countered your "facts" so many times with facts, reasoning and even tried to engage in meaningful discussion, and you have either never ever responded, called me a Rhodie, changed your tune, continued to engage in false prophecies and lies, and also engaged in racism, so I am by no means indefensible. Even sloan has countered your claims in the very next post after yours. You always ignore, deflect, and hide, which is often what you associate with cowardice.
Next time you want to call me out, know that I will not sit idly by. Whenever proven wrong on matters of cricketing fact and stats, you have only engaged in personal attacks towards me.
If you have an issue with selection, why don't you blame the selection panel, and the administration for allowing it to continue?
It's really hard to pay attention in your incoherent babble of essays and verbose fiction. You always bring up stats and figures to argue your case against the white guys, well, if Sauramba is going to be selected, he needs to have shown in the domestic scene that he has the skills and ability and back it up with stats. He averages bloody 10. A kangaroo could average 10.
I saw your post about Murray, it is the same post that said you would play BT as wk, but then ended up picking Sauramba. Essentially contradicting yourself in one post, which is bound to happen when all you do is write so much bullshit and so poorly articulate it.
I've countered your "facts" so many times with facts, reasoning and even tried to engage in meaningful discussion, and you have either never ever responded, called me a Rhodie, changed your tune, continued to engage in false prophecies and lies, and also engaged in racism, so I am by no means indefensible. Even sloan has countered your claims in the very next post after yours. You always ignore, deflect, and hide, which is often what you associate with cowardice.
Next time you want to call me out, know that I will not sit idly by. Whenever proven wrong on matters of cricketing fact and stats, you have only engaged in personal attacks towards me.
If you have an issue with selection, why don't you blame the selection panel, and the administration for allowing it to continue?
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1 thing I will continue to say is that racism is an overplayed argument on both sides in zimbabwe cricket when you have less than 10 white players in the system. I dont remember the last time a player was left out because of colour. Maybe during the chingoka days but not recently. Its an overplayed argument used to mask the real problem. Corruption. Corruption knows no colour. Only money green. Its a shame that both sides continously get played by the people in charge so that they argue amongst themselves instead of the real issue.
Most cases like the Musakanda issue have nothing to do with race right now but other issues with certain people at domestic level so I heard. I also cant think of a white player who wants to play who isnt getting picked because he is white. The raza issue is also an admin iasue. Race is not the cause of our current problems right now in cricket. The person who tried to remove the board was Mlotshwa. He is black
The real issue is that in a country surrounded by poverty there is USD94 million which is not that hard to access if you are connected. USD94 million which has no key performance indicators. An organisation where you can go and be bad at your job and still get paid. This goes all the way from the Chairman to the muppets who lost a game against Singapore. Everybody is complicit. From corrupt admin to mediocre players selling each other out for a USD300/month contract.
Most cases like the Musakanda issue have nothing to do with race right now but other issues with certain people at domestic level so I heard. I also cant think of a white player who wants to play who isnt getting picked because he is white. The raza issue is also an admin iasue. Race is not the cause of our current problems right now in cricket. The person who tried to remove the board was Mlotshwa. He is black
The real issue is that in a country surrounded by poverty there is USD94 million which is not that hard to access if you are connected. USD94 million which has no key performance indicators. An organisation where you can go and be bad at your job and still get paid. This goes all the way from the Chairman to the muppets who lost a game against Singapore. Everybody is complicit. From corrupt admin to mediocre players selling each other out for a USD300/month contract.
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sloandog wrote: ↑Tue Oct 08, 2019 3:26 pm
TapsC wrote: ↑Tue Oct 08, 2019 3:25 pm
😂 😂 wow. A lot has changed here in a week
I’m the new acting MD of Zimbabweans cricket, didn’t you hear ?
Well I think you have played the game at a higher level than Makoni or Bvute ever did. You qualify for the job
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It's really hard to pay attention in your incoherent babble of essays and verbose fiction.
😂 😂 😂 too good!!
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Fans have influence, so does ZCF. They make it "easy" for the selectors.
I'm logical. Where did I bring in Sauramba over an available Murray?
zimbos_05 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 07, 2019 6:53 pm
The players you also want to bring in have terrible stats, such as Sauramba over Murray.
I'm logical. Where did I bring in Sauramba over an available Murray?
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Googly wrote: ↑Mon Oct 07, 2019 7:25 pm
He’s confusing cricket with baseball. Absolutely clueless.
Keep going. Hope the future backs you. ;)
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encore wrote: ↑Mon Oct 07, 2019 7:26 pm
Fans have influence, so does ZCF. They make it "easy" for the selectors.
ZC don't care what fans think. Mukhu and his band do their own thing. You should know this first hand. If ZC are being influenced by a forum, then they are clearly not fit to run the organisation. All this talk of selections and not once have you blamed any of the selectors or admin. Never!
encore wrote: ↑Mon Oct 07, 2019 7:26 pm
zimbos_05 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 07, 2019 6:53 pm
The players you also want to bring in have terrible stats, such as Sauramba over Murray.
I'm logical. Where did I bring in Sauramba over an available Murray?
encore wrote: ↑Mon Oct 07, 2019 7:26 pm
These are the players to focus on.
T20Is: Taylor, Zhuwao, Kasuza, Musakanda, Elton, Sauramba(wk), Chisoro, Mavuta, Mumba, Chatara, Wellington
(RESERVES: Chari, Kamunhukamwe, Murray(wk), Magarira, Ngarava, Roche, Jongwe).
This was you from the Tari in T20 thread...Unless I can't read, that looks like Sauramba ahead of Murray.
Either way, Sauramba has an average of 10 in T20s. Its not deserving of a call up. His strike rate suggests he is better, but at 27, he is playing catch up with a lot of other guys and makes him much lower down the pecking order. Considering he has had 15 innings and only managed an average of 10, tells me he can't score regularly or consistently enough.
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I was having a particularly obstinate bowel movement and someone had moved my magazine rack just out of range so I finally found the time to read your posts 😂 if only your posts had been hand written...
Now you’re blaming ZC for a whole host of crap decisions and Hasnain for unilaterally voting against the BCCI on our behalf? In your esteemed view are they good administrators or aren’t they? 😂
Now you’re blaming ZC for a whole host of crap decisions and Hasnain for unilaterally voting against the BCCI on our behalf? In your esteemed view are they good administrators or aren’t they? 😂
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And you’re now saying that failures in T20 may ultimately be the cause of our demise and that basically the guys you don’t like can’t play this format and you’ve put forward a list of names that can. Its hard to fathom how you write some good stuff and then nonsense in the same paragraph, it’s like several people are living inside your head, all fighting for the keyboard.
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Zim will continue to regress with gathering momentum because we don’t have the players or the structures. We have about a hundred reasonable senior players, we know all of them. It don’t matter how many opportunities you give guys they’re not going to be as consistent as Williams in any format. He’s a seriously good player with tons of talent and experience. 10 tests, 140 ODI’s and 40 T20’s. Explain to me how many years of cricket Zimbabwe will have to play before any new player can accumulate that amount of international games? We’re talking a decade and we don’t have a decade, it’s that simple.
International cricket is a tough school.
You wouldn’t believe that no matter who told you though. The guys you’re hanging your hat on are either mid to late twenties and don’t have great stats or are young and are not world beaters. They’re going to struggle all day. We can all just wait and watch and see because a couple of guys will get a chance. There’s only one outcome when Starc, Cummins, Bumhra etc etc are running in at Chari, Kasuza, Kamunhukamwe, Zhuwao, Manyonga, Sauramba, Roche etc etc. Unfortunately we will have to sit tight because we play so few games. Eddie B has been gone 5 years and has probably played anywhere between 300-400 games of quality cricket and he’s only 21. Let that sink in for a minute.
Everyone has Manyonga Mania because he finally got a game and played well, good for him, but he will face the same struggles as most of the others in the long term. I’m not saying he’s bad, he isn’t, but you have to be exceptional to do consistently well at International level. Cephas is another example, good player and absolutely smashes it in our lowly FC, but struggles at the higher levels, and this is before we play the top teams. So we have a guy that is better than others domestically, but can’t make the step up. Do we keep giving him a go or do we pick someone else who is not as good and hope he’s better on the international stage? How long do you want to do that before you think it might not work? Solly is another. Their replacements have even less chance and the guys you’re mentioning are simply not good enough to pull us out the s**t. I sincerely hope they get a chance and I hope I’m wrong. We all want nothing more than to be able to play some better teams and put up a fight.
Talking about Vusi and co being better than Williams is irrelevant. You’re hoping it’s click bait and it’s not. I enjoyed Vusi in particular, awesome when on song, but they’re in the past, you’re trying to make this a black white issue and you’re the only one riding that horse as far as the players are concerned. Matsikinyeri and Sibanda were absolutely capable of playing the higher levels! They didn’t cover themselves in glory, but no one really has, but certainly had huge ability, part of the small handful that we’ve produced that could play international cricket without failing dismally.
Do you honestly think that if our 5 white and one Pakistani guy (as he’s now referred to) were s**t they’d be getting picked? C’mon!! ZC dont have to be that disingenuous here to keep the whites’ interest, that bird has long since flown. You’re like that disgusting racist on Twitter that is shouting “The pink Rhodesians are coming!” Those guys have left or are dead from old age and cricket is but a distant memory for all of them. That last ditch attempt by the interim board and SRC was just that- a last ditch attempt, and it’s gone for good. The outcome is inevitable, it’s just the time frame now. It was probably too far gone for them to do anything, but it was worth a shot. That was not a white attempt to take over cricket, it was an attempt to save our cricket from certain oblivion. There aren’t enough whites to take over the cricket and I can guarantee that was not their intention. Nobody but nobody has faith in the administration here except a small handful of their employees and rabid psychophants who think that if they wage the 4th Chimurenga they might get a coke and a bun. The spin of legacy debt and these guys having the action plan to carry the day is just a fabrication and they’re hoping people are stupid enough to swallow it, and sadly they’re correct.
There’s 6 whites that play senior cricket and about 60 white schoolboys, of whom about 6 are any good (that’s from age 13-18). If there was only one white left it would still cause mild hysteria and a racial divide. This ridiculousness has to stop.
There is no upside for whites playing for Zim, the s**t that it causes is not really worth it is it? We now know the number that constitutes an MDC illegal gathering- it’s 7. If there were 7 white guys and we won some top games (hypothetically) we’d be back to the 90’s with people shouting about elitism all over again. It’s just a bizarre situation and mentality. The only thing it would do is galvanize everybody into action again to break the stranglehold. Even if they were all replaced and we suddenly had a full schedule and had to pick from the remainder and got lambasted you’d have some nonsense race based excuse. It would be- they took up space for too long and denied others a glittering career! We’ve been down this road before. Those white guys are only tolerated by ZC, who’d want nothing more than some better guys to replace them, but I don’t see it happening. As mediocre as some of their performances have been they’re better than the guys they’re keeping out. Even our current selectors think so, or trust me, they would never be picked. This last tour was a perfect opportunity to play without them and we’d have been well beaten. Fact.
ZC are never going to get an A tour together, but ZC could pick an A side of guys that you feel have been hard done by and they could tour Harare Sports club and play our national side in a 3 match series and see how they go. Cheap, easy to arrange and we’d soon see. There were a couple of A games against the AC academy (not sure who played though) and they got beat once, make of that what you will, but that should never happen. There is no international A side on the planet that would be beaten by an academy side except here. We’ve isolated ourselves with the lack of international cricket, foreign players and tours and in no one knows what a really good player looks like anymore. We see one local guy making runs domestically and everyone gets excited and 9/10 times they’re actually bang average compared to what’s out there. Sit down with a real expert and find a clip of one of Byrom’s sublimely constructed tons, or a bit of Muyeye magic and get him to tell you what you’re really looking at and what we’re missing out on. They’re staggeringly good, we’ve got nothing like them here, not even close, I’m talking amongst the younger guys. When you have people in admin that can’t see that then I have no faith.
Let’s put this all in perspective. We have ICC full membership with about 100 half decent senior players, a few clubs that occasionally play cricket, about 6 schools and about 20 ok schoolboys and we’re expected to beat Scotland with 150 000 registered cricketers. That’s just Scotland, a country we have the audacity to sneer at!!
Less sneering and a big reality check is in order. We are so used to just surviving here that we take any crap dished out with glum and dumb resignation. Everyone spins it and says “Zimbos make a plan,” but the reality is that we’re just spineless and useless and as long as we’re doing marginally better than the guy on our right we’re happy.
The only two big government schools that really play cricket where ZC have pulled most of their black players from for many years has been Prince Edward and Churchill. Cricket has now all but collapsed there. Please don’t let anyone convince you otherwise. I don’t think they can make up B teams and they’re absolutely hopeless in every age group. Do not be taken in by any grass roots nonsense. If they can’t keep it going at Prince Edward with all their facilities and Old Boys’ support then they’re not doing it in Gokwe or Muzarabani or Bindura, take pure poison on that!!! The spin is that they’ve now spread cricket throughout and other schools are now producing players, it’s a big fat lie.
ZC are now disingenuously waxing lyrical about women’s cricket here. When there was virtually nothing before and then they organize a few games it looks like they’re doing something monumental and they’re not! They are trying to tick the box for political expediency and it’s a complete smokescreen because the rest of our cricket is an absolute diabolical shambles.
You keep whining about poor selections but have nothing bad to say about the selectors. You complain about the results but have nothing bad to say about the current coaches, you complain indirectly about poor administrative decisions made by people to whom this is supposedly a part time hobby and have political careers and yet you support this board that has led us into this cul de sac. All you delight from is trolling the guys who are going to rightfully react to your barely disguised racism and manipulation of stats to suit a very poor agenda.
International cricket is a tough school.
You wouldn’t believe that no matter who told you though. The guys you’re hanging your hat on are either mid to late twenties and don’t have great stats or are young and are not world beaters. They’re going to struggle all day. We can all just wait and watch and see because a couple of guys will get a chance. There’s only one outcome when Starc, Cummins, Bumhra etc etc are running in at Chari, Kasuza, Kamunhukamwe, Zhuwao, Manyonga, Sauramba, Roche etc etc. Unfortunately we will have to sit tight because we play so few games. Eddie B has been gone 5 years and has probably played anywhere between 300-400 games of quality cricket and he’s only 21. Let that sink in for a minute.
Everyone has Manyonga Mania because he finally got a game and played well, good for him, but he will face the same struggles as most of the others in the long term. I’m not saying he’s bad, he isn’t, but you have to be exceptional to do consistently well at International level. Cephas is another example, good player and absolutely smashes it in our lowly FC, but struggles at the higher levels, and this is before we play the top teams. So we have a guy that is better than others domestically, but can’t make the step up. Do we keep giving him a go or do we pick someone else who is not as good and hope he’s better on the international stage? How long do you want to do that before you think it might not work? Solly is another. Their replacements have even less chance and the guys you’re mentioning are simply not good enough to pull us out the s**t. I sincerely hope they get a chance and I hope I’m wrong. We all want nothing more than to be able to play some better teams and put up a fight.
Talking about Vusi and co being better than Williams is irrelevant. You’re hoping it’s click bait and it’s not. I enjoyed Vusi in particular, awesome when on song, but they’re in the past, you’re trying to make this a black white issue and you’re the only one riding that horse as far as the players are concerned. Matsikinyeri and Sibanda were absolutely capable of playing the higher levels! They didn’t cover themselves in glory, but no one really has, but certainly had huge ability, part of the small handful that we’ve produced that could play international cricket without failing dismally.
Do you honestly think that if our 5 white and one Pakistani guy (as he’s now referred to) were s**t they’d be getting picked? C’mon!! ZC dont have to be that disingenuous here to keep the whites’ interest, that bird has long since flown. You’re like that disgusting racist on Twitter that is shouting “The pink Rhodesians are coming!” Those guys have left or are dead from old age and cricket is but a distant memory for all of them. That last ditch attempt by the interim board and SRC was just that- a last ditch attempt, and it’s gone for good. The outcome is inevitable, it’s just the time frame now. It was probably too far gone for them to do anything, but it was worth a shot. That was not a white attempt to take over cricket, it was an attempt to save our cricket from certain oblivion. There aren’t enough whites to take over the cricket and I can guarantee that was not their intention. Nobody but nobody has faith in the administration here except a small handful of their employees and rabid psychophants who think that if they wage the 4th Chimurenga they might get a coke and a bun. The spin of legacy debt and these guys having the action plan to carry the day is just a fabrication and they’re hoping people are stupid enough to swallow it, and sadly they’re correct.
There’s 6 whites that play senior cricket and about 60 white schoolboys, of whom about 6 are any good (that’s from age 13-18). If there was only one white left it would still cause mild hysteria and a racial divide. This ridiculousness has to stop.
There is no upside for whites playing for Zim, the s**t that it causes is not really worth it is it? We now know the number that constitutes an MDC illegal gathering- it’s 7. If there were 7 white guys and we won some top games (hypothetically) we’d be back to the 90’s with people shouting about elitism all over again. It’s just a bizarre situation and mentality. The only thing it would do is galvanize everybody into action again to break the stranglehold. Even if they were all replaced and we suddenly had a full schedule and had to pick from the remainder and got lambasted you’d have some nonsense race based excuse. It would be- they took up space for too long and denied others a glittering career! We’ve been down this road before. Those white guys are only tolerated by ZC, who’d want nothing more than some better guys to replace them, but I don’t see it happening. As mediocre as some of their performances have been they’re better than the guys they’re keeping out. Even our current selectors think so, or trust me, they would never be picked. This last tour was a perfect opportunity to play without them and we’d have been well beaten. Fact.
ZC are never going to get an A tour together, but ZC could pick an A side of guys that you feel have been hard done by and they could tour Harare Sports club and play our national side in a 3 match series and see how they go. Cheap, easy to arrange and we’d soon see. There were a couple of A games against the AC academy (not sure who played though) and they got beat once, make of that what you will, but that should never happen. There is no international A side on the planet that would be beaten by an academy side except here. We’ve isolated ourselves with the lack of international cricket, foreign players and tours and in no one knows what a really good player looks like anymore. We see one local guy making runs domestically and everyone gets excited and 9/10 times they’re actually bang average compared to what’s out there. Sit down with a real expert and find a clip of one of Byrom’s sublimely constructed tons, or a bit of Muyeye magic and get him to tell you what you’re really looking at and what we’re missing out on. They’re staggeringly good, we’ve got nothing like them here, not even close, I’m talking amongst the younger guys. When you have people in admin that can’t see that then I have no faith.
Let’s put this all in perspective. We have ICC full membership with about 100 half decent senior players, a few clubs that occasionally play cricket, about 6 schools and about 20 ok schoolboys and we’re expected to beat Scotland with 150 000 registered cricketers. That’s just Scotland, a country we have the audacity to sneer at!!
Less sneering and a big reality check is in order. We are so used to just surviving here that we take any crap dished out with glum and dumb resignation. Everyone spins it and says “Zimbos make a plan,” but the reality is that we’re just spineless and useless and as long as we’re doing marginally better than the guy on our right we’re happy.
The only two big government schools that really play cricket where ZC have pulled most of their black players from for many years has been Prince Edward and Churchill. Cricket has now all but collapsed there. Please don’t let anyone convince you otherwise. I don’t think they can make up B teams and they’re absolutely hopeless in every age group. Do not be taken in by any grass roots nonsense. If they can’t keep it going at Prince Edward with all their facilities and Old Boys’ support then they’re not doing it in Gokwe or Muzarabani or Bindura, take pure poison on that!!! The spin is that they’ve now spread cricket throughout and other schools are now producing players, it’s a big fat lie.
ZC are now disingenuously waxing lyrical about women’s cricket here. When there was virtually nothing before and then they organize a few games it looks like they’re doing something monumental and they’re not! They are trying to tick the box for political expediency and it’s a complete smokescreen because the rest of our cricket is an absolute diabolical shambles.
You keep whining about poor selections but have nothing bad to say about the selectors. You complain about the results but have nothing bad to say about the current coaches, you complain indirectly about poor administrative decisions made by people to whom this is supposedly a part time hobby and have political careers and yet you support this board that has led us into this cul de sac. All you delight from is trolling the guys who are going to rightfully react to your barely disguised racism and manipulation of stats to suit a very poor agenda.
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Its hard to fathom how you write some good stuff and then nonsense in the same paragraph, it’s like several people are living inside your head, all fighting for the keyboard.
No, it's not several people. It's the million chimpanzees fighting to type a novel. It's the law of probability something sensible will eventually come out. But not in my life time.
No, it's not several people. It's the million chimpanzees fighting to type a novel. It's the law of probability something sensible will eventually come out. But not in my life time.
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Googly there is one problem that you seem to overlook. I'm involved in the game and making professional calls which define careers and come to fruition. You on the other hand are just a fan. Be grateful that I even offer up time(way too much) to contribute. You argue with my stats which are inflexible, and you're entitled to it, but the reality on the ground will not bend to your intepretation of those stats. Sean Williams is good, but he will never win ZIM any meaningful game, and Raza has a pathetic T20 record. You have a genuine David Miller and Richard Levi situation. As maligned as Duminy was, he was for a long time actually our best T20 player - top ranked batsmen, and allrounder and added more value than even AB. After that Tahir took over.
This is a thread about ZIM's losses in T20s and what to do to avoid an embarrassing Singapore situation happening again. As far as I'm concerned, within Zimbabwe right now there are ONLY FOUR non-African players who can get into the T20I squad and add winning value to it - Nathan Waller, Cremer, Murray and Malcolm Waller. And I'm picking Nathan solely as a batsman. ONLY FOUR!
You can speak of lagacy/heritage, and the number of games Williams has played but the fact remains, ZIM has been losing with all those experienced players (Hami, BT etc). This is not Tests/ODIs. It's T20Is!
Just look at the current AUS T20 squad:
Only Steve Smith is the anchor in that entire squad. Just one, and he might even be left out of the XI entirely.
Our domestic Franchise FC just started. van Tonder got a half century alongside Mokoena, while Breetzke got a duck and Qeshile is going strong. Wiaan Mulder who averages over 40 witht the bat just picked up a pair, is not even part of the Test sqiad, but is better than England's Sam Curran. The same Kagiso Rapulana whose been marginalised for years and averaging below 30, has for the past 2 season been putting up the numbers, and in the current match stood head and shoulders over every otherbatsman on a very very tough pitch. So just as I can argue Bavuma will average more than Theunis de Bruyn, Vilas, Stiaan van Zyl etc, I know why I say an Omphile Ramela and Kagiso Rapulana will do better than player A or B.
So don't discount why I say a Kasuza and Sauramba will do better for ZIM than a Sean Williams, because I know. Qualified people know these things. I'm a bigger Sean Williams fan thatn you are by the way. I just won't let that cloud my judgement. I've watched Murray, but I know for sure that he does not have the hitting ability of a Sauramba.
This is a thread about ZIM's losses in T20s and what to do to avoid an embarrassing Singapore situation happening again. As far as I'm concerned, within Zimbabwe right now there are ONLY FOUR non-African players who can get into the T20I squad and add winning value to it - Nathan Waller, Cremer, Murray and Malcolm Waller. And I'm picking Nathan solely as a batsman. ONLY FOUR!
You can speak of lagacy/heritage, and the number of games Williams has played but the fact remains, ZIM has been losing with all those experienced players (Hami, BT etc). This is not Tests/ODIs. It's T20Is!
Just look at the current AUS T20 squad:
Squad Aaron Finch (capt), Ashton Agar, Alex Carey, Pat Cummins, Glenn Maxwell, Ben McDermott, Kane Richardson, Steve Smith, Billy Stanlake, Mitchell Starc, Ashton Turner, Andrew Tye, David Warner, Adam Zampa
Only Steve Smith is the anchor in that entire squad. Just one, and he might even be left out of the XI entirely.
Our domestic Franchise FC just started. van Tonder got a half century alongside Mokoena, while Breetzke got a duck and Qeshile is going strong. Wiaan Mulder who averages over 40 witht the bat just picked up a pair, is not even part of the Test sqiad, but is better than England's Sam Curran. The same Kagiso Rapulana whose been marginalised for years and averaging below 30, has for the past 2 season been putting up the numbers, and in the current match stood head and shoulders over every otherbatsman on a very very tough pitch. So just as I can argue Bavuma will average more than Theunis de Bruyn, Vilas, Stiaan van Zyl etc, I know why I say an Omphile Ramela and Kagiso Rapulana will do better than player A or B.
So don't discount why I say a Kasuza and Sauramba will do better for ZIM than a Sean Williams, because I know. Qualified people know these things. I'm a bigger Sean Williams fan thatn you are by the way. I just won't let that cloud my judgement. I've watched Murray, but I know for sure that he does not have the hitting ability of a Sauramba.
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