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It's an end of an era, time to say goodbye. Hope he can sign off with a decent knock.
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I am neither here or there with Hamilton hardly know the guy so wont judge or criticise him. I just wonder if he had 30 or 40 more tests how good he could have been. I wonder if he had studied part time how much more he could have played and done. i believe he was a much better player in the longer formats and had the potential to be a limited overs bully locally. Its a sad case of Zim cricketers that they have lost so much time and opportunities to develop due to our horribly short season and our exclusion from main stream cricket.
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Breaking News. Hamilton to retire after the BD T20I tri-series. Good decision given how things have gone for him of late. Its a shame that we got to play so few tests after we rejoined in 2011 - his strongest format. We owe a large part of our last two test wins to him, which is no mean feat. This decision also sets him apart from the likes of Utseya and Chigumbura. Farewell Hammy! Best wishes for the final series...
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Farewell Mazakadza, great servent of Zimbabwe Cricket. Good decision, his place can go to a deserving youngster like Burl or Moor.
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Not that he’d care, but most have lost a lot of respect for the big man. His recent machinations during this SRC saga have guaranteed him a soft but prime admin or coaching post, or perhaps Convener of Selectors?
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One Of Greatest Zimbabwe Player.
His stats like Flowers would also have been differant if things after 2003 would'nt have been bad.
He Should be directly offered dual role of Chairman cum Conveyor of selector & Coach for the Emergining Cricketers by throwing away Chawaguta & co.
His stats like Flowers would also have been differant if things after 2003 would'nt have been bad.
He Should be directly offered dual role of Chairman cum Conveyor of selector & Coach for the Emergining Cricketers by throwing away Chawaguta & co.
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i am tempted to think that he could soon be the players rep in the ZC board or the MD (given the impasse btwn the SRC and ZC). The numbers do not do justice to the talent that he possessed, a good servant and ambassador of Zimbabwe Cricket.. he had a bit to offer in the long format imho but in the short formats, it was increasingly difficult to justify his place in the squad. will miss his golden arm, the catches in the slips and his partnerships with Taylor and Ervine in the middle.. go well Hammy :W: !!
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My suspicion is that they will give him another role which I think he has earned. Soft landing perhaps. Looking back I think we have been harsh on Hami. He got dropped multiple times until recently. Multiple.
Looks like we will have a new opening partnership uptop. Something a bit exciting actually. Burl Tari PJ and Kamunhukamwe are the guys I can immediately think of. I personally dont want BT to play uptop but knowing how ZC works if the youngsters flop a couple of times he will open. Problem is if BT is out in the first 5 overs we would have a serious handicap. We need a brave new brand of cricket uptop.
If I was Rajput I would even give Myers Shumba or Oldknow a shot, 1 of them could take their chance and surprise us all.
Looks like we will have a new opening partnership uptop. Something a bit exciting actually. Burl Tari PJ and Kamunhukamwe are the guys I can immediately think of. I personally dont want BT to play uptop but knowing how ZC works if the youngsters flop a couple of times he will open. Problem is if BT is out in the first 5 overs we would have a serious handicap. We need a brave new brand of cricket uptop.
If I was Rajput I would even give Myers Shumba or Oldknow a shot, 1 of them could take their chance and surprise us all.
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Myers is only 16 I think. You can’t expect a 16 year old to open in international cricket. He’s a very very good player and should be playing franchise and A team cricket, but the quickest way to ruin a promising kid is to put him up front. He’d certainly be worth thinking about as a no 6/7 though, but needs to be exposed to a higher level of cricket first. I don’t even know where Shumba is these days? I’ve watched Shumba once and Myers a couple of times and you can’t compare them- Myers is a light year ahead of him, this kid is sharp!
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Ok I’ve asked a guy who knows his beans, Oldknow is at school in England, has a good eye and is a dasher, but does not have the technique to play the higher levels.
There are levels and there are levels.
Now is the time to make Byrom a serious offer.
Tried and tested, ticks every box.
There are levels and there are levels.
Now is the time to make Byrom a serious offer.
Tried and tested, ticks every box.
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Sad to see Hami go.
Hope that he does something decent on this last tour and doesn't go out with that European awfulness as his last effort.
Hope that he does something decent on this last tour and doesn't go out with that European awfulness as his last effort.
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Jemisi wrote: ↑Fri Sep 06, 2019 2:44 am
Hope that he does something decent on this last tour and doesn't go out with that European awfulness as his last effort.
That's all I'm hoping for too...
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Was looking at his stats again. Played 38 tests at an average at 30. Pretty decent stats. Do kind of wonder how many tests were against lesser opposition, but in saying that, it could not have been too lesser as it was not Afghanistan or Ireland, but maybe sort of 2nd string squads.
I think that takes away from his talent though. Had we had much better organisation you would have to feel he would have racked up some good stats. Makes his support of the admin a little more frustrating. Man had immense potential.
I think that takes away from his talent though. Had we had much better organisation you would have to feel he would have racked up some good stats. Makes his support of the admin a little more frustrating. Man had immense potential.
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zimbos_05 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 06, 2019 6:13 am
Was looking at his stats again. Played 38 tests at an average at 30. Pretty decent stats. Do kind of wonder how many tests were against lesser opposition, but in saying that, it could not have been too lesser as it was not Afghanistan or Ireland, but maybe sort of 2nd string squads.
Yes his test numbers are quite decent. And he scored them against decent attacks and in tricky conditions and situations. There weren't many freebie tests like in case of associate ODIs. Not many second string attacks I can think of. Was clearly affected by the stop-start nature of his career (due to education first, then the suspension of ZC from tests, then the non-continuity after readmission - just getting a test match here and there once in a while). But that's the case for everyone of his generation, but he was definitely more suited to tests and lack of tests would have affected. Had he played, say, 60 tests with continuity, his numbers would have looked better for sure.
His recent 146 vs WI when we were 14/3 and that partnership with PJ Moor was the last big knock of his I watched. It was an absolute top-drawer stuff with his trademark cover drives working like a charm.
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CrimsonAvenger wrote: ↑Fri Sep 06, 2019 8:16 am
Yes his test numbers are quite decent. And he scored them against decent attacks and in tricky conditions and situations. There weren't many freebie tests like in case of associate ODIs. Not many second string attacks I can think of. Was clearly affected by the stop-start nature of his career (due to education first, then the suspension of ZC from tests, then the non-continuity after readmission - just getting a test match here and there once in a while). Had he played, say, 60 tests with continuity, his numbers would have looked better for sure.
His recent 146 vs WI when we were 14/3 and that partnership with PJ Moor was the last big knock of his I watched. It was an absolute top-drawer stuff with his trademark cover drives working like a charm.
Well given that his ODI game never really developed despite playing frequently and mostly against weaker sides, I'd guess his Test averages would remain where it was.
One of the first things you notice about ZIM is that the players games don't really progress. A guy who debuts as a 20 year old averaging 25, is still averaging 25 ten years later. I think Taylor, Raza, and possible Williams are the exceptions to that rule.
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Hamilton did improve a great deal as an ODI batsman, his early years he was averaging below or around 20
Great player and as I said before arguably the greatest black player Zimbabwe has produced
Great player and as I said before arguably the greatest black player Zimbabwe has produced
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Kriterion_BD wrote: ↑Fri Sep 06, 2019 8:33 am
CrimsonAvenger wrote: ↑Fri Sep 06, 2019 8:16 am
Yes his test numbers are quite decent. And he scored them against decent attacks and in tricky conditions and situations. There weren't many freebie tests like in case of associate ODIs. Not many second string attacks I can think of. Was clearly affected by the stop-start nature of his career (due to education first, then the suspension of ZC from tests, then the non-continuity after readmission - just getting a test match here and there once in a while). Had he played, say, 60 tests with continuity, his numbers would have looked better for sure.
His recent 146 vs WI when we were 14/3 and that partnership with PJ Moor was the last big knock of his I watched. It was an absolute top-drawer stuff with his trademark cover drives working like a charm.
Well given that his ODI game never really developed despite playing frequently and mostly against weaker sides, I'd guess his Test averages would remain where it was.
One of the first things you notice about ZIM is that the players games don't really progress. A guy who debuts as a 20 year old averaging 25, is still averaging 25 ten years later. I think Taylor, Raza, and possible Williams are the exceptions to that rule.
1 thing I do envy about Bangladesh is how Tamim Mushy and Shakib all developed. I dont know how but somehow they found consistency. Even Mortaza. Besides Taylor I dont think I can say the others have managed to be consistently great for more than 6 months. We also never get more than 1 player firing at a time. The only time that ever happened was in Sri Lanka and results started coming.
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TapsC wrote: ↑Fri Sep 06, 2019 11:30 am
Kriterion_BD wrote: ↑Fri Sep 06, 2019 8:33 am
CrimsonAvenger wrote: ↑Fri Sep 06, 2019 8:16 am
Yes his test numbers are quite decent. And he scored them against decent attacks and in tricky conditions and situations. There weren't many freebie tests like in case of associate ODIs. Not many second string attacks I can think of. Was clearly affected by the stop-start nature of his career (due to education first, then the suspension of ZC from tests, then the non-continuity after readmission - just getting a test match here and there once in a while). Had he played, say, 60 tests with continuity, his numbers would have looked better for sure.
His recent 146 vs WI when we were 14/3 and that partnership with PJ Moor was the last big knock of his I watched. It was an absolute top-drawer stuff with his trademark cover drives working like a charm.
Well given that his ODI game never really developed despite playing frequently and mostly against weaker sides, I'd guess his Test averages would remain where it was.
One of the first things you notice about ZIM is that the players games don't really progress. A guy who debuts as a 20 year old averaging 25, is still averaging 25 ten years later. I think Taylor, Raza, and possible Williams are the exceptions to that rule.
1 thing I do envy about Bangladesh is how Tamim Mushy and Shakib all developed. I dont know how but somehow they found consistency. Even Mortaza. Besides Taylor I dont think I can say the others have managed to be consistently great for more than 6 months. We also never get more than 1 player firing at a time. The only time that ever happened was in Sri Lanka and results started coming.
This is a really shocking thing to say. I'll give you 3 names (assuming Taibu and Utseya are out of contention):
1. Elton Chigumbura
2. Tinashe Panyangara
3. Tendai Chatara
NB: Madziva, Jongwe, Wellington and Chisoro didn't exactly put a single foot wrong in the few times they were picked.
In terms of absolute dominance against real quality opposition home and away, no player(including Taylor) since the rebels, has hit the consistent highs that Elton Chigumbura did.
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