You really need to stop speaking about other countries like you know, because you do not and you just end up sounding more stupid than you actually portray yourself.
Kahwaja and Fawad Ahmed did not even have to speak out and were ridiculed in the media and every other avenue. The case of AB was again proven to be one of him not demanding to come back, but CSA asking him.
Players speak out all the time in other countries, the difference is that those team and administration actually know what they are doing. Zim's just thinks that they are the bees knees and carries on like some sort of King, when the reality is that it is not.
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The knives are out for Raza. Sibanda and The Herald are back in full voice so it’s clear that ZC are firmly entrenched again and they’re doing their master’s bidding. They’re accusing him of having aspirations to be captain and that’s ZC’s way of saying it ain’t gonna happen you’ve been a bad boy and wind your neck in.
They’re hoping to subjugate him so he tows the line, I think he’s got less options than we thought or he’d be gone by now. They had gone quiet for a while when everything was up in the air. I see Liam Brickhill had a dip at Sibanda on Twitter, but stopped short of saying it as it is, he let others do that for him, a true Zimbabwean 😂
They’re hoping to subjugate him so he tows the line, I think he’s got less options than we thought or he’d be gone by now. They had gone quiet for a while when everything was up in the air. I see Liam Brickhill had a dip at Sibanda on Twitter, but stopped short of saying it as it is, he let others do that for him, a true Zimbabwean 😂
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Melhuli always hides behind the 'journalism code' but if he really followed it, he would know that a Journalist is meant to verify the information he is told. He needs to at least ask for a comment from the person in question and seek to verify that the information is true.
The other not so surprising thing is that Melhuli is on the board at Bulawayo Met and has a say in who is on the ZC board. He was one of the people who voted to ignore the SRC request to delay the board meeting and obviously he has a big stake in Mukhulani being at the head. There is nothing of integrity in his dealings as a journalist.
The other not so surprising thing is that Melhuli is on the board at Bulawayo Met and has a say in who is on the ZC board. He was one of the people who voted to ignore the SRC request to delay the board meeting and obviously he has a big stake in Mukhulani being at the head. There is nothing of integrity in his dealings as a journalist.
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encore wrote: ↑Sun Sep 08, 2019 9:11 am
This arrogant Pakistai must go back home. He is unfit to don Zimbabwe colours.
Imagine Tahir behaving like this in SA, or Khawaja/Fawad Ahmed behaving like this in Australia. The fans, media and former players would crucify them!
Even KP who is white and effectively European, but born in Africa, was not spared for mere idle talk and banter which leaked. Heck even the great AB is widely despised in SA now for such arrogance.
This guy is overprivileged and entitled. The Taibus, Hamis, Eltons, Utseyas and Matsis were slaying much greater bowlers and winning long before he arrived in Zimbabwe, and it will continue to be the case long after he leaves.
And let no one tell me they would tolerate such talk from a naturalised player, whatever the reason, because that would be a lie!
The mere fact that ZC have stood by Hami simply sends one message to Raza - If he is really principled then he must leave for good and not wait for Hami's absence in the next tour!
He was suspended before for ignoring a NOC, and now this. Plus insulted the same ICC he went to beg to expecting them to even listen to him. This man is a problem, and it's embarassing to think he was ever given the honour to captain the side.
You tolerate nonsense in Zimbabwe!
I support Raza for speaking out...This omission is to please Hamilton and his old ass into retirement. ..
Raza is we support u and just bear this nonsense and move on. ..Raza and Sean are 2of the best all rounders in Zimbabwe cricket right now. .
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Mueddie28 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 08, 2019 9:33 am
I support Raza for speaking out...This omission is to please Hamilton and his old ass into retirement. ..
Raza is we support u and just bear this nonsense and move on. ..Raza and Sean are 2of the best all rounders in Zimbabwe cricket right now. .
Is that best better than Ireland and Netherlands B?
Becasue I know that allrounders Madziva, Jongwe and Chisoro definitely are. And the UAE will agree becasue they saw evidence of that first hand.
Let's be realistic. Williams and Raza are not allrounders. They are average batsmen who can bowl. In their bowling, Raza and Williams average 49+38 and 45+46 in Tests+ODIs respectively. Which is pathetic in ODIs considering the calibre of opposition they have been facing. In fact their averages were almost double that when they were facing B and C sides from NZ, WI, SL, SA, IND and Pakistan before then. Because they have been decent bats and their bowling tolerable against lower opposition doesn;t mean it's a gamble that has not hurt Zimbabwe just as I consistently argued - lost CWC qualification, and now whipping boys for even Ireland and Netherlands at 'full strength'. They must bat higher as specialist batsmen with proper bowlers and allroudners picked! There are plenty Mashinges, Madzivas, Jongwes, Chisoros etc.
ODIs against lowly sides: https://bit.ly/2k5JyCp
Matches won ( :o Jarvis :) ): https://bit.ly/2m6NCTP
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You really need to stop speaking about other countries like you know, because you do not and you just end up sounding more stupid than you actually portray yourself.
Kahwaja and Fawad Ahmed did not even have to speak out and were ridiculed in the media and every other avenue. The case of AB was again proven to be one of him not demanding to come back, but CSA asking him.
Players speak out all the time in other countries, the difference is that those team and administration actually know what they are doing. Zim's just thinks that they are the bees knees and carries on like some sort of King, when the reality is that it is not.
Kahwaja and Fawad Ahmed did not even have to speak out and were ridiculed in the media and every other avenue. The case of AB was again proven to be one of him not demanding to come back, but CSA asking him.
Players speak out all the time in other countries, the difference is that those team and administration actually know what they are doing. Zim's just thinks that they are the bees knees and carries on like some sort of King, when the reality is that it is not.
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The knives are out for Raza. Sibanda and The Herald are back in full voice so it’s clear that ZC are firmly entrenched again and they’re doing their master’s bidding. They’re accusing him of having aspirations to be captain and that’s ZC’s way of saying it ain’t gonna happen you’ve been a bad boy and wind your neck in.
They’re hoping to subjugate him so he tows the line, I think he’s got less options than we thought or he’d be gone by now. They had gone quiet for a while when everything was up in the air. I see Liam Brickhill had a dip at Sibanda on Twitter, but stopped short of saying it as it is, he let others do that for him, a true Zimbabwean 😂
They’re hoping to subjugate him so he tows the line, I think he’s got less options than we thought or he’d be gone by now. They had gone quiet for a while when everything was up in the air. I see Liam Brickhill had a dip at Sibanda on Twitter, but stopped short of saying it as it is, he let others do that for him, a true Zimbabwean 😂
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encore wrote: ↑Sun Sep 08, 2019 10:17 am
Let's be realistic. Williams and Raza are not allrounders. They are average batsmen who can bowl. In their bowling, Raza and Williams average 49+38 and 45+46 in Tests+ODIs respectively. ty
Both better ODI bowlers than Prosper Utseya
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Melhuli always hides behind the 'journalism code' but if he really followed it, he would know that a Journalist is meant to verify the information he is told. He needs to at least ask for a comment from the person in question and seek to verify that the information is true.
The other not so surprising thing is that Melhuli is on the board at Bulawayo Met and has a say in who is on the ZC board. He was one of the people who voted to ignore the SRC request to delay the board meeting and obviously he has a big stake in Mukhulani being at the head. There is nothing of integrity in his dealings as a journalist.
The other not so surprising thing is that Melhuli is on the board at Bulawayo Met and has a say in who is on the ZC board. He was one of the people who voted to ignore the SRC request to delay the board meeting and obviously he has a big stake in Mukhulani being at the head. There is nothing of integrity in his dealings as a journalist.
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zimbos_05 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 10, 2019 9:20 am
The other not so surprising thing is that Melhuli is on the board at Bulawayo Met and has a say in who is on the ZC board. He was one of the people who voted to ignore the SRC request to delay the board meeting and obviously he has a big stake in Mukhulani being at the head.
This is one of the things that I find disturbing.
You were one of the people who rubbished a lot of what I said about the ZC-SRC-Coventry saga, and the Interim Board. One of the things that I pointed out was that the Interim Board would not be able to achieve it's objections and make changes at will because there is actually a structure from grassroots right up to the board. I also argued that none of the potential compromises towards reinstatement would happen easily for the same reason. This was all overlooked. And yet you know this logical information intimately.
Who is more dishonest or rather more in denial? ZCF fans or ZC?
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encore wrote: ↑Tue Sep 10, 2019 6:27 pm
This is one of the things that I find disturbing.
You were one of the people who rubbished a lot of what I said about the ZC-SRC-Coventry saga, and the Interim Board. One of the things that I pointed out was that the Interim Board would not be able to achieve it's objections and make changes at will because there is actually a structure from grassroots right up to the board. I also argued that none of the potential compromises towards reinstatement would happen easily for the same reason. This was all overlooked. And yet you know this logical information intimately.
Who is more dishonest or rather more in denial? ZCF fans or ZC?
There is no structure within ZC. Mukhulani himself has admitted this.
The only reason no changes would have happened is because individuals know they are at fault and would be held accountable, thus losing their undeserved places, which is exactly what happened, not because of a supposed structure that exists.
Once ZC is dissolved, all the other boards below them become irrelevant too. I can understand how logic is something you fail to comprehend, but surely you can understand the simple concept that played out here.
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zimbos_05 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 11, 2019 1:59 am
Once ZC is dissolved, all the other boards below them become irrelevant too. I can understand how logic is something you fail to comprehend, but surely you can understand the simple concept that played out here.
You actually thought about this... then wrote it.
Mindblowing :!: :shock: :? :roll:
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encore wrote: ↑Wed Sep 11, 2019 11:18 am
[You actually thought about this... then wrote it.
Mindblowing :!: :shock: :? :roll:
Shock horror that someone who has actually worked in sport and sport adminstration has an idea of how proper sporting organisations should, and do, function.
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Zimbabwe have left out Sikandar Raza on disciplinary grounds from the 15-man squad for the upcoming triangular series in Bangladesh, that involves Afghanistan as the third participating team. Raza, according to a Zimbabwe Cricket release, has been left out over pending disciplinary issues raised by captain Hamilton Masakadza.
"It is important that we support our captain, whether it is Masakadza or anyone else, by creating an environment in which we can be confident he will have the full support of all players, with everyone pulling in the same direction and able to trust each other. It is for those reasons that we have decided to leave Raza out," Zimbabwe convenor of selectors, Walter Chawaguta, said.
Zimbabwe squad for Bangladesh triangular series: Hamilton Masakadza (captain), Regis Chakabva, Richmond Mutumbami, Sean Williams, Neville Madziva, Tinotenda Mutombodzi, Tony Munyonga, Kyle Jarvis, Tendai Chatara, Christopher Mpofu, Craig Ervine, Brendan Taylor, Ainsley Ndlovu, Timycen Maruma, Ryan Burl
The squad otherwise has experienced players Brendan Taylor, Craig Ervine, Sean Williams and Christopher Mpofu in addition to an array of younger players like Tony Munyonga, Ainsley Ndlovu, Ryan Burl, Tinotenda Mutombodzi and Neville Madziva. Of them, Munyonga and Ndlovu will be in line for their T20I debuts.
Masakadza, having announced his decision to retire after this series, will be leading the side for the last time. "I was looking forward to the T20 WC Qualifier in Dubai next month, but with Zimbabwe barred from taking part in the event, I feel that the time is right for the focus to shift to the next generation," Masakadza had argued while announcing his retirement.
Zimbabwe, still suspended by ICC over "political interference", couldn't compete in the qualifiers for the next year's T20 WC in Australia, so the focus is firmly on the 2023 World Cup in India - the next global tournament they can compete in.
"We are now shifting our focus to rebuilding a new team and to do that we must gradually blood in younger players and create a new culture that encourages unity, hard work, professionalism and excellence," head coach Lalchand Rajput said. "We will not make wholesale changes, as we definitely still need some of the experienced players to help the new generation find their feet in international cricket.
"It is important that we still field a competitive side - that is why we have a good mix of youth and experience in the team that has been selected for the Bangladesh tour."
https://m.cricbuzz.com/cricket-news/109 ... ry-grounds
"It is important that we support our captain, whether it is Masakadza or anyone else, by creating an environment in which we can be confident he will have the full support of all players, with everyone pulling in the same direction and able to trust each other. It is for those reasons that we have decided to leave Raza out," Zimbabwe convenor of selectors, Walter Chawaguta, said.
Zimbabwe squad for Bangladesh triangular series: Hamilton Masakadza (captain), Regis Chakabva, Richmond Mutumbami, Sean Williams, Neville Madziva, Tinotenda Mutombodzi, Tony Munyonga, Kyle Jarvis, Tendai Chatara, Christopher Mpofu, Craig Ervine, Brendan Taylor, Ainsley Ndlovu, Timycen Maruma, Ryan Burl
The squad otherwise has experienced players Brendan Taylor, Craig Ervine, Sean Williams and Christopher Mpofu in addition to an array of younger players like Tony Munyonga, Ainsley Ndlovu, Ryan Burl, Tinotenda Mutombodzi and Neville Madziva. Of them, Munyonga and Ndlovu will be in line for their T20I debuts.
Masakadza, having announced his decision to retire after this series, will be leading the side for the last time. "I was looking forward to the T20 WC Qualifier in Dubai next month, but with Zimbabwe barred from taking part in the event, I feel that the time is right for the focus to shift to the next generation," Masakadza had argued while announcing his retirement.
Zimbabwe, still suspended by ICC over "political interference", couldn't compete in the qualifiers for the next year's T20 WC in Australia, so the focus is firmly on the 2023 World Cup in India - the next global tournament they can compete in.
"We are now shifting our focus to rebuilding a new team and to do that we must gradually blood in younger players and create a new culture that encourages unity, hard work, professionalism and excellence," head coach Lalchand Rajput said. "We will not make wholesale changes, as we definitely still need some of the experienced players to help the new generation find their feet in international cricket.
"It is important that we still field a competitive side - that is why we have a good mix of youth and experience in the team that has been selected for the Bangladesh tour."
https://m.cricbuzz.com/cricket-news/109 ... ry-grounds
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I guess 1 last F U from Hami. Surprised somebody actually made him crack in the end lol.. at least Raza will be back after this
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Beggars belief really, and the irony in what the coach and Chawaguta are saying (whilst picking the same old recycled players) is hilarious.
Musakanda, Murray, Moor, Burl, Mavuta, Ndlouvu (spelling) Mumba, K-long and Meyers should be being thought of every single time the selectors get together now. Nice to see Jakiel in there and it will be interesting to see if he has any pace, or if he's just a 75mph trundler with a unique and different action. Either way, ignoring players with youth and picking players with mental baggage and age on their side is not a recipe for success.
f**k it, TIZC
Musakanda, Murray, Moor, Burl, Mavuta, Ndlouvu (spelling) Mumba, K-long and Meyers should be being thought of every single time the selectors get together now. Nice to see Jakiel in there and it will be interesting to see if he has any pace, or if he's just a 75mph trundler with a unique and different action. Either way, ignoring players with youth and picking players with mental baggage and age on their side is not a recipe for success.
f**k it, TIZC
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This is quite ridiculous, as if we have talent aplenty. But when have we seen a Zim team selection without a controversy or two? Pretty much means that things have gotten so bitter between Hamilton and Raza that they can't be in the same XI. Sad and ironic that they hold the Zimbabwean ODI record for the highest partnership.
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I’m not sure what Raza may have said or done that the other whiteys didn’t. I’ve never seen the confidentiality clause on any contract, but I’d hazard a guess that the Zim one is about 97 pages long, you’d contravene a paragraph by breathing too loudly.
It’s been interesting listening to the Nasser Hussein documentary on KP. Obviously all those guys are free of their contracts and can speak their minds, or as much as an Englishman does vent, they’re spectacularly reserved.
Chawaguta’s version of blooding new young players is going to be a long process 😂
They’ve got one guy only in the bank that may make a difference and that’s young Myers, and if they blunder and throw him in the deep end against a good side he will struggle. If I were them I’d give him a shot against Nepal or Singapore though, he’ll embarrass a couple of the stalwarts.
We’re in the same old rut with the same old people, it’s only going to get worse. Anyway nothing to do but to keep watching.
It’s been interesting listening to the Nasser Hussein documentary on KP. Obviously all those guys are free of their contracts and can speak their minds, or as much as an Englishman does vent, they’re spectacularly reserved.
Chawaguta’s version of blooding new young players is going to be a long process 😂
They’ve got one guy only in the bank that may make a difference and that’s young Myers, and if they blunder and throw him in the deep end against a good side he will struggle. If I were them I’d give him a shot against Nepal or Singapore though, he’ll embarrass a couple of the stalwarts.
We’re in the same old rut with the same old people, it’s only going to get worse. Anyway nothing to do but to keep watching.
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Disgusting not to see Raza in the squad. Leaving out their best T20 player is an absolute joke.
Is this the end for Raza? Or will he be back?
Is this the end for Raza? Or will he be back?
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With absolute certainty our best T20 player is Williams, hands down. Raza is a damned useful player for us and a bit of a talisman, but he’s not as good as people think.
I would guess his exclusion is not because of what he said publicly, but what went on in private, which is just spite at the end of the day. Nothing will change here, nor should it. Players and staff voted for things to remain exactly as they are and it’s only right that we see that play itself out. There are no more excuses, people had their chance and they must now just keep quiet and deal with the consequences.
I would guess his exclusion is not because of what he said publicly, but what went on in private, which is just spite at the end of the day. Nothing will change here, nor should it. Players and staff voted for things to remain exactly as they are and it’s only right that we see that play itself out. There are no more excuses, people had their chance and they must now just keep quiet and deal with the consequences.
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