Concrete evidence of corruption and theft?

zimbos_05 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2019 7:23 am

I do not know for certain, but Hamilton Masakadza has served as a domestic captain has he not? This just goes to prove that being a domestic captain does not necessarily mean you are a good national captain. PJ Moor has a better record that Hamilton.

Just because Vusi served as a domestic captain, does not mean he would be a good national captain. He could have been named domestic captain on favouritism and the national coach might have seen someone had more leadership qualities than him, hence their appointment.

Stop playing favourites.

The thing is, you don't get it. ZC has been run by incompetent buffoons and thieves for too long. They have stolen funds, ended careers, played nepotism and destroyed cricket in Zimbabwe.

We are sick and tired of this. We want a board that cares about the players, the fans and the game. We do not want to be suspended or expelled. However, we also do not want a Mukhulani board. Simple. We want the ICC to act properly and to let the interim board do their job and serve as the board of ZC.

You missed the point entirely. Which in itself underlines a critical sentence I raised in my post. So it's thank you I guess.

ZIMDOGGY wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2019 3:08 am

Criminal charges from the government and police must be brought against the board.

Then ICC can’t dictate a countries judicial system, so they will let it go or have a new election you’d think.

An aggrieved and embarassed US government - which felt cheated and outsmarted - did precisely that through the FBI as far as FIFA (and CONCACAF, UEFA, CAF, AFc, CFU etc), are concerned. But that's partly because of a terminal Chuck Blazer who didn't want to check out with a soiled conscience. It was epic and historic! I can;t wait to watch the movie if ever there is/was one!

Anyway,Trump is not about that nonsense of feigned morality and ethics. He wasn't about to let Putin bask in the glory of his 2018 being the greatest and most exciting Football World Cup ever. He took off the boxing gloves and got what he wanted without breaking much sweat. The game is dirty again! The game will always be dirty.

No proof of corruption has ever been found in Zimbabwe. But I can guarante you that if it was ever found to exist, it will bring down bankers(including the Central Bank and the Brtish's Barclays plus a few South African one), along with auditors such as PWC, D&T, KPMG and EY! The cherry on the top is ZANU PF bank accounts and Treasurers. Tp add to that, don't you think that some of those former Board Members and Executives don't at least have an undeclared "gift" in the form of a luxury watch or stuffed designer laptop bag from a Dalmiya, Pawar, Manohar or Srinivasan? Come on..come on...

So yes, ICC can't dictate a country's judicial system, and that's exactly what the US used - the countries' formal security, criminal and judicial systems.

I doubt possessing the ability draft affidavits and pass on instructions, or performing the backstroke faster than anyone else, means you can pull that off.

You need to ... blend in...

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zimbos_05 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2019 9:34 am
....honestly man, i've read better structured literature from 6 year olds.

Fair enough. I'll refrain from punching above my weight. Your original point is noted.

foreignfield wrote: ↑Sat Jul 27, 2019 9:30 am
Déjà-vu.

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I agree. "ZIMgene" :)

You guys never learn do you! Why?

Why, why, why, why, why?!?

At the height of farm invasions, violence, economic turmoil, star player revolts, a "dictator" at the helm overseeing a brutal despotic regime, white-led ICC and a less prominet BCCI, plus most importantly mass-exodus of virtually all selectable professional players, just after arguably one of the greatest ever batsma, and indeed a legend in keeper-batsman status - leaving you with raw teenagers, capped by the fact that patron of the "corrupt" organisation that was "misapproprating funds" was close if not related to the Chairman (Chingoka) and MD (Bvute), the ICC stood by ZC. Even while the political involvement in ZC by SRC happened then! Almost unanimous support each time!

Now, contrast that with the present. A "loved, heroic" President, whitewashed of his sins and embraced by the West, meant to lead ZIM to Canaan. With an adoring champion swimmer as his Sports Minister who together with the President's Son-in-law set out to repair ZC, and are armed with competent administrators with a proven track record. What happens? Without hesitation the ICC shows them the middle finger - UNANIMOUSLY!!!

And the best you can come up with is - "Mukuhlani lobbied this" - really Liam, such shallow, amateurish journalism bereft any analysis? From someone who is based in South Africa at that? Or from the the forum - "fear that ICC thought that funds might be misdirected to the govt via the son-in-law", as if that was not happening all along.

The simple answer - and some here alluded to it I think - is that ALL sports organisations and mother bodies are corrupt in many ways, and abuse/misappropriate funds in some way(ther are plenty articles are shared with you guys over the years of even the white farmer-players complaining about abuse of funds and poor salaries by ZCU people like Ellman-Brown and Hogg)! So what right do you think you have to dismiss these as if you are better than them or SLC, or CW etc? Heck I could argue that of Lalit Modi and Amit Shah had never completed the coup in cricket, they would not have taken control of India - and the management was nowhere near clean.

In our case rugby is an example. So corrupt and self-serving are its administrators, that rugby has survived inspite of them - the same argument that has always been made about ZC. SA Rugby should be way ahead of NZ, and never have lost to Japan or an Argentina anywhere close to them - even with transformation targets! Yet, corruption and mismanagemnt, not kolpaks/exports have harmed it. But I digress, and not without reason. What white of English descent has ever been at the helm of rugby in SA?

This Mlotshwa guy is not Shona. In fact, Mnangagwa is Karanga, not even Zezuru. That is why other Shonas can take him on over this, and he won't easily open his mouth and force things behind the scenes to hand over millions of US dollars to the control of a Ndebele surrounded by whiteys. I forget the name of that other Matabele that Coltart likes, and Coventrys are sure to bring him into the picture as far as executive oversight is concerned. Such things will never be allowed to happen in Zimbabwe.

Peter Moor is such a horrible List A/ODI batsman who should not even get close to the scent of a red shirt, yet he found himself as captain/vice-captain of an ODI side. Vusi Sibanda who was both Brendan Taylor and Hamilton Masakadza's captain at Province/Franchise/ZIM A-XI level has never been anything close to VC no matter how well he did. A player, virtually Pakistani, got that nod ahead of him. Has Chris Mpofu really been that bad a bowler? In the many years that I've watched Zimbabwe play cricket, I can think of no other bowler who has often outbowled those we trust more and yet still found himself dropped even more. Have you ever heard fellow Shona players make noise about their ill-treatment or lack of consideration? Mbangwa, Nkala the same! Who ever remembers them?

So the dynamics as far as this is concerned are very complex. If you are white stay away unless you have a very intimate understanding of things. What Mlotshwa has just done is akin to Joshua Nkomo "fleeing" to "exile" himself in England, and then expecting sympathy from other African states. Goodwill Mamhiyo is right that lack of education affects the players, but it's worth asking too considering what has just transpired, if the educated, are truly educated.

robbocricket wrote: ↑Wed Jul 24, 2019 12:43 pm
Why should Zim (a full member) get massive amounts of money (most of which goes down the plughole and not into cricket) when some Associate members have more grounds, more cricketers, more coaches, more clubs, more leagues, more development programmes etc than Zim and yet receive only a fraction of the money Zim get

This is misleading.

The Zimbabwe economy is in tatters, so ZC does more than the normal Full Member. This includes a war troubled Afghanistan with large support an Advertising income.

ZC has to even pay for players to travel and be accomodated for pratice and games at Provincial level.

Sure the Administrators are squandering a portion of it, but why blams administrators, when a player just told you that "heroes" like Raza, Taylor and Williams were happy to pocket us$400k each of CWC funds, and leave domestic players with nothing.

Just think of the amount of money Taylor and Jarvis have been earning all along, and for what?

Do you honestly think a ZC administrator's salary, car, hotel fees, air tickets and other hidden benefits plus the little they steal would come anywhere close to that and even the best Accountants/Auditors be able to conceal it. let's be realistic here.

If Mlotshwa is really that competent, he should have those figures and have gotten those Accountants and Auditing firms expelled from professional bdies. let them achieve that simpe task.

Otherwise, point fingers at the greedy players. let' stop with the hearsay and rumours, and focus on the facts and common sense. Should be very easy to prove corruption and maladministration.

Faisal Hasnain is not in Zimbabwe and is free to be a witness to the Mlotshwa-Coventry team. Why don't they approach him? Alister Campbell has been involved in the thick of things. He can secretly share/leak info for security. Same with the 'loved' Manase who was ousted.

Zimbabwe is a failed economy with extremely expensive basic goods and services.

CrimsonAvenger wrote: ↑Wed Jul 24, 2019 3:58 pm

encore wrote: ↑Wed Jul 24, 2019 9:11 am

Heck I could argue that of Lalit Modi and Amit Shah had never completed the coup in cricket, they would not have taken control of India - and the management was nowhere near clean.

What does that even mean? The first guy is the much-maligned cricket administrator and the second one is a politician who has nothing to do with cricket...

My mistake Narendra not Lalit. Surely you could have picked that error up.

Shah effectively used the massively popular sport of cricket to gain power and supprot for BJP, through infiltrating all its levers and structures.