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ZIMBABWE ODI SQUAD: Craig Ervine (captain), Faraz Akram, Brian Bennett, Joylord Gumbie, Trevor Gwandu, Clive Madande, Tinotenda Maposa, Tadiwanashe Marumani, Brandon Mavuta, Tashinga Musekiwa, Blessing Muzarabani, Dion Myers, Richard Ngarava, Sikandar Raza, Sean Williams

ZIMBABWE T20I SQUAD:

Sikandar Raza (captain), Faraz Akram, Brian Bennett, Ryan Burl, Trevor Gwandu, Clive Madande, Wessly Madhevere, Tinotenda Maposa, Tadiwanashe Marumani, Wellington Masakadza, Brandon Mavuta, Tashinga Musekiwa, Blessing Muzarabani, Dion Myers, Richard Ngarava
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Zimbabwe will be playing the most number of tests in a very long time and the women team just got onto the FTP program as well. Things looking up indeed for the small african nation. Like half the team is under 25 and a bunch of young players coming up as well.
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When does Bawa finish Uni? He would be the one to fast track as I imagine they will. May be curtains for madhevere then.
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Googly wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2024 7:42 pm

I'm not sure there's an upside to facing Harris Rauf on debut 😂 , or any of those Pakistani quicks.

This will be a stern test for the new and old Zim batters.

What Mutendira should have done is throw in all the whites, watch them get skittled and then there would be no noise from the armchair critics and he could have had at least a year of peace and quiet whilst he continued to plot Zim cricket's inexorable slide into oblivion. He missed a trick.


I guess that is the "glass half full" view the guys who weren't picked can take. Let guys struggle badly against the top teams, bang some runs domestically with no pressure from the national team guys then hopefully get a chance against Ireland.

I always point out that Kaitano's stats don't do him justice because most of his international games have been difficult. 5 games against Sri Lanka away. 2 against India. 1 against Australia away, 2 against Bangladesh and only 1 even match which was against Ireland.

In a system that the selectors want to can specific people, you want to start off against the Rwanda's. Welch struggling against that kind of opposition is a solid excuse for them to keep him out if I'm being honest
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Marshmallow wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2024 3:23 pm

Googly you missed Masuku :cry:


Ya sorry.

And Chatara. Let me tell you Chatara doesn't want to be done yet and a good spell from Larry is world class, despite his lack of pace.
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TapsC2 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 21, 2024 4:11 am


Googly wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2024 7:42 pm

I'm not sure there's an upside to facing Harris Rauf on debut 😂 , or any of those Pakistani quicks.

This will be a stern test for the new and old Zim batters.

What Mutendira should have done is throw in all the whites, watch them get skittled and then there would be no noise from the armchair critics and he could have had at least a year of peace and quiet whilst he continued to plot Zim cricket's inexorable slide into oblivion. He missed a trick.


I guess that is the "glass half full" view the guys who weren't picked can take. Let guys struggle badly against the top teams, bang some runs domestically with no pressure from the national team guys then hopefully get a chance against Ireland.

I always point out that Kaitano's stats don't do him justice because most of his international games have been difficult. 5 games against Sri Lanka away. 2 against India. 1 against Australia away, 2 against Bangladesh and only 1 even match which was against Ireland.

In a system that the selectors want to can specific people, you want to start off against the Rwanda's. Welch struggling against that kind of opposition is a solid excuse for them to keep him out if I'm being honest


😂 it was Namibia on a doctored wet pitch that barely anybody made runs on.
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Donald wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2024 6:46 pm

Obviously we understand that Matt Welch is injured but if he pops up like a gallery duck for mountaineers on Sunday then some serious questions need to be asked regarding his non inclusion for Pakistan matches.


Played in a Mountaineers practice match yesterday. (Chatara 2-5 in 7 overs)
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aydee wrote: ↑Thu Nov 21, 2024 8:05 am


Donald wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2024 6:46 pm

Obviously we understand that Matt Welch is injured but if he pops up like a gallery duck for mountaineers on Sunday then some serious questions need to be asked regarding his non inclusion for Pakistan matches.


Played in a Mountaineers practice match yesterday. (Chatara 2-5 in 7 overs)


He should have been on the Pakistan squad then.
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Donald wrote: ↑Thu Nov 21, 2024 9:19 am


aydee wrote: ↑Thu Nov 21, 2024 8:05 am


Donald wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2024 6:46 pm

Obviously we understand that Matt Welch is injured but if he pops up like a gallery duck for mountaineers on Sunday then some serious questions need to be asked regarding his non inclusion for Pakistan matches.


Played in a Mountaineers practice match yesterday. (Chatara 2-5 in 7 overs)


He should have been on the Pakistan squad then.


Tbf, he's barely played any 50 over or T20 cricket. Would have a stronger case in red ball, and may have stronger case across the board come the Afghanistan/Ireland series.
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Zolsky is really scraping the bottom of the barrell now comparing madhevere to Alastair Campbell start of international career.
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Wore through the bottom of that barrel and into the dirt years ago.

He hates murungus 😂 😂 was he trying to make a good or bad comparison?

Total loser is old zolsky
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Pat_Bee wrote: ↑Thu Nov 21, 2024 7:43 pm

Wore through the bottom of that barrel and into the dirt years ago.

He hates murungus 😂 😂 was he trying to make a good or bad comparison?

Total loser is old zolsky


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Basically justifying Wesley inclusion because 24 years ago Alastair Campbell had a bad start to international career also 😅😅😅😅.

No wonder our cricket is in the gutter
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A lot of rain in Bulawayo over the next week.
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Rain is desperately needed in Bulawayo
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Turning out to be good weekend for cricket lovers.

I'm sure DWL will bite us at some point.
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Wes won't last long. I give him 12 months max. Mentally he is done. I think the pressure is just too much. The fact that he plays the ball in the air but doesn't have enough power will be constantly exploited. International cricket is rough. The moment people find your weakness is the sink or swim moment. Every player goes through it at different stages in their career. Unfortunately our domestic system isn't strong enough for someone to adjust a flaw on their own.

My prediction is that Naqvi will be his eventual replacement and trust me the people in charge won't have a problem with it. Bawa will probably be done with Uni as well plus my gut feeling is that Mangongo will give Welch Jr and Sr so much game time that they will figure it out and be hard to ignore.
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I just saw a Zolsky Danielsson exchange where he is accusing him of being Alistair Campbell 😂

That would account for Jonno not being selected.

Ya I think Larry is going to have a big season this year. I love comeback stories.
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I think there's a good chance Knackers is going to have a patchy season this year. He's had an average start to it and I'm suspecting there's a while to go before he gets clearance and I think he's quite an emotional guy.

He was seen netting with BT which would indicate he's down on confidence and trying something different.

The thing with Wes is that the law of averages dictates that he'll have a good innings soon enough.

Whether that breaks the shackles or not remains to be seen, but it will give him another extension.

ZC are going to keep backing him, grimly determined to prove a point. Not entirely sure what the point is?

That they can produce a high class young black batter? They've got other options now- Dion and Emmanuel.

The point they're being asked to prove is that they're not biased and their main defence is they picked a losing side with 6 white guys a few years ago.

Guys like Bennett, Myers and Bhawa will have a bad run at some point because that's the nature of cricket. It's going to be interesting and probably very poor how they deal with that.

Dion is getting smoke blown up his arse because they believe they've finally found a black champion. I'm 99% certain he's level headed enuf not to buy into that. Then they're compounding it by saying he's the next captain. You just can't be saying that about a guy who's yet to face his first stern test.

They ruined Wes and Luke early in their careers with this nonsense and have learnt nothing.

I get the desperation but it should be to find anybody new that can do well internationally, that's what the rest of Zimbabwe are voting for.
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Taps you made a really good point about having a flaw and our cricket not being strong enuf to make the adjustments.

In other systems that usually gets found out the level below and if you don't sort it out you don't get to FC.

Then in our Franchise the bowlers are generally not accurate enuf to exploit that flaw. They get some balls right but they give u respite.

I know that batters with good networks and by that I mean a good personal coach, friend, relative, fellow player spots a problem creeping in and they spend hours trying to work it out. Cricket is like golf, a flaw can creep into even your best shot and u have to spend time smoothing it out. The top batters have real self awareness and solve glitches quickly or develop methods of combating them.

When you see guys like Wes and Maru making the same mistakes for extended periods something is very wrong. I mean a guy like Sammonds should be able to say- right go to Houghton or Brent or BT or Matsi and work on this and don't come back until it's fixed.

He doesn't have the time, he's dealing with 15 other guys and hierarchical children in his ear.

Oh I see Maru actually has a WhatsApp fan group.

He got a heroes welcome after those qualifiers. He's such a good guy and I think he's very level headed, but he has a couple of flaws that he's not resolving.
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I mean a lot of these people are still all very young.

They just mange them so poorly.

I mean when they all started they should have said look we will give you a run of 6 games and then play some A cricket and just rotate them through.

The need to be looking at A sides playing 6 weeks before or after a series. That way you can actually drop people without them not playing for ages.
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Agreed. They need to make plans playing against South African sides, even if its their franchise B sides, I'm sure they're always looking for games.

The problem with Mukhulani being Africa boss is any A games are now likely to be against Chad, Liberia and Guinea Bissau and it's completely pointless.

We learn nothing from that level of cricket.

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