Zimbabwe vs Pakistan 2nd ODI November 26th 2024

They're so weird 😂

Imagine how much cricket is going on in the sub-continent and yet they follow our cricket quite closely. I wonder if they're all over other member nation forums and chat groups as well?

It has to be a betting thing surely? Maybe a portion of them will focus on Zim because that's where they bet?

I see Larry has defended today’s poor performance because we are, I quote, ‘in transition building for the 2027 world cup’.

Most of the team is actually now very experienced. And transition?!?! f**k me. 25 years of ‘transition’. Are we transition into a new transition period? Or transitioning out of the last transition period? Are was transitioning into a team in permanent transition? 😂

Marshmallow wrote: ↑Tue Nov 26, 2024 11:24 am

https://x.com/nhamo_c/status/1861330297 ... YBTKw&s=19

Next target is our forum 😂.

Who is the parent here? Googly, SZ ;Who among you is the father of the future franchise player? 😂 😂 😂

It’s me, father of the naqvis. Rich AF. Silver grills for teeth.Have a gold crusted toilet seat and diamond studded umbrella and drive a hellcut. Use dollars as napkins

secretzimbo wrote: ↑Tue Nov 26, 2024 11:42 am

Marshmallow wrote: ↑Tue Nov 26, 2024 11:24 am

https://x.com/nhamo_c/status/1861330297 ... YBTKw&s=19

Next target is our forum 😂.

Who is the parent here? Googly, SZ ;Who among you is the father of the future franchise player? 😂 😂 😂

Rent free in Frank and his pals heads. Rent free 😂

I saw Frank’s assertion that ZCF should be renamed RCF and is full of racist old rhodesians who post racist white supremacist stuff non stop. Hilarious.

The ZC lot still read this forum every day, they can’t help themselves. As I say - rent free 😂 😂

Most people here that I know are mid to late thirties. Easily verified as many don’t hide their identity.

Whites in all commonwealth countries, as well as Indians posting out of the sub continent, and locals, white and black, all generally arrive at the same conclusion about ZC here.

All telepathic racists across multiple demographs I guess.

Our internationals are so few and far between (or that's what it feels like) that experience doesn't count for much if your last ODI was nearly a year ago.

Ya the rebuilding story after 25 years is exhausting. I can see they're more or less going to stick with these squads, and even within the squads they're going to chop and change enough to make those affected too s**t scared to play with any clarity.

I even saw that Larry implied that Wes went downhill under Houghton. Maybe he did, I dunno? I recall Raza winning most of the games for us singlehandedly. Our best winning spell ever so it has to count for something, even if it was by one person's purple patch.

The one person under the pump has to be Mutendira. Does he ever have to write a report on his selections? He must be pretty convincing because he's been a selector for a very long time with damaging results. Maybe they all think it doesn't really matter who they pick, we'll still get d**ked? They're probably right in that regard.

We've got an expert in the house- Houghton, whom we know as a fact could only make recommendations during his tenure. ZC should clarify David's role and his credentials and the results he's had. The Zimbabwe cricketing public almost universally want to see him out of this role. I know that counts for nothing, but it should.

I like how Mawoza says the runs over the last few days in Franchise don't count for much because the standard is so s**t. Is that an admission of years of poor administration? It surely has to be of a higher standard than the NPL?

So now nobody can put their hand up because the franchise standard is s**t and the NPL is s**t? Where do you make your runs or take your wickets now to get noticed?

Even runs or wickets in regionals doesn't seem to count for much?

So if you ever get picked for an A side at some point in the distant future and don't do particularly well and the national guys keep underperforming does the status quo remain because they're doing badly at a higher level???

Does Dion's high score of 30 keep him safe? Does Brian's 14 off 26? I'm not suggesting a swap, give them plenty of rope, they're good.

Run outs only count against you if you're Campbell?

They're desperately trying to get some parameters in place that suit their selections. It's so lame. Someone with real knowledge has to start picking with a bit of instinct.

If its these guys currently then no problem, stick by your guns and give them multiple games, most have had multiple games though, but give them 20 more, but then give someone else 50 games and 2 years, just like AC had and Madhevere has had. That's Mawoza's argument that if it was good for whites then it must hold for blacks 30 years later. He omits to say that its only for select black guys. The list of prejudiced black guys these last 20 years is also long. Are they collateral damage? Jeez what an axe he has to grind. For some guys the 2 years is nearly up. Give Wes another nailbiting series. I'm not gunning the guy, his head has gone and he's got a whole career ahead of him, let him reinvent himself in his own time, he's unbelievably talented and I pray he finds a way.

This chopping changing damages everyone, but they've got no bottle and panic, we've seen it for years. Stick with your selections until it's clear it's doomed. You may be pleasantly surprised,a couple of guys will find a way. Maru is close. Averages 16 at 65% according to the TV, which just proves stats really mean jack s**t to them if it doesn't suit.

I've got no problems with his stats, we know he can play. Give him another dozen games without bothering him and help him in every way possible, but if he continues to flatter to deceive let's give someone else an extended go to find their feet.

I still don't think Wez should be classed as a passenger. Like Googly said, he is immensely talented and just needs time away from the international spotlight.

Frank Mawoza is the epitome of what is wrong with Zimbabwean Cricket. A man (if we can call him that) with very little cricketing knowledge in a position of leadership who has a chip on his shoulder.

Keep nibbling Frank, you're wonderful entertainment. Laughing stock

sloandog wrote: ↑Tue Nov 26, 2024 3:16 pm

I still don't think Wez should be classed as a passenger. Like Googly said, he is immensely talented and just needs time away from the international spotlight.

Frank Mawoza is the epitome of what is wrong with Zimbabwean Cricket. A man (if we can call him that) with very little cricketing knowledge in a position of leadership who has a chip on his shoulder.

Keep nibbling Frank, you're wonderful entertainment. Laughing stock

Well it's not really entertainment. It's horribly toxic.

As usual they blame others for exactly what they are guilty of themselves. They've set cricket back 20 years or more. We're literally in last chance saloon, there are no other cricketers coming thru and they've got a couple of years to try and turn it around. It's probably too late but stop pretending to try and actually try .

When I say entertaining I'm more referring to the fact he's making a complete tit of himself online, not the actual subject of his dribble

That 30 list thing was mentioned on Larry's podcast with Darlington Matambanadzo who has the distinction of introducing Bvute to cricket. There's some info on Darlington on this forum. Talented guy but turned to drink and messed his career. It's a common theme- become a Chosen One and take your foot off the pedal, almost every time post 2000.

Wouldn't it be good to see who's on Central Contract and what they're getting. I'd be massively surprised if it was as much as 10 players.

An A franchise contract is 500 plus match fees. Probably comes to about a 1000 a month after tax and there's probably 5 guys on that countrywide. That would be if they played every game. That's for the 4 month season only. The rest of the year they have to catch rats. One good bat costs about 500 bucks 😂

Everyone else can't buy 3 square meals a day for themselves, never mind wife,kids and dependants.

Hence the sadza and one piece of road kill at $1 a meal.

So the players, who are the heart and soul of this endeavour are getting royally f☆ed. Compare this to admin. If Frank gets more than someone like Chatara or even the up and coming guys then the system is completely and utterly broken. We so desperately need transparency and accountability.

The players pray for 30 guys to be able to live like humans. It's annoying when the bosses arrive in fancy cars and pointy shoes when you've just had to swallow a barbecued field rat. We're in one of the few places where that's accepted in glum resignation.

I disagree with the different squads for different formats. Most of the good players are comfortable in all formats. We don't have anywhere near enough good players to have different squads. Maybe a couple err towards one brand of cricket, but that's it.

What we do need is to have 30 guys getting a year round salary. It just ain't gonna happen. A good QS at the Batonka stadium would save millions, but of course that's not the intention 😂

These guys will pull stats from two years ago or 2 days ago depending on who we're talking about.

Frank and Co are stuck on the 2 year thing. That does equate to about 9 games against the good sides. Stats against Mozambique honestly shouldn't count.

I see Larry blowing smoke about Dion, our once a generational talent - he could have Andy Flower numbers....if he wanted to.

They repeat the same mistakes ad nauseum. Well of course he wants to but if you put him on a pedestal and he doesn't have the mind for it he's gonna crash.

Dion will dodge that, but he's not a once a generation talent, he's just a really good player that needs to stay grounded and continue to work hard that could go on and do well for us. Unfortunately he needs 10 other guys to do the same or it's a bit pointless 😂

Already they're panicking about yesterday's thrashing. Just hold your nerve and persevere with that team. Maybe TG needs to be replaced. Give Faraz a game. If they make a flat pitch then maybe Brandon as well. That's all. Leave the batters alone.

Overlord is one of the few guys that looks solid at international level, he may not have the numbers but he looks organised, give him a bit of time. He's on thin ice and shouldn't be, he's a better opener than Maru. Opening is tough.

That flat pitch thing- we never win on a flat pitch. We win low scoring thrillas.

It's so hard to try and make a point without casting aspersions on a player, and I really hate doing that because it's just not cool. Everyone is doing their best, maybe some guys prepare a lot better than others, I don't know most of these national guys' work ethic, but I assume it's pretty good.

Anyway having said that maybe next series find room for Madande and Musekiwa. They're firmly part of the long term plan, but they keep getting hidden with a game here or there down the order. These are the guys that they can hide for years and keep better players out, and thats firmly the intention. Give them game time front and centre so we can see.

A front line batsman doing well in franchise is better than these two guys all day. They can bat up or down. These guys however will struggle to bat up because they've had very limited exposure there.

Post the 30 player list, Taps. Let's get that dialled in.