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sam_ahm wrote: āFri Aug 25, 2023 8:58 am
Problem is that when FTP was getting finalised, Zimbabwe were in total mess. Hence no one really wanted to play against Zim, except for an odd series. I'm sure if FTP was to be prepared today, Zimbabwe would have got a better deal.
Even now, as far as there are no cancellations we should have good amount of games starting November... We might end up playing Ireland a 1000 times in the next 3 years btw.
I wouldn't mind a couple game in Northern Ireland, were I am, but Ireland seem to play all their games either in the Republic or overseas. Large Indian community in Belfast and lots of clubs around these days
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I really hate playing agaisnt these associates.
We are getting conditioned to playing against 125 km bowlers.
And I donāt see the point supporting them if they are playing 2nd rate teams only. Not passionately anyway.
I donāt get any satisfaction on watchful them beat Ireland or Nepal.
I want them to play top ten teams with associates sprinkled in.
Thatās what fires us up.
We are getting conditioned to playing against 125 km bowlers.
And I donāt see the point supporting them if they are playing 2nd rate teams only. Not passionately anyway.
I donāt get any satisfaction on watchful them beat Ireland or Nepal.
I want them to play top ten teams with associates sprinkled in.
Thatās what fires us up.
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sam_ahm wrote: āFri Aug 25, 2023 8:58 am
Problem is that when FTP was getting finalised, Zimbabwe were in total mess. Hence no one really wanted to play against Zim, except for an odd series. I'm sure if FTP was to be prepared today, Zimbabwe would have got a better deal.
How do you figure that necessarily? ZIM actually did worse at the 2023 WCQ (4th place) than in 2018 (3rd place) in terms of where they finished. In both tournaments they were knocked out by a team that itself did not qualify for the WC. For most outsiders, the end results still look very much the same.
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Haha seen him skulking around on Mst Monira Khatunās Facebook page like half of Bangladesh.
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Kriterion_BD wrote: āFri Aug 25, 2023 8:34 pm
sam_ahm wrote: āFri Aug 25, 2023 8:58 am
Problem is that when FTP was getting finalised, Zimbabwe were in total mess. Hence no one really wanted to play against Zim, except for an odd series. I'm sure if FTP was to be prepared today, Zimbabwe would have got a better deal.
How do you figure that necessarily? ZIM actually did worse at the 2023 WCQ (4th place) than in 2018 (3rd place) in terms of where they finished. In both tournaments they were knocked out by a team that itself did not qualify for the WC. For most outsiders, the end results still look very much the same.
For someone who relatively follows Zimbabwe cricket, it's outrageous for you to suggest they did worse compared to 2018. Even if you refer to the outside eye i.e, the people who barely follow Zim Cricket, victories against Pak in the wc, against Australia, Bangladesh, then India barely breezing past in one game, standalone performances of Raza, Williams and Ngarava definitely have caught the eye. While I was back home in India , I noticed the differences as well. Up till now people were ignorant following the slump of ZC over the last two decades. They only knew Masakadza and Taylor at most and even recently Zimbabwe Cricket used to be a meme in India while being coined with Pakistan. Circumstances have changed and now Williams, Raza, Burl and company are quite well known. It's absolutely out of order what you're suggesting here.
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Crastle_cog wrote: āFri Aug 25, 2023 10:02 pm
For someone who relatively follows Zimbabwe cricket, it's outrageous for you to suggest they did worse compared to 2018. Even if you refer to the outside eye i.e, the people who barely follow Zim Cricket, victories against Pak in the wc, against Australia, Bangladesh, then India barely breezing past in one game, standalone performances of Raza, Williams and Ngarava definitely have caught the eye. While I was back home in India , I noticed the differences as well. Up till now people were ignorant following the slump of ZC over the last two decades. They only knew Masakadza and Taylor at most and even recently Zimbabwe Cricket used to be a meme in India while being coined with Pakistan. Circumstances have changed and now Williams, Raza, Burl and company are quite well known. It's absolutely out of order what you're suggesting here.
I'm just talking results wise, ZIM were 4th this year, 3rd in 2018. The standard of opposition was probably better this time around, but still.
At the end of the day, most outsiders, look at results.
Put it this way: If India wins every game in the World Cup but loses in the semi-final, very few Indians will say "we were 9-1, thats a very good record". At the end of the day its going to be about the result.
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Crastle_cog wrote: āFri Aug 25, 2023 10:02 pm
They only knew Masakadza and Taylor at most and even recently Zimbabwe Cricket used to be a meme in India while being coined with Pakistan.
Used to be a meme š š letās not get ahead of ourselves yo. Zimbabar will do the rounds forever more and Kohli was cropping up everywhere in a photoshopped Zim kit when he went about 4 years without getting an international ton.
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Ya literally results wise I guess it was worse than 2018. To some fans results are all that matters, to other fans the story as a whole matters and weāre generally a better side than the 2018 side. Weāve come so far since then that weāre a completely different team.
Go and WhatsApp Monira hey see what she thinks of it all.
Go and WhatsApp Monira hey see what she thinks of it all.
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Pat_Bee wrote: āSat Aug 26, 2023 6:34 am
Crastle_cog wrote: āFri Aug 25, 2023 10:02 pm
They only knew Masakadza and Taylor at most and even recently Zimbabwe Cricket used to be a meme in India while being coined with Pakistan.
Used to be a meme š š letās not get ahead of ourselves yo. Zimbabar will do the rounds forever more and Kohli was cropping up everywhere in a photoshopped Zim kit when he went about 4 years without getting an international ton.
What I mean by 'used to' is in relation to the proportions. It wasn't your regular day in the office where you saw the Zimbabwe players getting any sort of respect or fame outside Zim. Now a few of them certainly do and that has elevated the image of the team I would argue.
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Kriterion_BD wrote: āFri Aug 25, 2023 8:34 pm
sam_ahm wrote: āFri Aug 25, 2023 8:58 am
Problem is that when FTP was getting finalised, Zimbabwe were in total mess. Hence no one really wanted to play against Zim, except for an odd series. I'm sure if FTP was to be prepared today, Zimbabwe would have got a better deal.
How do you figure that necessarily? ZIM actually did worse at the 2023 WCQ (4th place) than in 2018 (3rd place) in terms of where they finished. In both tournaments they were knocked out by a team that itself did not qualify for the WC. For most outsiders, the end results still look very much the same.
It's a no brainer. Zimbabwe in 2023 is better respected than Zimbabwe in May 2022. Yes, people look at the results and that is exactly why they would have got a better deal. Why are you only talking about WCQ? And even here Zimbabwe won more games than in 2018.
2019 they were not even part of T20WCQ but in 2022 they qualified and even made it to the main Super 12 round and then beat the eventual runners up.
I mean I need not even repeat this all over again, we all know the results of ZCT over the last 15 months and of you even remotely follow ZC you'd know they are far better than preceding years.
Going by your logic, since Bangladesh have more or less done the same in every WC (failed to make the Semi Finals even once) we should consider that Bangladesh cricket has not progressed at all in last 20 years?
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Zimdesh really, getting beat in both the t20 and ODI series last year against a Zimbabwe side thatās allegedly worse than the 2018 side.
That 2018 side had BT who was doing lines the size of the popping crease and seeing it like a beach ball. Thereās no competing with that, clean cut Raza and Williams running the show. Easy to see how we did do worse.
That 2018 side had BT who was doing lines the size of the popping crease and seeing it like a beach ball. Thereās no competing with that, clean cut Raza and Williams running the show. Easy to see how we did do worse.
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sam_ahm wrote: āSat Aug 26, 2023 8:25 pm
Going by your logic, since Bangladesh have more or less done the same in every WC (failed to make the Semi Finals even once) we should consider that Bangladesh cricket has not progressed at all in last 20 years?
Thats actually exactly correct. No one cares about all the bilaterals that Bangladesh have won the past few years if they are only going to finish the World Cup in 8th place. So what if they beat Australia 3-0 at home before or after that? Its time for something new otherwise the legacy of Shakib, Tamim, and Mushfiq will be that they won 5 or 6 Tests against top teams, a bunch of ODI series, and always finished around 8th place in a World Cup.
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Kriterion_BD wrote: āSun Aug 27, 2023 5:49 pm
sam_ahm wrote: āSat Aug 26, 2023 8:25 pm
Going by your logic, since Bangladesh have more or less done the same in every WC (failed to make the Semi Finals even once) we should consider that Bangladesh cricket has not progressed at all in last 20 years?
Thats actually exactly correct. No one cares about all the bilaterals that Bangladesh have won the past few years if they are only going to finish the World Cup in 8th place. So what if they beat Australia 3-0 at home before or after that? Its time for something new otherwise the legacy of Shakib, Tamim, and Mushfiq will be that they won 5 or 6 Tests against top teams, a bunch of ODI series, and always finished around 8th place in a World Cup.
No, that's not correct because Bangladesh is far more respected now than they were, say in 2003, and hence get fixtures against all the big nations. Isn't that obvious? And they've done well to achieve that.
Same way Zimbabwe can get better fixtures if they, at least, keep a decent bilaterals record.
Other than PCB, BCB has also been very supportive of Zimbabwe cricket along with SLC.
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sam_ahm wrote: āMon Aug 28, 2023 3:28 am
No, that's not correct because Bangladesh is far more respected now than they were, say in 2003
Respected by whom exactly?
They havenāt toured England since 2010 or Australia since 2003. Havenāt played either in a bilateral Test in 6-7 years.
I canāt complain too much because we are probably respected at the SL/WI level and overall thatās about where we stand. No complaints there.
Bilateral wins are good but only because they have been consistent for 7-8 years now, but even then, the perception of Bangladesh hasnāt changed much in England Australia or India. And thatās the only thing that really matters.
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ShareSo the SA Emerging Side will be a stand alone team in the CSA One Day Cup (a List A Competition). This is what we call progressive thinking not what ZC did sending international capped players masquerading as āemergingā players.
Mayibongwe Maketa will be leading the SA Emerging Squad in the One Day Cup this season
Justin Sammons & Paul Adams will be joining him
Their 1st fixture starts today at 10 am v Knights at Bloem #CSAOneDayCup
Some here supported them. With that kind of mentality thatās why cricket in zimbabwe will never go anywhere. You will win a few games (flatter to deceive) then boom crucial moment you get disappointed they fail to qualify. Itās now two straight ODI World Cups no appearance. If you ever think Zim will qualify again with the current system and setup in place think again and get mental help.
Yāall support nonsense care about results that in the long run means fokol. You were satisfied that a team with 8/9 capped won one or two games against South African Kids who donāt even have experience šššš. What did it benefit Zim Cricket apart from the embarrassment of ultimately losing the series.
Those supporting the nonsense at ZC yāall full of s**t, lack exposure to decent development cricket setups. All you do is make noise but yet know nothing.
If youāre offended you can shout at me all you want but this doesnāt change anything and I donāt give a f**k Iām likely not going to read your comments. I only read and reply to a few cricketing brains here.
Mayibongwe Maketa will be leading the SA Emerging Squad in the One Day Cup this season
Justin Sammons & Paul Adams will be joining him
Their 1st fixture starts today at 10 am v Knights at Bloem #CSAOneDayCup
Some here supported them. With that kind of mentality thatās why cricket in zimbabwe will never go anywhere. You will win a few games (flatter to deceive) then boom crucial moment you get disappointed they fail to qualify. Itās now two straight ODI World Cups no appearance. If you ever think Zim will qualify again with the current system and setup in place think again and get mental help.
Yāall support nonsense care about results that in the long run means fokol. You were satisfied that a team with 8/9 capped won one or two games against South African Kids who donāt even have experience šššš. What did it benefit Zim Cricket apart from the embarrassment of ultimately losing the series.
Those supporting the nonsense at ZC yāall full of s**t, lack exposure to decent development cricket setups. All you do is make noise but yet know nothing.
If youāre offended you can shout at me all you want but this doesnāt change anything and I donāt give a f**k Iām likely not going to read your comments. I only read and reply to a few cricketing brains here.
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There aren't enough decent players to pick an Emerging squad that could compete with SA emerging, that's the sad fact.
ZC policies over the last 20 years have contributed to that and cricket has lost traction at schoolboy level.
Resurrecting that would take years of good governance before boys felt they could put in the time to become good players. The first step is age group cricket, and it has to be well managed, not buy a spot with some kit and a chicken burger.
Everything hinges on the national side doing moderately well. Always has and always will.
If you consider 5 franchises with 60 decent players, take 25 out that are in the national side or capped that only leaves 35 players to make up an A side and an Emerging side. We don't have the numbers to send in unblooded players aged from 19-23 so your expectations are a bit unrealistic.
ZC policies over the last 20 years have contributed to that and cricket has lost traction at schoolboy level.
Resurrecting that would take years of good governance before boys felt they could put in the time to become good players. The first step is age group cricket, and it has to be well managed, not buy a spot with some kit and a chicken burger.
Everything hinges on the national side doing moderately well. Always has and always will.
If you consider 5 franchises with 60 decent players, take 25 out that are in the national side or capped that only leaves 35 players to make up an A side and an Emerging side. We don't have the numbers to send in unblooded players aged from 19-23 so your expectations are a bit unrealistic.
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Googly wrote: āTue Sep 19, 2023 10:46 am
There aren't enough decent players to pick an Emerging squad that could compete with SA emerging, that's the sad fact.
ZC policies over the last 20 years have contributed to that and cricket has lost traction at schoolboy level.
Resurrecting that would take years of good governance before boys felt they could put in the time to become good players. The first step is age group cricket, and it has to be well managed, not buy a spot with some kit and a chicken burger.
Everything hinges on the national side doing moderately well. Always has and always will.
If you consider 5 franchises with 60 decent players, take 25 out that are in the national side or capped that only leaves 35 players to make up an A side and an Emerging side. We don't have the numbers to send in unblooded players aged from 19-23 so your expectations are a bit unrealistic.
Expectations are realistic. For example at Eagles with Chris Silverwood we had main Franchise side and the 2nd XI plus a development/u19 side. Thatās already a pool of 50 players. Chris Silverwood had overall responsibility of the 3 sides and appointed his own assistants when he is not available. He was a work horse and hands on. All players with full contracts we distributed to local clubs to balance the teams and improve competition in the Vigne Cup. If one was not on Franchise duty one had to play club cricket and if you donāt you was going to be sanctioned.
Other franchises had first team and 2nd XI sides. The franchise 2nd XI league was strong (Raza played in that for a while). Thats when players like Kuda Munyede, Tatenda Mupunga, Mark Mbofana, Tatenda Manatsa, were unearthed. You just need cricketing brains to implement this and improve the quality of coaching. Send local coaches to SA for refreshers courses or bring expert coaches to do refresher courses for local coaches to improve their knowledge.
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