Ashes 2023

jaybro wrote: ↑Sun Jul 02, 2023 11:41 pm

eugene wrote: ↑Sun Jul 02, 2023 11:20 pm

Thoughts on the Bairstow dismissal?

Personally I think it is pretty poor. I don't have a problem with the mankad as the non-striker is trying to gain an unfair advantage but it Bairstow's case he wasn't gaining anything by walking down the wicket. He was careless and should have known better, but it is a cheap way for Australia to get him out.

Mate, this is professional sport not backyard cricket. The first rule in cricket is to know where the ball is and stay in your crease, Bairstow should know better.

Also, Bairstow tried to stump Marnus in the same fashion just two days earlier, so I'm not sure how the English are trying to take the high road on this occasion.

Broad telling Carey that "that was the worst thing he's ever seen on the cricket field" was laughable as well, again Broad has zero right to take the high-road after his exploits in the 2013 Ashes where he nicked off to fist slip and didn't walk. Now I'm not sure how Broad can say what Carey did was against the spirit of the game, yet not walking once you've hit the ball is within the spirit of the game?

B-Mac who is actually a favourite player of mine has also embarrassed himself, trying to say the Aussies again breached the spirit of the game, yet he was famous for not once but twice running out tail end batsman after they had left their crease to celebrate a team mate's milestone. One of those occasions of course was when Chris Mpofu left his crease to congratulate Blessing Mahwire for scoring his one and only test fifty in 2005.

Also, if the Poms are so hell-bent on upholding the spirit of the game, then Duckett should have walked when he was caught by Starc. Starc clearly caught him fair and square and didn't gain an advantage from the ball touching the turf. But they are the rules of the game, and the rules are there to be followed.

In no other sport do they have this 'spirit of the game' but of the Poms want to carryon about it, and Bmac, then maybe they need to look at themselves in the mirror first.

jaybro wrote: ↑Mon Jul 03, 2023 9:36 pm

andrewn9 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 03, 2023 2:34 pm

I'm not going to even get into the Bairstow dismissal but I cannot believe all these Aussies comıng out saying the Starc catch was fair. He literally pushed the ball along the ground. Fingers not under the ball, ball pushed along the ground. How can it possibly be a fair catch? The ball is not supposed to touch the ground. That is what makes a catch a catch. I feel like I'm living in a cuckoo clock where people are saying black is white and white is black. And you say he didn't gain an advantage from the ball touching the ground. He was sliding on his knees and literally had to use the ball to balance himself. If that's not gaining an advantage I don't know what is. McGrath coming out saying it was a disgrace and the umpires are biased in favour of England. I see he hasn't changed much. Once a c**t, always a c**t.

I’m not arguing that the Starc catch should have been awarded, the rules are clear so it’s out. My point was he already had caught the ball, he didn’t use the ground to catch it.

Sure he used the ball to brace his his fall/ slide which is why the catch was disallowed and I have no problem with that because that’s the rules.

It seems as though the English like to pull the rule book out when it suits them, but when it doesn’t they cry foul for ‘the spirit of the game’. It really is laughable that a certain section of d blush fans & media are getting so upset about the Aussies not letting poor little Jonny off the hook.

Aussies live rent free in their heads 😂😂😂

jaybro wrote: ↑Mon Jul 03, 2023 10:57 pm

andrewn9 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 03, 2023 10:46 pm

I think Bairstow was daft for wandering out of his crease, but it was a cheap shot to run him out like that. I know the Australian media has been saying Bairstow tried the same thing with Labuschagne and Warner, but that's very disingenuous as they were batting out of their crease and trying to gain an advantage. Bairstow was just being naive/dopey, and not trying to steal a quick run.

Headingley should be pretty interesting, if the Lords reaction is anything to go by. That crowd is going to be whipped up into a frenzy! I guess we all like a bit of drama, and the Australian cricket team we just love to hate.

The state of this 😂😂😂

So it wasn’t disingenuous when Bairstow tried to get Marnus & Warner out in the same way because they were batting out of their crease?

Was it disingenuous when England ran out De Grandhomme last year ?

What about when Foakes held the ball and waited for Balbirnie to lose Ballance then stump him?

Or when Baz ran out both Murali & Mpofu after they went to celebrate milestones with their team mates?

Or when Broad nicked to first slip off Agar and refused to walk, then made the comment “people don’t remember that stuff, they only remember who won the game”.

Please, the English and their coach are just as bad as the next mob, don’t try and take the high road. It’s sport, you play to win and play within the rules.

It’s actually pathetic that after winning the toss, having the best of the conditions and playing against 10 men for more than half the test match that England are saying the Aussies only won because they didn’t play within the spirit of the game 😂😂😂

jaybro wrote: ↑Tue Jul 04, 2023 12:06 am

andrewn9 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 03, 2023 11:33 pm

Warner & Labuschagne: trying to gain an advantage by batting outside their crease. Surely even you can understand stumping someone here is totally different to a batsmen thinking it's the end of the over.

De Grandhomne: starts to set off for a run for some unfathomable reason.

Foakes: stumping someone falling over playing a shot is completely normal and commonplace.

Baz: the Mpofu run out was very sneaky and not on. Will have to check out the Murali one but I suspect that was also not on.

I can't believe an Australian has the nerve to moan about Broad not walking 😂 Pot, kettle, black.

I never said Australia won because of the Bairstow stumping. You won a close game because you have lots of very good players.

I think Australia always has an excellent cricket team, but over the years, what with all the sledging, bullying, gamesmanship, arrogance and sandpaper incident, you haven't endeared yourself to other cricket fans around the world.

And I know the English media has had a one way street response to this, but if you think the Australian media isn't every bit as myopic, you are deluding yourself.

You are clutching at straws mate, and your interpretations of those incidents are very much English biased.

Foakes held the ball for an eternity trying to catch Balbirnie out, Carey caught the ball and threw it straight away.

The argument that Marnus & Warner were trying to gain an advantage but Jonny was just dozy so it's against the spirit of the game is laughable and school yard stuff. So Australia should let Jonny off because he wasn't paying attention? C'mon, surely that sounds pathetic even to an Englishmen?

As for the Broad incident, I don't blame him because 'you to play to win' it's not his fault the umpire was blind, and if you're not a walker you're not a walker. But to hit the ball and not walk, that is against the spirit of the game, so if you want to roll out the spirit of the game argument crap, it's relevant point.

You can't decide to play in the spirit when it suits you but then ignore it when you've gotten away with one.