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Current Fast Bowlers: Are They the Fastest Ever?

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Kriterion_BD wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 4:20 am


jaybro wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 4:09 am

Roach ???

I can’t ever remember Starc getting to 160kpm which test was that?

Australia don’t make fast pitches anymore 😢


Roach barely hits 140 now...he's a medium pacer. Granted a very good one. But he was express when he first started out.

Here's the Starc 160.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvHrbF4lDv0


There you go I stand corrected, although that’s at least 3-4 years ago
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Kriterion_BD wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 4:21 am


sloandog wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 10:23 pm

Dale Steyn is a glaring omission there sir. He regularly has bowled in the mid 140's and touched 152 against Pakistan.


To me Steyn was always a bowler who bowled around 135-140 and occaisionally quicker. I always felt he was just a fast medium bowler in terms of the speeds he actually hit.


What bowler have you been watching these past 15 years mate? Steyn regularly hit between 87-90mph on a consistent basis, especially in his younger days when he was raw and fast. Now he's come back I don't think I've ever seen him bowl as quick.
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jaybro wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 4:51 am

There you go I stand corrected, although that’s at least 3-4 years ago


It may have been an erroneous reading. But Starc is one of the fastest bowlers around so its credible.
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Kriterion_BD wrote: ↑Thu Feb 21, 2019 5:41 am


jaybro wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 4:51 am

There you go I stand corrected, although that’s at least 3-4 years ago


It may have been an erroneous reading. But Starc is one of the fastest bowlers around so its credible.


Tbh, it doesn't look express to me, more like a delivery in the 140s.
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foreignfield wrote: ↑Thu Feb 21, 2019 8:45 am

Tbh, it doesn't look express to me, more like a delivery in the 140s.


Real express balls actually look slow for some paradoxical reason. That Shoaib Akhtar ball vs England that was 161 looked no faster than 135. Based purely on that, I feel its accurate, but I really don't know. That Akhtar ball was also solidly negotiated by the batter.

Australia guns are juiced 3-5 kph from what I can tell. Examples are bowlers like Ishant Sharma, Mohammad Amir, and Jasprit Bumrah have all clocked upwards for 152 during Australia tours, but in most other countries they are 145 kph bowlers (slower for Amir and Ishant).

I've heard broadcasters say that in Australia they take the fastest of 3 speed readings whereas in other countries the they take the median or mean value.
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Yes, looks can be deceptive--fast and straight often appears to be slower to the eye than a nasty quick bouncer or a quick swinging delivery.
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Yeah I don't think the actual speeds matter too much it's more about how uncomfortable the bowler can make the batsman feel, Mitchell Johnson was probably the scariest bowler for batsman to face and although he was very quick, he wasn't Brett Lee or Shoaib Aktar quick
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jaybro wrote: ↑Mon Feb 25, 2019 12:13 am

Yeah I don't think the actual speeds matter too much it's more about how uncomfortable the bowler can make the batsman feel, Mitchell Johnson was probably the scariest bowler for batsman to face and although he was very quick, he wasn't Brett Lee or Shoaib Aktar quick


I would have hated to face Shoaib Akhtar. Lee had a lovely, fluid action and made fast bowling look so very easy.
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Kriterion_BD wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 4:21 am


sloandog wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 10:23 pm

Dale Steyn is a glaring omission there sir. He regularly has bowled in the mid 140's and touched 152 against Pakistan.


To me Steyn was always a bowler who bowled around 135-140 and occaisionally quicker. I always felt he was just a fast medium bowler in terms of the speeds he actually hit.


Steyn was mostly 140-145 with occasional 150. Still now, the Steyn 2.0 after injury, he was consistently hitting over 140 kph in the recent Sri Lanka T20I with his fastest being 147 kph and also as sloandog mentioned he clocked 150+ against Pak.


sloandog wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 8:21 am


Kriterion_BD wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 4:21 am


sloandog wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 10:23 pm

Dale Steyn is a glaring omission there sir. He regularly has bowled in the mid 140's and touched 152 against Pakistan.


To me Steyn was always a bowler who bowled around 135-140 and occaisionally quicker. I always felt he was just a fast medium bowler in terms of the speeds he actually hit.


What bowler have you been watching these past 15 years mate? Steyn regularly hit between 87-90mph on a consistent basis, especially in his younger days when he was raw and fast. Now he's come back I don't think I've ever seen him bowl as quick.


This.

The one thing I hate about this generation of fast bowlers is that there is no Shoaib, Lee (at career peak) or Tait (at career peak) who can consistently hit 155+ kph. Shoaib was so exciting to watch, consistently hitting 155+. But I do understand this generation's pacers point of view. When you try to bowl that express (155+) like a Shoaib, you can excite the fans for a few match and then get injured for a lengthy point of time. The Fergusons, Milnes and Starcs also had their share of injuries off late as well.

Mohammad Sami had some pace during 2002-2003. I liked him for his raw pace. Surprisingly I don't think he wasn't that injury prone but his career never really kicked off. He kept on getting dropped from ODIs because of test performance. Pak didn't look after him well like Shoaib. He could have played more ODIs if looked after well.

A Shoaib nostalgia: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2afdaqRvMvQ&t=188s
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Pakistan debuts the 18 year old Mohammad Hasnain, who clocked up to 148 vs Australia this week. Fastest bowler in the PSL ahead of Wahab Riaz and Irfan.
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Just watching BD vs NZ and Ferguson was consistently around 150 kph throughout the innings. His fastest that I saw was 154.0 which is 95.7 mph. That is seriously quick.

But a number of bowlers can clock 150 so this makes me ask, are today's quicks faster than at any other time?
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New Zealand have found a plethora of fast bowlers over the past 4 years.

Trent Boult,

Lockie Ferguson,

Adam Milne,

Scot Kuggelign bowled a delivery at 152Kph in the recent T20 series.

90mph is rapid, but 95mph is express and pretty much impossible to handle in the right conditions. I seriously wouldn't want to face somebody like Lockie Ferguson, as he generally bowls a bang in length; Milne is muchy fuller but still raw ansd fast.

Somebody who has crepped under the radar is Olivier from SA, jesus. Now he's got some pace. I don't think i've ever seen anybody bowl a heavier ball since Umar Gul for Pakistan. The guy makes it climb through and even De Kock recently said the past few months have been tough in terms of wicket keeping due to Duanne Olivier.

Oshane Thomas, Shannon Gabrial, KG Rabada, even Kumara from Sri Lanka all pusgh the 90mph bracket. I agree that this generation surely has to be one of the quickest in history.

I've not even touched on the Indian fast bowlers
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Yes this generation have produced plenty of guys who can consistently hit 145kph-150kkph with the occasional 155kph ball, but there isn't that guy who can hit 160kph like a Brett Lee, Shaun Tait or Shoaib Aktar
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No that's exactly what I was thinking, actually.

in the 2003 Cricket World Cup, I can remember the 'pace race,' as the media put it, between Akhtar and Lee as to who would break the 100mph barrier.

Akhtar hit 100 against England and Lee bowled a ball against Marvin Attapatu at 99.9mph.

There was even guys like Shane Bond, Nehra and Ntini who were bowling absolutely rapid in that tournament.

Nobody apart from Lockie Ferguson is bowling mid 150's consistently, and certainly nobody is breaking that 100mph barrier anymore.

I hope we get another Pakistani kid who rocks up like Mohammed Sami did in 2003.
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I think Starc clocked 160 - that too in a Test match.

Generally every fast medium bowler clocks 150 on Australian speed guns.
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sloandog wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 2:37 pm

Oshane Thomas, Shannon Gabrial, KG Rabada, even Kumara from Sri Lanka all pusgh the 90mph bracket. I agree that this generation surely has to be one of the quickest in history.

I've not even touched on the Indian fast bowlers


Rabada is not as quick as Thomas, Gabriel, or Kumara AFAIK. He bowls plenty of balls in the 138-140 range.

Here is a list of the guys who can consistently reach 90 mph (145 km/h)...its a fairly long list:

Cummins, Starc (Hazelwood just a yard slower) - Australia

Wahab, Hasan Ali, (probably a few random others) - Pakistan

Wood - England

Boult, Ferguson, Milne - New Zealand

Rabada, Olivier, Ngidi - South Africa

Gabriel, Joseph, Thomas - West Indies

Kumara, Chameera - Sri Lanka

Bumrah, Shami, Umesh - India

Dawlat - Afghanistan

Taskin - Bangladesh

For BD, Rubel only hits 145 a couple times a year which is not often enough to make the list. I'm not even sure he has that pace anymore. If Ebadat Hossain and Khaled Ahmed can reach 90 mph a couple times each innings during the NZ Test series, I'll add them to the list.

There are quite a few more bowlers who can bowl 140+ consistently, but about half of the guys above can often enough reach 150, which is impressive.
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Dale Steyn is a glaring omission there sir. He regularly has bowled in the mid 140's and touched 152 against Pakistan.
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Roach ???

I can’t ever remember Starc getting to 160kpm which test was that?

Australia don’t make fast pitches anymore 😢
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jaybro wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 4:09 am

Roach ???

I can’t ever remember Starc getting to 160kpm which test was that?

Australia don’t make fast pitches anymore 😢


Roach barely hits 140 now...he's a medium pacer. Granted a very good one. But he was express when he first started out.

Here's the Starc 160.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvHrbF4lDv0
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sloandog wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 10:23 pm

Dale Steyn is a glaring omission there sir. He regularly has bowled in the mid 140's and touched 152 against Pakistan.


To me Steyn was always a bowler who bowled around 135-140 and occaisionally quicker. I always felt he was just a fast medium bowler in terms of the speeds he actually hit.
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