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😂 now that’s funny!! 😂
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ZIMDOGGY wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 7:38 am

Imagine if you’re at the Coogee Pavillion and you’re talking about the footy on the big screen and you say ‘Burgess is a beefcake’ and then some guy in tight pants and a ponytail comes up behind you, taps you on the shoulder and with a lisp says ‘excuse me. Can you please not use the term ‘beefcake’ because my friend outside and I are actually vegans and we like find that so offensive ok? What would you think?

Because that’s the way this stuff is headed and it’s happening. Gotta draw that line and that line has to be what Zimbos is saying.


Use that same story but instead of the beef cake and the Vegan use a racially fuelled name and a person from that race
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jaybro wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2019 1:33 am

Use that same story but instead of the beef cake and the Vegan use a racially fuelled name and a person from that race


Context is important. There is no mention the name was racist. You are taking that line and running with it.
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zimbos_05 wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2019 7:39 am


jaybro wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2019 1:33 am

Use that same story but instead of the beef cake and the Vegan use a racially fuelled name and a person from that race


Context is important. There is no mention the name was racist. You are taking that line and running with it.


The whole point of this argument is that the name ‘nugget’ referred to his skin colour, if it didn’t then there’s no argument and no reason to be upset, which isn’t the case
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https://www.thestandard.co.zw/2019/05/2 ... erseyside/

Taibu on settling down in Merseyside

May 26, 2019 in Sport

LIVERPOOL — Tatenda Taibu has, for one reason or another, spent a lot of his 36 years on the move.

Making waves as one of the first township boys to break into the Zimbabwe set-up; being named the first black captain of his country at the age of just 20; quitting over a pay dispute and having to flee with his family after some thinly-veiled threats from Mugabe’s ministers; coming back to the sport, then retiring again to focus more on his relationship with his God. It makes for a gripping autobiography, Keeper Of Faith.

But now, on Merseyside, Taibu finally feels settled.

“When you’ve got kids, they become the priority,” he explains. “When we moved to Merseyside, the boys really felt comfortable and they made friends quickly at their school. So for us, that’s the priority, and we’ve enjoyed the time we’ve been in Liverpool.”

Taibu is turning out for Formby and has contributed with both bat and ball to their flying start to the season.

His 6/11 against Colwyn Bay featured a hat-trick — and alerted many people to the fact he’s always been more than a wicketkeeper.

“If I wasn’t a keeper, I would have bowled more,” he says of his professional career. “Growing up, I used to keep for 15 overs, take-off my pads and bowl, then keep again. I did that in the 2002 U19 World Cup when I was player of the tournament.

“It just so happened on the day I got the 6/11 that the pitch was a little bit green and it was moving both ways.”

His attitude calls to mind the exhaustingly enthusiastic kid at your club who wants to bowl every over and bat every position —someone who loves the game too much to ever not be involved in it.

And it’s a good job he loves it, because cricket — or, at least, cricket politics — hasn’t always been kind to Taibu.

Part of a golden generation from the townships, Taibu was picked for Zimbabwe entirely on merit, but thrust into the limelight through a combination of political expediency and there being no-one else available. Captaining a losing side in a failing system at such a tender age would have broken many

cricketers, but Taibu remains stoical and positive throughout his story.

He says: “I think it goes back to my upbringing, having a father who was really tough, which I call tough love.

“I thought that prepared me to always look at the positives in life, and solutions rather than focusing on the problems at hand. So when I think of a bad patch, I would always try to look at the solution — how I could get out of that bad patch, especially if it was spending a bit more time in the nets, paying attention to detail when I was playing well, so that when I was playing badly I would always go back to my notes from when I was playing well.

“I’d look at myself and see what is the one technical thing that I was missing. I always found a way to focus on the solution.”

In his book, Taibu seems to linger more on the low points of his career, rather than the highs. It could be his Christian modesty — or it could just be the nature of the game.

“Generally, cricketers look at the failures more than the success, especially the batsmen,” he says.

“If you wanted to ask me how I got out, I’ll be able to tell you — but if you ask me the fours and sixes that I hit, there’ll be more of that, but the negatives are what you always bear in mind.

“I never played for myself, I always played for the team, and because we had more failures as a team, I was focusing more on that than my personal success.

“It really didn’t have much of an impact, though at the end of the day I ended up with a decent career.”

Decent indeed. His record of 1,500 Test runs at an average of 30 was no mean feat given the pressures of leading a desperately inexperienced side, more often than not in the throes of a batting collapse, and his expansive batting and lightning pace between the wickets were well-suited to the white-ball game.

Still, when that pay dispute —he was arguing for his teammates to be paid more, not himself — slammed the brakes on his career when he was just 22, it must have left a lot of what-ifs in its wake.

There’s a poignant passage in the book which Taibu almost glosses over. He recalls having a ringside seat watching Matthew Hayden bludgeon a world-record 380 at Perth in 2003, as one of the all-time great Australian sides put Taibu’s Zimbabwe to the sword. In a few years, he muses, Hayden, Warne, McGrath and the rest will be gone — but I’ll still be here. Because of politics, corruption, and corrupt politicians, it wasn’t to be.

“I’ve always tried to live my life in such a way that I don’t have any regrets,” he insists. “I would have loved a situation where I would have played against Australia when those experienced guys were no longer playing and I was experienced, but that never came to pass and we don’t know how that would have played out.

“It’s a bit unfortunate in many ways because we in Zimbabwean cricket didn’t continue on that path we were on. It was a good programme that really should have continued — there is still a lot of talent in Zimbabwe.”

That talent is now going to waste — because of years of mismanagement, and because the ICC gives the impression it simply doesn’t want to know.

This summer’s 10-team World Cup is a real bugbear to anyone who cares about cricket in the smaller or poorer nations, and Taibu is no exception. He reckons — with some justification —that the game’s governing body is looking elsewhere for its future.

He says: “If the ICC paid more attention to countries that had already been part of the World Cup — Kenya, Canada — then we’d end up with a proper World Cup.

“The ICC is more focused on the USA and China — that’s more likely to be because of the financial benefits, because they’ve got economies that are stable.

“If that focus had been more on countries that have been seen to produce players, then I’m sure we could have more teams participating in a World Cup.”

(Despite some gentle persuasion, he refuses to say England will lift the trophy — eventually allowing himself to be badgered into listing the hosts alongside New Zealand, India and Pakistan as his picks for the semi-finals.)

The World Test Championship, which begins this year, also excludes Zimbabwe, along with Test newcomers Ireland and Afghanistan.

“I’m a big fan of Test cricket,” says Taibu. “I think it’s the ultimate test of character, technique and mental strength. I think for players to constantly improve, they need to play Test cricket.

“There should be scope for Test cricket — but it is difficult because of the amount of T20 around the world. You can’t get better if you’re not playing.

“Zimbabwe played a part in bringing on Bangladesh because we constantly played them, and now they’re way above us.

“So if the other nations continue to play, that’s how they’ll get up to speed. If Afghanistan and Ireland play seven or eight Test matches a year, it will go a long way.”

One thing he’s clear about is that there will be no return to the international game. After playing for Hightown St Marys on his arrival in England, and helping them win promotion after a devastating clubhouse fire, now Taibu is focused on Formby — and loving every minute of it.

He says: “We’ve got a really young, vibrant side with really positive and talented players; we’ve won everything we’ve played so far, so I hope that continues.”

Keeper Of Faith by Tatenda Taibu is out now, published by Liverpool-based deCoubertin Books and priced £12.99.

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https://www.thestandard.co.zw/2019/04/0 ... biography/


THE month of April will be a defining one for Zimbabwe’s first black captain and Test cricket’s, youngest captain, Tatenda Taibu, who is set to launch two huge projects in two different cities, on two different continents.

A legend in Zimbabwe cricket, Taibu will reinforce his commitment to churning out the next generation of local cricketers through the Bill Flower Cricket Academy to be unveiled at Harare’s Alexandra Sports Club on Thursday.

Taibu is also putting the final touches to his much-awaited autobiography to be launched in Liverpool, England, during the Easter holidays.

Named after one of Zimbabwe’s finest development coaches and father of legendary brothers Grant and Andy Flower, the Bill Flower Cricket Academy will cater for young cricketers (both male and female), providing them with intensive coaching and mentorship.

It is the second project being spearheaded by Taibu after the Rising Stars Academy, which he created during his stint as Zimbabwe Cricket’s convenor of selectors in order to give emerging players and Under-19 cricketers a pathway to the national side.

In an interview with The Sports Hub last week, Taibu, however, said the new academy’s concept was different from the Rising Stars Academy which was dismantled by Zimbabwe Cricket last year despite its success within a short period of time.

“The Bill Flower Academy will be totally different from the Rising Stars Academy project, this will be free for everyone who wants to participate — the young, middle-aged, old, whoever wants to play cricket. It’s also open to women’s cricket as well,” he said.

“Further to that, the young boys and girls that will be privileged to be in this academy will definitely have results coming their way. I know that from the experience of coaching kids in the UK. I have several kids that have passed through my hands and gone on to represent their countries, so I know that my coaching methods will definitely benefit young boys and girls.”

Taibu said he decided to name the Bill Flower Cricket Academy in honour of one of his earliest mentors, who, besides raising two world-class cricketers, also had great passion for the community, and black cricket development.

Flower Snr, who now lives in England, where his oldest son, Andy, coached the national team there between 2009 and 2014, played a key role in Taibu’s early development while at Chipembere Primary School in Highfield.

“I’m very close to all the coaches who have coached me up until now, I am close to the coaches that coached me even when I was still growing up and I know the efforts that they put in my cricket to be where I am right now and I have always wanted to do something special for each one of them,” Taibu explained.

“I thought of Bill Flower to be the first one to get this special gesture when I was just remembering what he did for us growing up and what he tried to do even for the black community in opening an academy in Mabvuku, a place, which had not known cricket. I just thought whatever they tried to do does not show in any way at the moment and that is what motivated me to start this academy because it doesn’t feel right to me that all the hard work they put has just gone down the drain without their names being remembered,” he said.

The move to launch the academy comes after Taibu recently completed his first comeback season to professional cricket in Sri Lanka, six years after retiring from international cricket in 2012 at age 29.

The 35-year-old legendary wicketkeeper/batsman, who played 28 Tests and 150 ODIs, lined up for the Sri Lankan domestic side Baduraliya CC during the justended first-class season, where he put in a number of good performances with the bat and behind the stumps.

He, however, lamented his failure to convert his starts into big scores like he used to do during his international career.

“Sri Lanka was a tour that happened because of a conversation that I was having with my son and that’s how I ended up being there. I really enjoyed it, I found getting back to professional cricket after being away for six years fairly easy, which I am pleased with. The only thing that my body or brain could not remember is to convert starts into big hundreds, which I used to do before I retired from international cricket in 2012,” he said.

After the conclusion of the Sri Lankan first-class season, Taibu will return to action with the Liverpool-based Formby Cricket Club as player/coach.

The former Zimbabwe cricket captain also spoke of his autobiography.

“My autobiography, Keeper of Faith, is going to be launched during the Easter weekend in Liverpool. We just did the final bits last week where we were choosing the pictures and finalising the cover. The whole book has been done and the foreword was done by Andy Flower.”

Taibu said the autobiography, which he started working on three years ago, focuses on his upbringing, his early breakthrough into international cricket as an 18-year-old and early retirement at the age of 29.

“It touches pretty much on all the high points of my life thus far. It touches on growing up, the cricket side of things, the politics, events that happened when I decided to leave cricket for two years, the politics around that, it talks of the comeback, IPL (Indian Premier League) and my decision to leave cricket on a religious calling and what happened during that period and my subsequent return.

“I am really happy that I started this project in 2015 and it’s coming to fruition, so I’m really looking forward to the final piece and the launch, which I believe will be quite good,” Taibu said.
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Geez how many academies do they need in Zimbawe?? Wouldn't it be smarter to marge them all to make one strong one??
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It typifies the problems here. We don’t have enough good school leavers to fill one academy as you say. It’s a p**sing competition to a degree.

Alex sports club used to be a really nice ground and is an 8 iron away from OH so if Taibu has some cash at his disposal it will be a much needed club that can be used.

If they could get Country Club (Bvute), Alex, HSC, Takashinga and somehow OG’s all going it would really help.

Will Taibu’s academy get ZC’s support? He needs it because they will need ZC’s blessing to play games.

But I just hope he targets the younger players. Campbell has gone for the school leavers, which for me is about 5 years too late.
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Love this man , one of my all time favourites and I can’t wait o read his autobiography. He is at least trying to help zim cricket and his success with the rising stars can’t be ignored , even if he helps discover one gem for us it will be a success .
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That halo behind his head is funny... Or is it the Sun?
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Jeez that is a bizarre cover indeed. Looks like he farmed out the cover pic to some Grade 5’s, winning pic gets a free T shirt. That halo/sun 😂 😂 !

If it’s 50% him finding Jesus and 50% cricket it’s going to be a tough read. I might pass.

Devoutly religious people selling it or defending it drive me to crack cocaine and hookers.

If you nuked every church in Zim on a Sunday you’d solve 99% of our problems 😂
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https://www.theindependent.co.zw/2019/0 ... -by-taibu/

BY ALL accounts, Tatenda Taibu’s life and cricket career have been a mixed bag.

By Enock Muchinjo

He has experienced it all: death, struggles, conflict, racism, animosity, betrayal, joy, love, success.

At the age of 35, it is almost as though Taibu has lived a full life already.

He has been forced to become an adult at 17, and he was made a Test cricket captain at 20. He has known how it is like to have nothing, and how it is like to have everything. He has been accepted by others, and frowned upon by others. He has had to be a good example to wayward family members, and a leader to wayward team members.

All these experiences have shaped a truly remarkable individual with a stubborn streak, unshakeable willpower, frankness and, above all, faith in God.

It is thus hardly surprising that Taibu’s autobiography Keeper of Faith — produced in collaboration with British journalist Jack Gordon Brown — is no-holds-barred stuff, replete with brutal honesty typical of the man.

In the book, set for launch on May 24 in the United Kingdom and published by deCourton Books in Liverpool, the former Zimbabwe skipper pulls no punches and does not attempt to sugar-coat events and characters encountered in his action-packed life.

The good side of people as well as their worst flaws — incredibly including those of Taibu himself — are laid bare in a revealing manner in this thoroughly readable piece of work.

Perhaps life was always destined to be eventful for Taibu, looking as his upbringing.

His father, Joseph Taibu Sr, had to complete the journey to the then Southern Rhodesia, alongside his young brother John, after their mother (Tatenda’s grandmother) fell terribly sick on the taxing foot trip from her native Malawi, dying along the way in Mozambique.

Joseph Sr, a barber, would arrive in present-day Zimbabwe as a very young man to ply his trade in the township of Highfield, under a mopane tree. He was a master of his trade that steadily his business grew. Not only was he able to acquire a proper workshop, he also managed to buy two houses in Highfield and later on three cars to afford his big family quite a comfortable life.

Tatenda, a keen soccer player as a kid who had trialed out at lower division outfit Zimbabwe Crackers, began playing cricket at Chipembere Primary School in Highfield because a certain boy named Stuart Matsikenyeri — like himself a future international — had been singled out by the headmaster during assembly as being disciplined and bright because he played the gentlemen’s sport.

A Zimbabwe Cricket Union (ZCU) development programme around the early 1990s drew thousands of boys in the Highfield and Glen Norah suburbs, with young blacks who played on the club scene in those days coaching the youngsters.

Particularly active in Highfield had been Stephen Mangongo and Walter Chawaguta — both decent cricketers later to coach Zimbabwe’s national team — and the enterprising Bruce Makovah, another gifted cricketer later to become Zimbabwe’s chief selector.

The biggest influence on most of the boys was Mangongo, a man whose life, ever since he was first introduced to the game himself in the early 1980s, has been pretty much cricket and nothing else.

Mangongo, a known fiery character, has always believed in forceful methods to whip players in line, as Taibu testifies.

“Steve used to beat us and today it would be understandably unacceptable,” writes Taibu.

“For me, though — at this specific time — it probably straightened me out. I am actually happy I got them. Maybe I look it at that way because I came from a home where my dad would use the same method of punishment.

“The way I interpreted it was that they both wanted me to do well — they would beat me because I had made a mistake. If they did not want me to make that mistake again, they hit me. I saw it as good for me. When I talk to my kids about Steve, I tell them that he was a person who really cared about my cricket, and when I talk about my dad, I say that if it was not for those beatings I would not be where I am today. In some ways, it makes even more sense to me now than it did then, though I would never act in the way they did as a coach or as a parent.”

Though hardworking, the excessive drinking lifestyle of his father — who was previously married — meant Tatenda and his five siblings from their mother’s side saw less of their dad.

Dad’s habits rubbed off on oldest child Joseph Jr, a brilliant athlete who did not go far in sport because his life was consumed by alcohol and ill-discipline from an early age.

Joseph was not the only errant member of the family. Kudzai, two years younger than Tatenda — a brilliant cricketer and handy rugby player at Churchill (where he was expelled) and Prince Edward — lost his way after playing a few first-class cricket games from Mashonaland and Manicaland.

These days Kudzi, according to his more famous brother, operates the old family house in Highfield as a brothel.

Joseph Sr and his wife Margaret also had three daughters as well as the last-born child, a son called Tapiwa who was a gifted sportsman at Prince Edward but never took his talents beyond school level.

The ZCU development programme and the wonderful work of such selfless men as Mangongo should be given credit for giving cricket in Zimbabwe the impetus it did by nurturing a generation of black players on which the game resorted to for numbers during the troubled era of post-2004.

Such was the organised manner of this project that even some white and Asian parents greatly admired the concept and sent their sons there to learn.

“One parent was so impressed that he asked if his son could join our practices in future,” Taibu writes.

“Coming from a white parent, this was a particularly bold move. The boy’s name was Andrew Stone, and from that day on he joined in with our sessions. He had entered a world of dusty fields, concrete pitches and bins for stumps.

Andrew and his parents fitted in immediately, and in time he started to play as well as us, if not better. Andrew’s success encouraged another rich parent to bring his child along to our practices. Mohammed Sirdar was an Asian boy who went to Sharon School, and he too settled into the group quickly. As they learnt from us, we learnt from them.

Among other things, our spoken English began to improve, because we constantly had to communicate with them. Our first language was Shona, the dialect of Shona people, the largest ethnic group in Zimbabwe. We also learnt about general cricketing etiquette from Andrew and Mohammed. We became better boys as they became better cricketers.”

Taibu’s father died in 1994 when he was only nine. His mother would follow eight years later when he was 17. His mother’s death was a particularly massive blow to take because she now had taken over responsibility of family leader, although her cricket-playing son was now able to come to support her with his early earnings from the game.

The untimely loss of his mother also hurt him deeply because at the time of her death, he was beginning to earn more from cricket, but he had constantly declined to give her more money because of goals he had set himself to achieve.

“Mum, I am not going to be giving you all the money,” he had told her. “You are very sick and the only sane boy you have is me. Your first-born Joseph is an excessive drinker and in no condition to look after Tapiwa if you die. For me to be able to look after someone else, I must have a solid base, and so I am going to save some money and buy myself a house.”

The news of his mother’s death was broken to him by Jackie, her sister, whilst walking into town from Churchill, where he had been watching a schools rugby game.

“My last few moments in mum’s company had not been the best, we had spent those moments arguing about my future and about money,” says Taibu.

“All these events played around in my head until I came to a halt in the street, like I was sinking in quicksand.

My eyes were watery, and I looked up to the skies once more in search of answers to the questions. I asked of myself: ‘God, who is going to look after Tapiwa?’ The boy was just too young to be without a parent for guidance. I felt I was the only member of my family who could look after him well, to give him a fair chance to do well in life, but how was

I going to do that when I was still just in school?”

Throughout the book, Taibu writes fondly of his relationship with his mentor and confidante Andy Flower, a man he developed an even deeper relationship with after the 16-year-old Churchill schoolboy’s selection for a tour to the West Indies in the late 1990s.

Taibu reveals how Flower, viewed as Zimbabwe’s greatest of all time, once confided with him how he felt that the majority of the national team players were “weak” and unworthy of places in international cricket.

“They are good in our local competitions and when we are practising,” Flower told a young Taibu.

“But when it really matters, when the fight is really on against tough opposition — against Pakistan, against West Indies, against England — they put their tails between their legs. They are weak. If they ask you to emulate them or try to coach you, do not listen. If you are going to emulate your game on someone, pick Aravinda de Silva or Sachin Tendulkar, because of your height. I would not advise you to pick Lara. His technique is awkward.”

Taibu writes that his first blatant case of racism in cricket was when he failed to make his first-class debut for Mashonaland because none of the selectors or administrators notified him of his selection, only hearing of it through rumour the previous night.

“The game was supposed to be the following day. What was I meant to do? I sat at the telephone until 9pm, but still nothing. I did not know how I was going to get to the ground the next morning, as I didn’t know where we were playing, and we no longer had a family car,” he explains.

“I asked my sister if one of her friends would drop me off at the Harare Sports Club first thing, so I could find out where the match was being played. Viola Muza, who used to run the ZCU office pretty much alone, informed me at 8am that the game was being played at the Country Club, so again I got my sister’s friend to rush back. When I arrived, the teams had already concluded their warm-ups and the toss. Clearly, I was not playing. The manager looked shocked to see me, and unhappy to say the least. He shouted at me for not arriving at the ground on time, despite the fact that I had been given absolutely no details about the fixture. I had always known that there would be opposition to me making my way in the game, but I never knew it would be this strong. I was glad my sister had not stayed to witness this.

“He (the manager) had not advised me of anything at all; I was there on hearsay. This is how he treated me? Instead of making my debut, I was made to do the drinks for the game. This was the first time I came face to face with opposition that bordered along the lines of racism. It was the way the coach spoke to me, the way he shouted at me.

There have been people over the years who have spoken strongly about the way they feel to me, but not in the way that he did that day. I do not remember the exact words, but I remember him saying something along the lines of, ‘That is how it is with you people.’ I was thinking, ‘You people? Which people?’ That did not sit well with me at all. I do not believe myself to be the sort of person who quickly turns something into a racial matter, but to this day I believe my judgement to be correct on this one. I was yet to turn twenty years old. Thankfully, my upbringing had prepared me for injustices such as this.”

With the national team, Taibu remembers well a race storm on tour when fast bowler Henry Olonga confronted white teammate Neil Johnson for using an inappropriate nickname, “Nugget” in reference to Mluluki Nkala.

“Ever since I had been in the changing room with the national team it had seemed a happy place to be, with everyone always joking around, but one moment upset that tranquil environment,” writes Taibu.

“Mluleki Nkala, who I had roomed with on the tour, had several nicknames in the dressing room, one of which was ‘Nugget’, which was a type of shoe polish in Zimbabwe. Mluleki was given this nickname because of his dark skin colour. It is not something that he seemed to feel uneasy about, he was called it every day and it was not just the white players that used this nickname. On this particular occasion it was Neil Johnson, who Mluleki was particularly close to, that used this nickname, and for some reason it seemed to spark something inside of Henry.

He was raging. ‘Take your words back,’ he said to Neil. Everyone just stood there. ‘Take it back, you can not be making fun of someone’s colour.’ ‘You are overreacting Henry,’ said Neil, and Murray Goodwin came over and said a similar thing. Neil asked Mluleki if he minded the term, before Henry released his bombshell: ‘That is why Mugabe is taking your farms off you.’ All hell broke loose.”

In the politically-charged book, Taibu also talks about meeting Zimbabwe’s vice-president Joice Mujuru after his first major fallout with the cricket authorities. He also recollects serious threats on him from Temba Mliswa, then a Zanu PF activist, as well as cabinet minister Bright Matonga. He further writes about how he was provided with 24-hour security at his suburban house by Reserve Bank of Zimbabwe governor Gideon Gono following those threats.

Taibu also opens up about being betrayed by teammates as well as the disintegration of his relationship with officials, particularly the powerful board member and later CE of ZimCricket, Ozias Bvute, with whom he had started off on very good books.
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Kudzai Taibu be walking around like
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There's a few things for me in this excerpt.

Mangongo is beating players, yet gets away with being an excellent coach and mentor. I don't care how good you are or think you are, you have no right to beat anyone. Why is he played off as a good guy all the time despite the countless accounts of his abuse and terrible man management.

Neil is being branded as a racist for calling Muleleki as nugget. Now I can see the point he is making, but he also claims that Neil and Muleleki got on very well. Surely people who get on well do not call each other racist names or allow that to happen. He is giving his view on why he got the name, but it could also be that he got it for an inside joke or something. So who is Henry to call out Neil when two guys who get on well interact in a certain way, especially if Neil asked Muleleki if he is ok with the name and he said he is.

I'm not denying racism occurred in certain individuals and parts, but it seems like the points being made are that racism can only occur if white people in Zim do something, but if a black person does it then it is allowed and ok. Where is the line.

The coach who shouted at him is on the wrong, particularly when he says, "you people". It cannot be allowed and never allowed. It needs to be stamped out. In saying that, Taibu should also have tried to call his teammates or contact someone to find out about the game. If you want something, you go for it and you make effort to get it. You don't wait for it to come to you.

He also speaks about ZCU programme which brought a lot of black people through the system before 2004. Wonder who was running the game before then to be able to implement these programmes...Now look at the game.

When will this game of us vs them stop so that we could put the sport, the players, the fans, and the country first.
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The Olonga household must have been an interesting dynamic. Victor was very anti white in those days and Henry was far less so. Henry would have had a tough time reconciling some of his thought processes. Those were confusing days, everyone has to evolve and change their minds to some degree.
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jaybro wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 12:26 am

Although Nkala and Johnson may have been friends and were both comfortable with the nick name which was obviously referring to Nkala's skin colour, not everyone will feel comfortable with it so although you can argue Henry was being too sensitive the fact is Johnson shouldn't have been using that nick name in front of too many people because although it was directed at Nkala it has offended Henry and maybe some of the other black guys.

I think most people have at some point in their lives made or used a nick name for a friend referring to their ethnicity and as long as both parties are ok with it, nobody gets hurt as long as it stays between them. Once you start using it in front of other people you're bound to offend someone.


I'm pretty far left of left wing, but how can someone else be offended by something that is not even aimed at them. Taibu says the name may have been because of the shoe shine. There is no definite on how the name came about and why they used it. Henry does not have a right to decide how Muleleki should feel about the name or whether he should be offended by it.

Yes we need to fight and combat racism, but this is not how you do it.
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zimbos_05 wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 7:47 am


jaybro wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 12:26 am

Although Nkala and Johnson may have been friends and were both comfortable with the nick name which was obviously referring to Nkala's skin colour, not everyone will feel comfortable with it so although you can argue Henry was being too sensitive the fact is Johnson shouldn't have been using that nick name in front of too many people because although it was directed at Nkala it has offended Henry and maybe some of the other black guys.

I think most people have at some point in their lives made or used a nick name for a friend referring to their ethnicity and as long as both parties are ok with it, nobody gets hurt as long as it stays between them. Once you start using it in front of other people you're bound to offend someone.


I'm pretty far left of left wing, but how can someone else be offended by something that is not even aimed at them. Taibu says the name may have been because of the shoe shine. There is no definite on how the name came about and why they used it. Henry does not have a right to decide how Muleleki should feel about the name or whether he should be offended by it.

Yes we need to fight and combat racism, but this is not how you do it.


It’s not about how Muleleki feels it’s about how Henry felt, that’s why I said you shouldn’t use race referenced nick names in front of other people because you don’t know who you will offend.

Personally I don’t care when people say things about my skin colour or my ethnic background so if you were to call someone a name around me it wouldn’t bother me. But not everyone is the same some people are offended by these things.
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zimbos_05 wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 7:47 am


jaybro wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 12:26 am

Although Nkala and Johnson may have been friends and were both comfortable with the nick name which was obviously referring to Nkala's skin colour, not everyone will feel comfortable with it so although you can argue Henry was being too sensitive the fact is Johnson shouldn't have been using that nick name in front of too many people because although it was directed at Nkala it has offended Henry and maybe some of the other black guys.

I think most people have at some point in their lives made or used a nick name for a friend referring to their ethnicity and as long as both parties are ok with it, nobody gets hurt as long as it stays between them. Once you start using it in front of other people you're bound to offend someone.


I'm pretty far left of left wing, but how can someone else be offended by something that is not even aimed at them. Taibu says the name may have been because of the shoe shine. There is no definite on how the name came about and why they used it. Henry does not have a right to decide how Muleleki should feel about the name or whether he should be offended by it.

Yes we need to fight and combat racism, but this is not how you do it.


In todays world the left of the left would see you as extreme right with such a view!

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