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jaybro wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 8:07 am
It’s not about how Muleleki feels it’s about how Henry felt, that’s why I said you shouldn’t use race referenced nick names in front of other people because you don’t know who you will offend.
Personally I don’t care when people say things about my skin colour or my ethnic background so if you were to call someone a name around me it wouldn’t bother me. But not everyone is the same some people are offended by these things.
Is it not though? The name to Muleleki, so surely he gets to decide how he feels. Henry is basing his feelings on what he perceives the name to be and why it's being used. It's not a major argument, but I just feel like it almost seems like this constant need to prove racism in Zim rather than work together to fix the problems.
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Wish I had been wiser: Andy Flower
Posted on May 3, 2019 by The Independent in Sport
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Former Zimbabwe captain Andy Flower (left) and Henry Olonga were the first locals to use cricket for political protests in 2003
ANDY Flower, arguably Zimbabwe’s greatest cricketer of all time, feels he had a personal responsibility to manage the bitter resistance to the racial quotas that tore the national team apart around the turn of the millennium—contributing to the local game’s rapid fall from grace.
By Enock Muchinjo
Flower’s commitment to racial integration within the national team and Zimbabwean cricket was itself never in doubt. In the late 1990s, the legendary wicketkeeper-batsman had moved from Old Georgians to join the black club Old Winstonians, present-day Takashinga Cricket Club, because “as white cricketers I thought we needed to show, through our actions rather than words, that we were serious about developing black involvement in our sport.”
However, because of his superstar status within the Zimbabwe team, Flower concedes, in retrospect, that he should have played a leading role in defusing the storm that ensued when more and more black youngsters—township-groomed unlike previously capped players of colour—began to gain selection into the national team around the early 2000s.
“Looking back, I wish I had been wiser in the way I responded,” says Flower, writing the foreword for Tatenda Taibu’s autobiography, Keeper of Faith.
“I think that (former South Africa captain) Graeme Smith and the people around him handled a similar situation in South Africa with more wisdom and with a better understanding of the bigger picture. It must have been difficult for youngsters such as Tatenda and his friends Hamilton Masakadza, Stuart Matsikenyeri and Vusi Sibanda, but I think they handled themselves extremely well.”
Flower tries to explain that the fight against the board-driven quota system in team selection was not a particularly racist stand, delving into the chief reasons why there was so much heated opposition to it.
“Tatenda’s arrival into the national squad came at a difficult time,” writes Flower.
“For years we had been paid a pittance as international cricketers, and it was only through threatening strike action during the tour of England in 2000 that we managed to start earning some reasonable money. This dispute coincided with an even more controversial issue centred around racial quotas in the national side. The recommended quota system from the ZCU [Zimbabwe Cricket Union] was introduced for good reason: promoting black participation and providing opportunities that had previously been denied young black talent. We were already a small cricketing nation constantly fighting to justify our international status and, as established players, we believed this quota system would serve to weaken us further. We had only just started to receive a fair amount of money from our board, and places in the team were highly sought after. In truth, a number of the players really resented some of the young black cricketers being promoted.”
The former Zimbabwe talisman had been first introduced to a very young Taibu by his father Bill Flower, a foresighted development coach and philanthropist who envisaged an even brighter future for the game in Zimbabwe with the increased participation of the country’s black majority population.
Taibu, then a pupil at Highfield’s Chipembere Primary School, was at that time part of a select squad coached by the elder Flower, who even took it upon himself to pick up the youngsters from home and dropping them off after cricket commitments.
“In the 1990s cricket in Zimbabwe was changing, and no one knew that better than my father, Bill,” writes Andy Flower.
“The generation of young black cricketers emerging from the Zimbabwe Cricket Union’s development programme in the high-density areas of the major cities were the future, and along with other coaches such as Peter Sharples (late legendary Queensdale Primary School and Churchill coach), Bill gave everything of himself to help these boys achieve their dreams in the game. Highfield, a township in the capital of Harare, soon proved to be a particular hotbed of talent, and in time would produce a number of the nation’s leading cricketers. None of them would prove more influential than Tatenda Taibu.”
Flower then took Taibu under his wing when he joined Winstonians around 1998, a relationship that grew over the years as the protégé became an adult himself.
“The young cricketers I encountered there were highly talented, technically excellent and all dreamt of a future for themselves in the game,” says Flower.
“I hoped I could enhance some of that with some of my own expertise and guidance. Soon enough Tatenda was following in my footsteps, turning his attentions to wicketkeeping in order to supplement his batting. He was a complete natural: quick over the ground, quick hands, good balance, excellent hand-eye coordination. He had all the components to be world-class with the gloves. By March 2000, he had joined the national squad as my wicketkeeping understudy in the West Indies. He was sixteen years old.”
That Taibu would become international captain at the age of 20 does not surprise Flower at all, and indeed it was senior players like him and Guy Whittall who pushed the diminutive wicketkeeper into leadership roles at a young age.
“Tatenda was always a role model, on and off the field,” remarks Flower.
“This was evident even at his junior school where he seemed to naturally evolve into leadership positions. He was a gutsy individual; always confident, always smart. When he first arrived in the dressing room, and because I recognised his potential, I often tried to challenge him to think both about his game and the team dynamics. His opinion was valued from a young age. Hopefully this stood him in good stead when he became captain in the most difficult of circumstances at the age of 20. He was still trying to organise his game as an international cricketer, and the problems that had engulfed Zimbabwe had not disappeared. It’s possible to captain successfully from a young age, take Graeme Smith at 21 as an example—but he would have had good people around to guide him. With Peter Chingoka and Ozias Bvute at the helm in Zimbabwean cricket, the same could not be said for Tatenda. That showed when he made his own stand against the board a little over a year later.
“There is no doubt they would have employed their classic divide and rule tactics with him, offering a sweetened personal deal at the expense of others, and expecting silence or support as a result. Tatenda was better than that and stuck to his values and principles. As with Henry Olonga and myself at the 2003 World Cup, his own personal fight was never going to bring about regime change, and it would have been naïve to think otherwise, but he made a point of standing up for his values. Speaking out in Zimbabwe was not necessarily the route to future safety or financial prosperity, yet Tatenda wavered not in the face of severe pressure from above.”
51-year-old Flower, a successful former England coach, wraps up by expressing how his heart bleeds for the game and his homeland.
“The mismanagement at the top of both cricket and government is heartbreaking to witness,” he writes. “It seems so entirely unnecessary. Zimbabwe is a resource-rich country with a strong foundation in good education. The parallel between the country’s story and that of its cricket is obvious, and tragic. Countless outstanding people have invested heartache, blood, sweat and tears into the game in our country, only to see its assets stripped and wasted. Is it retrievable? I suppose in time, anything’s achievable.”
Wish I had been wiser: Andy Flower
Posted on May 3, 2019 by The Independent in Sport
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Former Zimbabwe captain Andy Flower (left) and Henry Olonga were the first locals to use cricket for political protests in 2003
ANDY Flower, arguably Zimbabwe’s greatest cricketer of all time, feels he had a personal responsibility to manage the bitter resistance to the racial quotas that tore the national team apart around the turn of the millennium—contributing to the local game’s rapid fall from grace.
By Enock Muchinjo
Flower’s commitment to racial integration within the national team and Zimbabwean cricket was itself never in doubt. In the late 1990s, the legendary wicketkeeper-batsman had moved from Old Georgians to join the black club Old Winstonians, present-day Takashinga Cricket Club, because “as white cricketers I thought we needed to show, through our actions rather than words, that we were serious about developing black involvement in our sport.”
However, because of his superstar status within the Zimbabwe team, Flower concedes, in retrospect, that he should have played a leading role in defusing the storm that ensued when more and more black youngsters—township-groomed unlike previously capped players of colour—began to gain selection into the national team around the early 2000s.
“Looking back, I wish I had been wiser in the way I responded,” says Flower, writing the foreword for Tatenda Taibu’s autobiography, Keeper of Faith.
“I think that (former South Africa captain) Graeme Smith and the people around him handled a similar situation in South Africa with more wisdom and with a better understanding of the bigger picture. It must have been difficult for youngsters such as Tatenda and his friends Hamilton Masakadza, Stuart Matsikenyeri and Vusi Sibanda, but I think they handled themselves extremely well.”
Flower tries to explain that the fight against the board-driven quota system in team selection was not a particularly racist stand, delving into the chief reasons why there was so much heated opposition to it.
“Tatenda’s arrival into the national squad came at a difficult time,” writes Flower.
“For years we had been paid a pittance as international cricketers, and it was only through threatening strike action during the tour of England in 2000 that we managed to start earning some reasonable money. This dispute coincided with an even more controversial issue centred around racial quotas in the national side. The recommended quota system from the ZCU [Zimbabwe Cricket Union] was introduced for good reason: promoting black participation and providing opportunities that had previously been denied young black talent. We were already a small cricketing nation constantly fighting to justify our international status and, as established players, we believed this quota system would serve to weaken us further. We had only just started to receive a fair amount of money from our board, and places in the team were highly sought after. In truth, a number of the players really resented some of the young black cricketers being promoted.”
The former Zimbabwe talisman had been first introduced to a very young Taibu by his father Bill Flower, a foresighted development coach and philanthropist who envisaged an even brighter future for the game in Zimbabwe with the increased participation of the country’s black majority population.
Taibu, then a pupil at Highfield’s Chipembere Primary School, was at that time part of a select squad coached by the elder Flower, who even took it upon himself to pick up the youngsters from home and dropping them off after cricket commitments.
“In the 1990s cricket in Zimbabwe was changing, and no one knew that better than my father, Bill,” writes Andy Flower.
“The generation of young black cricketers emerging from the Zimbabwe Cricket Union’s development programme in the high-density areas of the major cities were the future, and along with other coaches such as Peter Sharples (late legendary Queensdale Primary School and Churchill coach), Bill gave everything of himself to help these boys achieve their dreams in the game. Highfield, a township in the capital of Harare, soon proved to be a particular hotbed of talent, and in time would produce a number of the nation’s leading cricketers. None of them would prove more influential than Tatenda Taibu.”
Flower then took Taibu under his wing when he joined Winstonians around 1998, a relationship that grew over the years as the protégé became an adult himself.
“The young cricketers I encountered there were highly talented, technically excellent and all dreamt of a future for themselves in the game,” says Flower.
“I hoped I could enhance some of that with some of my own expertise and guidance. Soon enough Tatenda was following in my footsteps, turning his attentions to wicketkeeping in order to supplement his batting. He was a complete natural: quick over the ground, quick hands, good balance, excellent hand-eye coordination. He had all the components to be world-class with the gloves. By March 2000, he had joined the national squad as my wicketkeeping understudy in the West Indies. He was sixteen years old.”
That Taibu would become international captain at the age of 20 does not surprise Flower at all, and indeed it was senior players like him and Guy Whittall who pushed the diminutive wicketkeeper into leadership roles at a young age.
“Tatenda was always a role model, on and off the field,” remarks Flower.
“This was evident even at his junior school where he seemed to naturally evolve into leadership positions. He was a gutsy individual; always confident, always smart. When he first arrived in the dressing room, and because I recognised his potential, I often tried to challenge him to think both about his game and the team dynamics. His opinion was valued from a young age. Hopefully this stood him in good stead when he became captain in the most difficult of circumstances at the age of 20. He was still trying to organise his game as an international cricketer, and the problems that had engulfed Zimbabwe had not disappeared. It’s possible to captain successfully from a young age, take Graeme Smith at 21 as an example—but he would have had good people around to guide him. With Peter Chingoka and Ozias Bvute at the helm in Zimbabwean cricket, the same could not be said for Tatenda. That showed when he made his own stand against the board a little over a year later.
“There is no doubt they would have employed their classic divide and rule tactics with him, offering a sweetened personal deal at the expense of others, and expecting silence or support as a result. Tatenda was better than that and stuck to his values and principles. As with Henry Olonga and myself at the 2003 World Cup, his own personal fight was never going to bring about regime change, and it would have been naïve to think otherwise, but he made a point of standing up for his values. Speaking out in Zimbabwe was not necessarily the route to future safety or financial prosperity, yet Tatenda wavered not in the face of severe pressure from above.”
51-year-old Flower, a successful former England coach, wraps up by expressing how his heart bleeds for the game and his homeland.
“The mismanagement at the top of both cricket and government is heartbreaking to witness,” he writes. “It seems so entirely unnecessary. Zimbabwe is a resource-rich country with a strong foundation in good education. The parallel between the country’s story and that of its cricket is obvious, and tragic. Countless outstanding people have invested heartache, blood, sweat and tears into the game in our country, only to see its assets stripped and wasted. Is it retrievable? I suppose in time, anything’s achievable.”
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Interesting.
I’ve learnt the last few days that Flower and Taibu have a very strong bond. Never knew it. But it’s clear Flower mentored Taibu. They were both very headstrong.
I’ve learnt the last few days that Flower and Taibu have a very strong bond. Never knew it. But it’s clear Flower mentored Taibu. They were both very headstrong.
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zimbos_05 wrote: ↑Fri May 03, 2019 9:36 am
Is it not though? The name to Muleleki, so surely he gets to decide how he feels. Henry is basing his feelings on what he perceives the name to be and why it's being used. It's not a major argument, but I just feel like it almost seems like this constant need to prove racism in Zim rather than work together to fix the problems.
Mate it's simple the nick name was in reference to Nkala's skin colour, as I said although Nkala was ok with it doesn't mean the other black guys would be ok with it.
Also as I said if you're going to use these types of nick names don't use them in front of other people who might be offended.
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jaybro wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2019 11:52 pm
Mate it's simple the nick name was in reference to Nkala's skin colour, as I said although Nkala was ok with it doesn't mean the other black guys would be ok with it.
Also as I said if you're going to use these types of nick names don't use them in front of other people who might be offended.
We can go round in circles here and I don't think we'll agree. My points are simple. Taibu doesn't say it was a nick name based on skin colour.
The other black guys don't have a right to be offended for someone else. Everyone always wants to be offended, no one wants to break barriers and work together.
If I call someone by a nick name that they are ok with and don't find offensive, I'm not going to not call them that because James on the other side of the room might take offense to something I didn't say to him.
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jaybro wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2019 11:52 pm
zimbos_05 wrote: ↑Fri May 03, 2019 9:36 am
Is it not though? The name to Muleleki, so surely he gets to decide how he feels. Henry is basing his feelings on what he perceives the name to be and why it's being used. It's not a major argument, but I just feel like it almost seems like this constant need to prove racism in Zim rather than work together to fix the problems.
Mate it's simple the nick name was in reference to Nkala's skin colour, as I said although Nkala was ok with it doesn't mean the other black guys would be ok with it.
Also as I said if you're going to use these types of nick names don't use them in front of other people who might be offended.
Imagine if you’re at the Coogee Pavillion and you’re talking about the footy on the big screen and you say ‘Burgess is a beefcake’ and then some guy in tight pants and a ponytail comes up behind you, taps you on the shoulder and with a lisp says ‘excuse me. Can you please not use the term ‘beefcake’ because my friend outside and I are actually vegans and we like find that so offensive ok? What would you think?
Because that’s the way this stuff is headed and it’s happening. Gotta draw that line and that line has to be what Zimbos is saying.
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zimbos_05 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2019 2:50 am
There's a few things for me in this excerpt.
Mangongo is beating players, yet gets away with being an excellent coach and mentor. I don't care how good you are or think you are, you have no right to beat anyone. Why is he played off as a good guy all the time despite the countless accounts of his abuse and terrible man management.
Neil is being branded as a racist for calling Muleleki as nugget. Now I can see the point he is making, but he also claims that Neil and Muleleki got on very well. Surely people who get on well do not call each other racist names or allow that to happen. He is giving his view on why he got the name, but it could also be that he got it for an inside joke or something. So who is Henry to call out Neil when two guys who get on well interact in a certain way, especially if Neil asked Muleleki if he is ok with the name and he said he is.
I'm not denying racism occurred in certain individuals and parts, but it seems like the points being made are that racism can only occur if white people in Zim do something, but if a black person does it then it is allowed and ok. Where is the line.
The coach who shouted at him is on the wrong, particularly when he says, "you people". It cannot be allowed and never allowed. It needs to be stamped out. In saying that, Taibu should also have tried to call his teammates or contact someone to find out about the game. If you want something, you go for it and you make effort to get it. You don't wait for it to come to you.
He also speaks about ZCU programme which brought a lot of black people through the system before 2004. Wonder who was running the game before then to be able to implement these programmes...Now look at the game.
When will this game of us vs them stop so that we could put the sport, the players, the fans, and the country first.
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I've searched all over the Internet for Kudzai Taibu's picture for the Photo Quiz thread, assuming that even if he has left the game, he would at least be in some profession and would be putting up a profile of his own somewhere...
Now its clear why there are literally no pics of him anywhere...
Now its clear why there are literally no pics of him anywhere...
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It would be interesting to know how many migrant families flooded into this country when it was booming. The Olonga’s are from Kenya, probably from the same ‘hood as Obama! 😂 😂
But there are a large number of people that have not lived here past about 3 generations, yet have had their land returned to them 😂
Not that TT was one of them, he was offered but refused.
He didn’t pull any punches about Mangongo, you can’t hang a guy out to dry like that and then try and retrieve it by saying what a tireless, passionate guy he was and how good he was for development cricket. Well I guess you can, and he just did. 😂
There are actually a number of local coaches that cajole as opposed to encourage, Ive seen a lot of that.
If he’s as forthright about everyone in cricket it will make an interesting read. He will have seen the worst of everyone I reckon, but he will have to be careful, it’s still not safe to blurt out what really has gone on. It would be good to do it as a sworn affidavit and hand it to ICC and fraud squad. 😂
But there are a large number of people that have not lived here past about 3 generations, yet have had their land returned to them 😂
Not that TT was one of them, he was offered but refused.
He didn’t pull any punches about Mangongo, you can’t hang a guy out to dry like that and then try and retrieve it by saying what a tireless, passionate guy he was and how good he was for development cricket. Well I guess you can, and he just did. 😂
There are actually a number of local coaches that cajole as opposed to encourage, Ive seen a lot of that.
If he’s as forthright about everyone in cricket it will make an interesting read. He will have seen the worst of everyone I reckon, but he will have to be careful, it’s still not safe to blurt out what really has gone on. It would be good to do it as a sworn affidavit and hand it to ICC and fraud squad. 😂
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zimbos_05 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2019 2:50 am
There's a few things for me in this excerpt.
Mangongo is beating players, yet gets away with being an excellent coach and mentor. I don't care how good you are or think you are, you have no right to beat anyone. Why is he played off as a good guy all the time despite the countless accounts of his abuse and terrible man management.
Neil is being branded as a racist for calling Muleleki as nugget. Now I can see the point he is making, but he also claims that Neil and Muleleki got on very well. Surely people who get on well do not call each other racist names or allow that to happen. He is giving his view on why he got the name, but it could also be that he got it for an inside joke or something. So who is Henry to call out Neil when two guys who get on well interact in a certain way, especially if Neil asked Muleleki if he is ok with the name and he said he is.
In his autobiography Henry refers to this incident, without going into details, and says that later he wrote a personal letter to every team member who was there to apologize for his outburst.
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Not too sure he had anything to apologize about. You can’t good naturedly be calling someone nugget and not expect them to eventually react. That was the problem in those days, a lot of guys did say stuff that wasn’t cool.
I’d like Henry to write a book, I loved watching him bowl, an absolute legend of Zim cricket. He was a tremendous athlete, I remember once walking on the field and there was sawdust in his footmarks and I marveled at what a long stride he had, he really used to steam in.
Many mistakes made back then, and even more now.
I’d like Henry to write a book, I loved watching him bowl, an absolute legend of Zim cricket. He was a tremendous athlete, I remember once walking on the field and there was sawdust in his footmarks and I marveled at what a long stride he had, he really used to steam in.
Many mistakes made back then, and even more now.
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Henry’s brother, Victor, was a brilliant rugby player. There were allegations of racism in the rugby and much finger pointing back then and Victor was in the thick of it. That was around about the time Mliswa accused the coach (an Aussie) of being a racist and that got really nasty. Mliswa in those days wanted the coaching slot for himself, he’s raised his sights a bit, these days he wants to be President. He makes a few of the right noises but no one forgets the mayhem he’s caused. He’s actually pretty smart, our very own Julius.
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Googly wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2019 7:16 pm
Not too sure he had anything to apologize about. You can’t good naturedly be calling someone nugget and not expect them to eventually react. That was the problem in those days, a lot of guys did say stuff that wasn’t cool.
I’d like Henry to write a book, I loved watching him bowl, an absolute legend of Zim cricket. He was a tremendous athlete, I remember once walking on the field and there was sawdust in his footmarks and I marveled at what a long stride he had, he really used to steam in.
Many mistakes made back then, and even more now.
Gotta disagree.
Neil was good friends with Nkala and affectionately had that nickname. No elephant in the room. Just a black guy and a white guy being friends. The way it should be. Not tippytoeing around obvious things. But embracing it and rising above it. You should see the things I call my Muslim and Arab friends and vice versa.
I’m one of the most racist guys I know yet the Middle East of Sydney loves me. On the flip They don’t like the hippies that see racism on every corner. That ain’t real. It’s virtue signalling and they just think those guys are weird. Think about that. It’s the same thing. I bet Nkala was embarrassed by Henry. Nkala seems a genuine and easygoing guy.
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Although Nkala and Johnson may have been friends and were both comfortable with the nick name which was obviously referring to Nkala's skin colour, not everyone will feel comfortable with it so although you can argue Henry was being too sensitive the fact is Johnson shouldn't have been using that nick name in front of too many people because although it was directed at Nkala it has offended Henry and maybe some of the other black guys.
I think most people have at some point in their lives made or used a nick name for a friend referring to their ethnicity and as long as both parties are ok with it, nobody gets hurt as long as it stays between them. Once you start using it in front of other people you're bound to offend someone.
I think most people have at some point in their lives made or used a nick name for a friend referring to their ethnicity and as long as both parties are ok with it, nobody gets hurt as long as it stays between them. Once you start using it in front of other people you're bound to offend someone.
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Googly wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2019 7:16 pm
I’d like Henry to write a book, I loved watching him bowl, an absolute legend of Zim cricket. He was a tremendous athlete, I remember once walking on the field and there was sawdust in his footmarks and I marveled at what a long stride he had, he really used to steam in.
He has already written one? "Blood, Sweat and Treason: My Story" is the title.
From what I remember, there were some exaggerations according to those who read it and shared their views here, I haven't personally read it.
BTW, the only Cricket autobiography I have read so far is that of Steve Waugh. And it was worth it. May be I'll buy Taibu's.
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I’ve read Waugh’s Petersen’s, Botham’s, Boycott’s, Hussey’s, Gibbs’, Butcher’s, Fletcher’s and quite a few others. Enjoyed all of them. Perhaps my favorite was Woolmer’s, what a brilliant man.
I wasn’t aware Olonga had a book, I’ll get into it right away.
Fair point Dog, but there has to be a level of awareness or it doesn’t come off. Black folk call the whites Murungu or Muzungu which on the face of it is innocuous, but it’s often said in a slightly derogatory way.
I recently read “so You want to be a batsman,” focuses a lot on Sangakkara, very good!
I wasn’t aware Olonga had a book, I’ll get into it right away.
Fair point Dog, but there has to be a level of awareness or it doesn’t come off. Black folk call the whites Murungu or Muzungu which on the face of it is innocuous, but it’s often said in a slightly derogatory way.
I recently read “so You want to be a batsman,” focuses a lot on Sangakkara, very good!
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ShareFinished reading Taibu’s book. He was a determined belligerent man, who for better or worse stood his ground against authority. His book mirrors what googly talks about daily, minus the Christianity!! A real shame he wasn’t allowed to continue his rising stars tours.
Shame it didn’t talk more about the cricket and named names!
Shame it didn’t talk more about the cricket and named names!
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Ya Terry, these guys who write their bio’s irritate me. Just name and shame, they talk in bloody riddles.
As the author/publisher you can insure against possible lawsuits. I heard that Petersen had a 4m cover because he was expecting Flower to come after him. Maybe if Flower goes for the 4m and by prior arrangement splits it with Petersen they’ll all be happy? You just never know these days.
As the author/publisher you can insure against possible lawsuits. I heard that Petersen had a 4m cover because he was expecting Flower to come after him. Maybe if Flower goes for the 4m and by prior arrangement splits it with Petersen they’ll all be happy? You just never know these days.
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They stopped that RS because Taibu is a threat to them.
“The honest fanatic is infinitely worse than the worst scoundrel!”
If he’d gained any traction at ZC he would have gone after Makoni, the real puppet master.
“The honest fanatic is infinitely worse than the worst scoundrel!”
If he’d gained any traction at ZC he would have gone after Makoni, the real puppet master.
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Haven’t read it, but I do know a lot of people have a tendency to glamorise their stories m, They often come out the heroic or noble one. Even when people talk about their failures they often do it in a way to curry sympathy.
Perhaps Taibu is doing this if he hasn’t come out and named names.
I know he’s not the bad guy at all but for someone that’s positioning himself as the ZC liberator he did a terrible job in reality. Seems more just an outspoken grumbly employee than a man of action.
I can’t keep track but Googly has often mentioned times he could have stepped in and really thrown a spammer in the works. Not naming names as opposed to outing them seems another example.
Even though he was young and I can’t blame him, how good would it have been if he was part of the 2004 rebellion? His place in the boycott would have rewritten history I think. He was the black jewel at the time.
Perhaps Taibu is doing this if he hasn’t come out and named names.
I know he’s not the bad guy at all but for someone that’s positioning himself as the ZC liberator he did a terrible job in reality. Seems more just an outspoken grumbly employee than a man of action.
I can’t keep track but Googly has often mentioned times he could have stepped in and really thrown a spammer in the works. Not naming names as opposed to outing them seems another example.
Even though he was young and I can’t blame him, how good would it have been if he was part of the 2004 rebellion? His place in the boycott would have rewritten history I think. He was the black jewel at the time.
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