The first class season has started here in England, and Eddie Byrom has already made his mark by scoring unbeaten 50 and and unbeaten 100 for Somerset vs Cardiff MCCU. Bowling for Cardiff was Brad Evans, also a Zimbabwean. The whole game was streamed live on youtube and is still able to view, if you have spare 8 hours or so.
Nick Welch was batting for Loughborough MCCU vs Liecestershire, and scored 18 and 40 odd. No Malcolm Lake playing for Oxford who got a creditable draw with Middlesex. His studies must have finished. I'm going to watch Oxford on Monday so I'll try and find out what he's now up to.
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Dean was very subtly having a dig at Mukhu at times. But in a diplomatic way. I don’t know if too many people would have picked it up but I can tell Dean is critical of him.
But everyone’s right, if you didn’t follow Zim Cricket, you’d simply get the impression this is a guy doing his hardest who has made a mistake or two. Not a thief who’s incompetent and clinging to power. Amazing. They do the PR game well.
Ed is very confidently spoken for a 22 yr old.
But everyone’s right, if you didn’t follow Zim Cricket, you’d simply get the impression this is a guy doing his hardest who has made a mistake or two. Not a thief who’s incompetent and clinging to power. Amazing. They do the PR game well.
Ed is very confidently spoken for a 22 yr old.
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TapsC wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 12:24 pm
Its not like these guys are completely clueless. In fact I say this about the whole country. These people are not dumb, they just choose not to do the right thing
Very true. They know what to do to suit themselves
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The 15 billion dollar question is why. It’s every third world country. They’re called third world for a reason.
Why would you take something and run it into the ground as fast as you can? You can attempt to dignify it by saying you’re leveling the playing field of years of inequality, but if you take most of it for yourself, friends and family then you’re just a thief.
Other third world countries haven’t had the excuse of racial inequalities and they’re just as bad.
What slays me about our situation is that these politicians have enough money to last a couple of lifetimes of extravagant living yet they plunder faster and faster. It never occurs to any single one of them to fix anything, except about a month before elections.
There is not one thing in Zimbabwe that is not broken almost beyond repair, and that takes a special group of people to achieve that. If there’s ever a next group they will do the same, that’s the tragic part of this.
Why would you take something and run it into the ground as fast as you can? You can attempt to dignify it by saying you’re leveling the playing field of years of inequality, but if you take most of it for yourself, friends and family then you’re just a thief.
Other third world countries haven’t had the excuse of racial inequalities and they’re just as bad.
What slays me about our situation is that these politicians have enough money to last a couple of lifetimes of extravagant living yet they plunder faster and faster. It never occurs to any single one of them to fix anything, except about a month before elections.
There is not one thing in Zimbabwe that is not broken almost beyond repair, and that takes a special group of people to achieve that. If there’s ever a next group they will do the same, that’s the tragic part of this.
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sloandog wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 8:56 am
so leave..
I say that because you are clearly better than them, and have a brain. You could benefit another country's system
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zimbos_05 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 25, 2019 8:11 am
kudet wrote: ↑Fri Oct 25, 2019 7:15 am
https://twitter.com/dean_plessis/status ... 9984330752
interesting that tawengwa mukuhlani talks about the director of cricket to be appointed. and indirectly endorses pj moor.. this interview pretty much puts everything to bed. byrom wants to qualify for england.
Why does no one hold this man accountable? He gets away with so much.
Dean said some of the stuff was mystifying, so why did he not press him on that or question him further? Instead its just a case of, "oh well, let's hope".
My biggest fear is that he spoke of a lot of good things, but the people in charge are not the people who have the skills to do the job. He needs to engage with the cricket people before he does anything else.
Sad we have lost Byrom. Nothing more could be said that hasn't been about why this happens.
You honestly cant press these kind of people with tougher questions unless you want that to be your last interview in the sport. Thats the unfortunate reality on the ground
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Byrom might have his heart set out to play for England but the reality is he has a 40/60 chance of getting there and it will take maybe 4 years of consistent top top level cricket from him. 6 years if he has a couple of bad seasons in there too. He has a really long way to go. At 22 I am sure he is comfortable with how far he has progressed but he might not feel the same way at 26 watching his mates play at a world cup on TV. I wish him the best and nobody can blame him. For wanting to give it a shot.
He isnt the only one. Matigimu I hear also wants to give it a go down south although I dont know how far he will get. At least the quota sytem can open doors for him. I just know that no matter what team sport you play international represantation is the ultimate goal.
Despite people thinking gloom and doom on Zimbabwe cricket I see it differently. Guaranteed money for fixtures plus salaries and games for the next 4 years. How exactly are they going to close shop? They are the richest sports organisation in the country.
He isnt the only one. Matigimu I hear also wants to give it a go down south although I dont know how far he will get. At least the quota sytem can open doors for him. I just know that no matter what team sport you play international represantation is the ultimate goal.
Despite people thinking gloom and doom on Zimbabwe cricket I see it differently. Guaranteed money for fixtures plus salaries and games for the next 4 years. How exactly are they going to close shop? They are the richest sports organisation in the country.
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Club cricket should honestly be independently run but our dying economy has killed it. You dont want the national executive controlling absolutely everything. This is why even the franchise system was a good idea but again the economy failed them. In an ideal situation the national board should be in charge of all national teams plus development programmes only.
The cheapest and fastest way to revive club cricket is to create a university league. Thousands of students willing to play for free. Will just need to provide fuel, equipment, umpires and a cash prize. Most of them have fields already or they can play at high schools. Students dont need a lot. Much cheaper than a professional club cricket system. Could cost them less than 50k usd a year including scholarships. Tuition is dirt cheap at most institutions
The cheapest and fastest way to revive club cricket is to create a university league. Thousands of students willing to play for free. Will just need to provide fuel, equipment, umpires and a cash prize. Most of them have fields already or they can play at high schools. Students dont need a lot. Much cheaper than a professional club cricket system. Could cost them less than 50k usd a year including scholarships. Tuition is dirt cheap at most institutions
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Byrom is like a birthday cake baking away in someone else’s oven. A pathway to their national side is not 5/6 years though, that’s the extraordinary thing about cricket, you get 5 hundreds in a FC season and they like the look of you (leftie and all), you’re in the Lions side for an end of season tour faster than you can blink, especially as an opener. Then you need to make runs there and the planets need to align with one of the openers having a s**t run, which is always likely, and you can be fast tracked. I’m not saying it’s going to happen, I’m just saying once you make a few runs in FC people watch.
Take someone like Sibley, I don’t think “they” like him, but he’s beaten the door down. An elegant leftie gives selectors group Broke-Back Mountain chubbies.
Take someone like Sibley, I don’t think “they” like him, but he’s beaten the door down. An elegant leftie gives selectors group Broke-Back Mountain chubbies.
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The cheapest and fastest way to revive club cricket is to create a university league. Thousands of students willing to play for free. Will just need to provide fuel, equipment, umpires and a cash prize. Most of them have fields already or they can play at high schools. Students dont need a lot. Much cheaper than a professional club cricket system. Could cost them less than 50k usd a year including scholarships. Tuition is dirt cheap at most institutions
It’s certainly an option to get some volume going but we need a high standard of “premier” club cricket that creates a stepping stone to franchise.
We’re surely a failed state, there’s no escaping it. Independent club cricket in a failed state is not going to work well. I know I’m renowned as the doom merchant but we’re in serious s**t here economically. Zanu are not saving the day and they’re not going anywhere.
The big guess is what it’s all going to look like in a few months time. We have no food reserves for one.
The introduction of this new currency is going to flop dismally- their response will be even more command this and command that, militant gov youths etc etc. Anyway no choice, we continue trying to survive.
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TapsC wrote: ↑Fri Oct 25, 2019 10:42 am
Despite people thinking gloom and doom on Zimbabwe cricket I see it differently. Guaranteed money for fixtures plus salaries and games for the next 4 years. How exactly are they going to close shop? They are the richest sports organisation in the country.
I don't think it is doom and gloom, I just don't see how things will get better. We are still run by people who have no idea and only look out for themselves. So whilst there is all these games and money meant to be coming through, there is no guarantee it will find its way to the players or be put to the right areas. I have no faith in the current board to do the right thing and to act in the right manner, which would essentially lead to the constant players leaving and quotas.
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Just listened to the Dean at Stumps interview
Mukuhlani talks a good game and was very diplomatic when speaking about the players and who he thought should be captain. I feel he’s been given some advice not to speak his mind after his remarks about Streak. I still don’t believe he has the knowledge or desire to actually do anything to help the game, the only positives for the game are that ZC should be out of debt in a few years and that the FTP is packed, both points courtesy of the ICC not ZC.
As for Byrom his answers were very deflating for a Zimbabwe perspective, he distanced himself from Zimbabwe with the words he used so I can’t see him ever coming back. He’ll likely be tried for England & thrown on the scrap heap like Ballance.
Mukuhlani talks a good game and was very diplomatic when speaking about the players and who he thought should be captain. I feel he’s been given some advice not to speak his mind after his remarks about Streak. I still don’t believe he has the knowledge or desire to actually do anything to help the game, the only positives for the game are that ZC should be out of debt in a few years and that the FTP is packed, both points courtesy of the ICC not ZC.
As for Byrom his answers were very deflating for a Zimbabwe perspective, he distanced himself from Zimbabwe with the words he used so I can’t see him ever coming back. He’ll likely be tried for England & thrown on the scrap heap like Ballance.
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TapsC wrote: ↑Fri Oct 25, 2019 10:48 am
Club cricket should honestly be independently run but our dying economy has killed it. You dont want the national executive controlling absolutely everything. This is why even the franchise system was a good idea but again the economy failed them. In an ideal situation the national board should be in charge of all national teams plus development programmes only.
The cheapest and fastest way to revive club cricket is to create a university league. Thousands of students willing to play for free. Will just need to provide fuel, equipment, umpires and a cash prize. Most of them have fields already or they can play at high schools. Students dont need a lot. Much cheaper than a professional club cricket system. Could cost them less than 50k usd a year including scholarships. Tuition is dirt cheap at most institutions
spot on mate, i feel that the board missed a trick by not focusing on varsity cricket. this could have been an initiative they could have used to dangle a carrot for those u19s who are done with high school, give them a partial/full scholarship, appoint former players as coaches and keep track of such player performances and maybe an odd match for a franchise. universities should be used as high performance centres and zc should do something about it. what they need is a director who is cricket oriented, willing to try new ideas and make a follow up on it
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spot on mate, i feel that the board missed a trick by not focusing on varsity cricket. this could have been an initiative they could have used to dangle a carrot for those u19s who are done with high school, give them a partial/full scholarship, appoint former players as coaches and keep track of such player performances and maybe an odd match for a franchise. universities should be used as high performance centres and zc should do something about it. what they need is a director who is cricket oriented, willing to try new ideas and make a follow up on it
The "board missed a trick" Mate this uni league was taken to the wise makoni and a structure to train sports teachers around the country in level 1 cricket coaching, training 300 a year so that school kids from Peterhouse to mzilikai would be trained correctly in the basics. The response was what's in it for me....
Thats the bottom line individual greed comes before the country.
This also applies to the players, they too greedy for money to change the board. The players are the biggest strength. They get every thing they deserve .
You look at the documentation from 2003 it highlights and outlines how the board should be run and communication chains etc etc professionally done by international people. Everything for good governancce is there they refuse to implement it as they are too greedy.
Makoni just got himself a degree....
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Zim has well thought out laws against theft.
But they are not working that well.
I didn't say you only need religion. I said if Hitchens is right then all of your condemnation of ZC is pointless.
Literally meaningless.
If your faith is in us producing this civilization through competition for resources then why complain about moral issues when the ZC crooks outcompete the poor and the murungus?
If Hitchens' story is accurate they're just behaving according to their programming.
We can all chill.
But if stealing is actually wrong then it matters if the govt or ZC is doing it. And it really matters when the crooks are inside the church.
But if you are right, might is right.
But they are not working that well.
I didn't say you only need religion. I said if Hitchens is right then all of your condemnation of ZC is pointless.
Literally meaningless.
If your faith is in us producing this civilization through competition for resources then why complain about moral issues when the ZC crooks outcompete the poor and the murungus?
If Hitchens' story is accurate they're just behaving according to their programming.
We can all chill.
But if stealing is actually wrong then it matters if the govt or ZC is doing it. And it really matters when the crooks are inside the church.
But if you are right, might is right.
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I see that you can’t wrap your head around the fact that without an imaginary friend you believe there is no morality. My unbending personal moral code gets me into trouble all the time! Pray for me Brother 😂
I’ll leave you with George and his two commandments. Think out the box, bud, it’s all proven bullshit, at most be agnostic until the dude phones you.
https://youtu.be/CE8ooMBIyC8
I’ll leave you with George and his two commandments. Think out the box, bud, it’s all proven bullshit, at most be agnostic until the dude phones you.
https://youtu.be/CE8ooMBIyC8
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Everything can be justified for the greater good.
‘Kick the whites off the farm to give a brother a shot’. Moral justification.
‘My wife refuses to suck me off, she’s angry because I stayed up late with the boys on Saturday, but what an overreaction! I’m hitting up my ex who does that thing with her tongue’ justification.
‘My newborn son has Down syndrome. Poor guy. What a s**t life he will lead. I’m doing him a favour by drowning him’
‘Tinashe just dropped 50 bucks on the ground. He hasn’t noticed. He’s my friend but f**k him? He’s friends with the guy that raided my uncles farm. 50 bucks won’t kill him, it’s mine’
This is just random s**t that came into my head whilst eating pizza as I type. Can you see the slippery slope? I’m sure I could think of even curlier ones.
The Bible sets the standard.
‘Kick the whites off the farm to give a brother a shot’. Moral justification.
‘My wife refuses to suck me off, she’s angry because I stayed up late with the boys on Saturday, but what an overreaction! I’m hitting up my ex who does that thing with her tongue’ justification.
‘My newborn son has Down syndrome. Poor guy. What a s**t life he will lead. I’m doing him a favour by drowning him’
‘Tinashe just dropped 50 bucks on the ground. He hasn’t noticed. He’s my friend but f**k him? He’s friends with the guy that raided my uncles farm. 50 bucks won’t kill him, it’s mine’
This is just random s**t that came into my head whilst eating pizza as I type. Can you see the slippery slope? I’m sure I could think of even curlier ones.
The Bible sets the standard.
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Googly wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 12:47 pm
I see that you can’t wrap your head around the fact that without an imaginary friend you believe there is no morality. My unbending personal moral code gets me into trouble all the time! Pray for me Brother 😂
I’ll leave you with George and his two commandments. Think out the box, bud, it’s all proven bullshit, at most be agnostic until the dude phones you.
https://youtu.be/CE8ooMBIyC8
I can see your moral code. I have read lots of your words. It comes through clearly. But if there's no Code Giver, it is just a matter of opinion. And then I am just left to pick my outrage. Why be concerned with the thieving and the corruption if these guys are just doing what our species has always done to conquer the world? If you are right then there's no reason to be upset. But I am much more convinced by your judgement of wrong doing in ZC. Those judgements are generally consistent with what Jesus says. And sure, happy to pray for you whenever you ask, Googly.
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Angus Curtis playing a key role to help Ulster beat Bath last night in the European Cup. Would of been interesting to see how a cricket career would have gone.
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