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The first class season has started here in England, and Eddie Byrom has already made his mark by scoring unbeaten 50 and and unbeaten 100 for Somerset vs Cardiff MCCU. Bowling for Cardiff was Brad Evans, also a Zimbabwean. The whole game was streamed live on youtube and is still able to view, if you have spare 8 hours or so.

Nick Welch was batting for Loughborough MCCU vs Liecestershire, and scored 18 and 40 odd. No Malcolm Lake playing for Oxford who got a creditable draw with Middlesex. His studies must have finished. I'm going to watch Oxford on Monday so I'll try and find out what he's now up to.
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Chanceless 150 for Byrom debuting for Freemantle just now. These muppets just let the next Andy Flower slip through their fingers. Makes my blood boil.
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Googly wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 12:03 pm

Chanceless 150 for Byrom debuting for Freemantle just now. These muppets just let the next Andy Flower slip through their fingers. Makes my blood boil.


Wow. I have a couple questions Googly if you know the answer?

1. Is this stint a paid gig? I’m curious how it works In WA. Not sure the standard over there. It wouldn’t be nearly as high as in NSW but First grade would still be damn good. BBL and WA state players past and present would be littered throughout.

2. Why did he not choose to spend the upcoming season in the Logan cup?
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https://mycricket.cricket.com.au/common ... ID=3150545

It’s pretty strong in WA bowling wise especially. I am not sure about Fremantle but I know many clubs don’t pay.
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I can find out, don’t know offhand. Usually they provide accommodation and often a coaching role in the club, sometimes a few bucks, sometimes even a light job. I know that on a Zim or SA passport you have to be very careful about working. He’s receiving a decent salary from Somerset so money is no longer a pressing issue. He’s arrived, basically.

Ed’s parents have moved to the UK, his sister lives there as well, practically all his friends have left here and are in the UK as well. He now has no ties here whatsoever.

Our nation has completely imploded.
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And back home the government creates more ministerial posts, orders $16m worth of vehicles for everyone and fires 70 doctors for refusing to work for $80 a month.

Slightly overshadowed by the Swazi king who’s just ordered 120 BMW’s and 19 Rolls Royce’s for his family. It does seem a bit excessive when he’s only got 15 wives and 35 kids. Sometimes I think these rulers, and that’s what they are (forget this democratic bullshit) try and outdo each other. ED will order a 120 seater private jet (we no longer have a functional airline) from Dubai to collect him from Harare to fly him a couple of hundred km’s down the road.

What boggles my mind is that all these guys have millions of dirt poor, impoverished, hungry, uneducated and disenfranchised rabid supporters.

I don’t know what the answers are but as a fact democracy does not work in Africa and never will. In the ANC 233 MP’s (50%) have criminal records, and that’s in a country where they control the judiciary. It’s safe to say that 100% of them have committed jailable offenses.

Here in Zim there’s about 7 million people that will be requiring food aid before the next harvest. If we have a poor season I shudder to think what’s going to happen.

That’s more than half the rural population, who incidentally, continually vote for this government regardless of the hardships they endure. They get convinced every single time that the problems have been deliberately created by white enemies of the State. They fall for it every single time, and those that sit on the fence get their minds changed manually 😂

My friends who were ousted off their farm in Chinhoyi last week had to watch their animals endure the most horrific cruelties. What kind of person tortures a pig, a dog or a horse because it belongs to a guy whom they’ve been paid $5 to torment? I guess they’ve decided the animals are guilty by association. These people that perpetrate these acts get nothing from it but the daily rate, which they themselves can’t survive off. I’ve lived here my whole life and am no closer to understanding it.
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Eddie gets selected in the hundred draft
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£30k last round pick. Well done Eddie B!!!

He’s like that Shubman Gill, when these muppets figure out that Ed needs to open in T20 and not have to come in blasting at 5 or 6 then you’ll see what this young man can do, he’s an extraordinary talent.

I see S Curran was first round pick at £125k, he’s a really good player, but I’m a bit surprised at that.

Gayle didn’t get picked. How is that possible?
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To be honest, I wouldn't be picking Gayle either. He is 40 years old and the appeal of him in T20 just isn't there any more. There are many other players I'd rather have opening.
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Maybe he wanted too much money? That 125k top band he probably considered peanuts after what he gets in IPL.

Did he even make himself available for this?

Maybe he thought a poor tournament would reduce his value for the IPL, which he must surely know is his last.
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Googly wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 3:47 am

Maybe he wanted too much money? That 125k top band he probably considered peanuts after what he gets in IPL.

Did he even make himself available for this?

Maybe he thought a poor tournament would reduce his value for the IPL, which he must surely know is his last.


I think the top price is set, so if he wanted more, he would not have been part of the draft. I think also, the novelty and draw of Gayle has worn off. He might produce one big game and then nothing. It's like here in the BBL we are seeing the local guys play well consistently, and this is what fans appreciate. From a Brisbane fan perspective, we saw the emergence of Bryant last year. A young local talent which gives us the prospect of watching him next season, and then we look forward to that.

We tried the Gayle experiment, it kind of worked a bit, then the novelty wore off and fans got putt off him. They wanted something new and fresh.
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https://twitter.com/dean_plessis/status ... 9984330752

interesting that tawengwa mukuhlani talks about the director of cricket to be appointed. and indirectly endorses pj moor.. this interview pretty much puts everything to bed. byrom wants to qualify for england.
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kudet wrote: ↑Fri Oct 25, 2019 7:15 am

https://twitter.com/dean_plessis/status ... 9984330752

interesting that tawengwa mukuhlani talks about the director of cricket to be appointed. and indirectly endorses pj moor.. this interview pretty much puts everything to bed. byrom wants to qualify for england.


Why does no one hold this man accountable? He gets away with so much.

Dean said some of the stuff was mystifying, so why did he not press him on that or question him further? Instead its just a case of, "oh well, let's hope".

My biggest fear is that he spoke of a lot of good things, but the people in charge are not the people who have the skills to do the job. He needs to engage with the cricket people before he does anything else.

Sad we have lost Byrom. Nothing more could be said that hasn't been about why this happens.
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Maybe they will retain Makoni as MD and open up a new post as Director of Cricket? I don’t see him going anywhere except sideways or up.

You can’t ask a difficult question because thsts the last time you get an interview.

Byrom has to say all that stuff, but the fact is he can have two s**t years (unlikely) and be under pressure.

Or he can do well, but not ever crack an England berth.

That lure of international cricket is always there. Johnson and Goodwin are prime examples, fine players who knew they were unlikely to ever play for SA and Australia respectively.

Our country is in such dire straits I just don’t see any future here. The Chinese have suspended $1.3b worth of projects because Reserve Bank dipped into a $10m deposit of theirs, the gov is spending millions on this anti sanctions march to divert attention from their gross incompetence and greed. It’s also an act of desperation because we need some cheap loans urgently to keep the ship afloat. The East don’t want to give cheap long term loans to help out, they want to own resources and real estate, and they’ve got a huge footprint here now. The problem is a huge portion of any money coming in just disappears.

I don’t understand donor countries- they bring money in for projects but it goes directly to Reserve Bank and can only be withdrawn in local funds and at interbank rates, they pay duties in forex for all capital goods etc

If I was a donor country I’d just pack up and cut my losses. China keep bringing it because when we inevitably default they trade it for a bigger footprint and these guys are too greedy and desperate to see that they’re slowly colonizing us.

America were lambasted on ZTV yesterday yet continue to fund feeding programs? Sometimes it’s hard to fathom how the world works.

They were accused of supporting the Smith regime when in fact it was Kissinger that turned the screws on SA to prevent them supplying Rhodesia with fuel and munitions to continue the war. He turned off Rhodesian Front’s only supply line.

A few days of propoganda and a substantial portion of our country is now believing that we’re in this mess because of a Western plot! It’s actually mind boggling, but it will buy time. Mugabe and Zanu have shouted for years that they don’t need the West, but it turns out that their long term allies, the East, are harder to deal with and drive tougher bargains and bring less to the table.

African countries have played East off against the West for decades and have just assumed that both will keep throwing cash at them, and they have, but there’s definite signs of fatigue now.

There’s no mention of them screwing over the Chinese and Russian investors, whom nobody really wants except the bureaucrats because it’s pay day when they bring money, but they bring nothing to the country except rape and pillage. The Chinese in particular bring nothing but huge long term problems. They’ve got their hooks into us so deep that we’re never getting out from under them. It turns out that we ARE a colony again! The Brits who settled here declared UDI remember? They did not want to be a colony.

At the end of the day it’s a moot point, we’re in a big mess, whoever you choose to blame and there’s no way out. Even Mother Nature is playing her hand. If we get a drought this year the problems are a hundred fold. When was the last time the Chinese sent food aid to any distressed country? This Command Agriculture is just a mechanism to make billions for a handful of people.

The emissaries for assistance will be sent West with their begging bowls. Hopefully they don’t send the guy on TV yesterday that was foaming about the Americans even killing their own blacks and that they were public enemy number one.
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EU today steps up support to the people of #Zimbabwe with an additional 60 million USD. The funds will directly benefit the struggling population in the fields of health and resilience building!

This is from an EU tweet today. If you followed up and saw how much of this actually got to the people on the ground where it is so desperately needed it would shock you. They could use a portion of this to pay the striking doctors a living wage, but they won’t.
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These are the guys who have imposed sanctions on us.
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Googly wrote: ↑Fri Oct 25, 2019 9:06 am

These are the guys who have imposed sanctions on us.


I would give Eddie Byrom and Nick Welch a call up for Zimbabwe

Offer them the contract Jarvis & BT are getting and allow them to continue with their county contracts...
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jimmylesaint wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2019 10:20 am


spot on mate, i feel that the board missed a trick by not focusing on varsity cricket. this could have been an initiative they could have used to dangle a carrot for those u19s who are done with high school, give them a partial/full scholarship, appoint former players as coaches and keep track of such player performances and maybe an odd match for a franchise. universities should be used as high performance centres and zc should do something about it. what they need is a director who is cricket oriented, willing to try new ideas and make a follow up on it


The "board missed a trick" Mate this uni league was taken to the wise makoni and a structure to train sports teachers around the country in level 1 cricket coaching, training 300 a year so that school kids from Peterhouse to mzilikai would be trained correctly in the basics. The response was what's in it for me....

Thats the bottom line individual greed comes before the country.

This also applies to the players, they too greedy for money to change the board. The players are the biggest strength. They get every thing they deserve .

You look at the documentation from 2003 it highlights and outlines how the board should be run and communication chains etc etc professionally done by international people. Everything for good governancce is there they refuse to implement it as they are too greedy.

Makoni just got himself a degree....


This is the thing for me. They all talk this good game and all these ideas are there. They have the people around willing to run them and do the hard work, but they are just not interested.

Like I said in a previous post, all that talk from Mukhu means nothing to me. The man has no idea and the people around him are just in it for themselves. Until there is change at the top, I don't think we can see much changing and we will keep being taken over by much lesser sides.
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Makoni and Malema are frothing because the All Blacks suffered under the hand of the colonialists at the rugby yesterday.
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jaybro wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2019 1:13 am

Just listened to the Dean at Stumps interview

Mukuhlani talks a good game and was very diplomatic when speaking about the players and who he thought should be captain. I feel he’s been given some advice not to speak his mind after his remarks about Streak. I still don’t believe he has the knowledge or desire to actually do anything to help the game, the only positives for the game are that ZC should be out of debt in a few years and that the FTP is packed, both points courtesy of the ICC not ZC.

As for Byrom his answers were very deflating for a Zimbabwe perspective, he distanced himself from Zimbabwe with the words he used so I can’t see him ever coming back. He’ll likely be tried for England & thrown on the scrap heap like Ballance.


I liked the captaincy answer. Probably the only answer I really did like. They like PJ for multiple reasons and the truth is he does have the ability to lead. I liked his comment about Sean Williams and that winning mentality he seems to possess. Its not like these guys are completely clueless. In fact I say this about the whole country. These people are not dumb, they just choose not to do the right thing

You are also right that the ICC has basically saved ZC by doing their job for them. Organizing the money and fixtures
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TapsC wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 12:24 pm


jaybro wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2019 1:13 am

Just listened to the Dean at Stumps interview

Mukuhlani talks a good game and was very diplomatic when speaking about the players and who he thought should be captain. I feel he’s been given some advice not to speak his mind after his remarks about Streak. I still don’t believe he has the knowledge or desire to actually do anything to help the game, the only positives for the game are that ZC should be out of debt in a few years and that the FTP is packed, both points courtesy of the ICC not ZC.

As for Byrom his answers were very deflating for a Zimbabwe perspective, he distanced himself from Zimbabwe with the words he used so I can’t see him ever coming back. He’ll likely be tried for England & thrown on the scrap heap like Ballance.


I liked the captaincy answer. Probably the only answer I really did like. They like PJ for multiple reasons and the truth is he does have the ability to lead. I liked his comment about Sean Williams and that winning mentality he seems to possess. Its not like these guys are completely clueless. In fact I say this about the whole country. These people are not dumb, they just choose not to do the right thing

You are also right that the ICC has basically saved ZC by doing their job for them. Organizing the money and fixtures


Yes you’re right TapsC I probably would have liked the answer too if it were coming from someone else’s mouth, but call me a cynic but I don’t believe Mukuhlani or anything he says, he done his dash for me and showed his true colours with the way he handled the Streak situation.

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