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But surely we have to play down some of the time, we are always keen to play up, which means we are expecting NZ, WI, SL etc to play down.
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When (and as long as) Ireland have their full team available they're an even match for Zim, especially in home conditions and particularly in limited overs. In a five match ODI series played in Belfast and Dublin I'd make the Irish slight favourites.

And talking about facing challenging bowlers: Rankin and Dockerell will probably end up in England colours, and Afghanistan have a guy (or a couple) who send them down at 90 mph.

Zim are not going to improve their standing in world cricket by keeping other kids off the play-ground.
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ok ireland in ireland, in an all expenses paid quiet time of the year would be beneficial for zim i agree- even throw in scotland as a warm up.

im ok for the guys playing associates in their spare time but my reservations is it might be of financial detriment to them, which isnt worth it.

beating up a schoolkid isnt worth it if it sends you broke.
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ZIMDOGGY wrote:im ok for the guys playing associates in their spare time but my reservations is it might be of financial detriment to them, which isnt worth it.


Agreed!
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ZIMDOGGY wrote:we need to play more west indies type nations,

we wont ever improve playing scotland...who are as strong as mashonaland


god forgive me but I agree with Zimdoggy, our professional Rugby League supporter, here.

We will not gain by playing against the sweaties, we will only gain by playing the smaller test nations who are better than us. We will not gain by being thrashed by Aussie and England.

If we play games where we will whup the opposition what is the point in that ?
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ZIMDOGGY wrote:ok ireland in ireland, in an all expenses paid quiet time of the year would be beneficial for zim i agree- even throw in scotland as a warm up.

im ok for the guys playing associates in their spare time but my reservations is it might be of financial detriment to them, which isnt worth it.


An economist speaks.
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Zimfanatic69 wrote:If we play games where we will whup the opposition what is the point in that ?


Ranking points. :)
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maehara wrote:

Zimfanatic69 wrote:If we play games where we will whup the opposition what is the point in that ?


Ranking points. :)


In the overall scheme of things does that really mean owt ?
Surely, playing some matches, especially in the European conditions where our batsmen struggle, is better than playing no matches at all??? I agree with foreign field. The experience of playing against a full strength Ireland will be invaluable experience for the team. Don't forget nearly everyone in the Irish team plays in the 1st XI for their respective counties. So they will be as formidable, if not slightly stronger, in their home conditions.As many of our bowlers aren't currently being courted by the counties, they will gain the experience of playing in European conditions.

The only problem is finance. Both ZC & Cricket Ireland are cash strapped.
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Zimfanatic69 wrote:

maehara wrote:

Zimfanatic69 wrote:If we play games where we will whup the opposition what is the point in that ?


Ranking points. :)


In the overall scheme of things does that really mean owt ?


Note the smiley. But to give a serious answer, when initial World Cup / T20 qualifying spots are now decided on the basis of ranking, then I'd be more than happy to game the system a bit & load our rankings by whupping a few minnows.
I'm sorry but most of the comments on this thread are nothing short of ridiculous. Your 'A' team playing Ireland? Ireland beat Zimbabwe the last time these teams clashed- and cricket experts in several interviews have stated that Ireland have progressed to a higher level than Zimbabwe and are on par, if not above, Bangladesh. According to statistics, Ireland have 6 times more of a chance of winning the T20 world cup than Zimbabwe. Either way i've only read one or two comments mentioning the A team playing Ireland, most of the others just mention teams like Kenya and Namibia.

Why does Zimbabwe not want to play Ireland? Is it because they've reached a higher level than Ireland and are too good for them? No, it's not. Simply put- losing badly to an associate side could damage Zimbabwe's role in the test playing ten and comprehensive losses might even make the ICC taking back their test status rights once again. Ireland poses the biggest risk to them here- when the 10 man, no qualification 2015 world cup was announced, the first thing Zimbabwe did was pull out of the scheduled series with Ireland- they claimed domestic reasons but realistically, it was probably because losing badly to Ireland would have led to a probable qualification method to be one of the world cup ten, which would have put Zimbabwe at huge risk of not qualifying. Zimbabwe are currently ranked tenth in the world, overtaking Ireland the previous tenth. Is this because they're a better team? No not in the least- it's simply because Zimbabwe gets more ODIs than Ireland- while Zimbabwe was having series against Bangladesh, New Zealand and Pakistan Ireland make do with the occaisional ODI scrap thrown at them- which is why they were surpassed in Rankings. So instead of being ignorant towards hard working teams like Ireland that have progressed so much, and classing them with your 'A' sides- show them a little respect for all they have achieved in the 6 years they've had ODI status and minimal help from the ICC.
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I'm sorry but most of the comments on this thread are nothing short of ridiculous. Your 'A' team playing Ireland? Ireland beat Zimbabwe the last time these teams clashed- and cricket experts in several interviews have stated that Ireland have progressed to a higher level than Zimbabwe and are on par, if not above, Bangladesh. According to statistics, Ireland have 6 times more of a chance of winning the T20 world cup than Zimbabwe. Either way i've only read one or two comments mentioning the A team playing Ireland, most of the others just mention teams like Kenya and Namibia.


errr we beat Ireland 2-1 last time we played them in a series and beat them easily in a world cup warm up match, check your facts please Sir!!
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Zimbabwe are currently ranked tenth in the world, overtaking Ireland the previous tenth. Is this because they're a better team? No not in the least- it's simply because Zimbabwe gets more ODIs than Ireland- while Zimbabwe was having series against Bangladesh, New Zealand and Pakistan Ireland make do with the occaisional ODI scrap thrown at them- which is why they were surpassed in Rankings. So instead of being ignorant towards hard working teams like Ireland that have progressed so much, and classing them with your 'A' sides- show them a little respect for all they have achieved in the 6 years they've had ODI status and minimal help from the ICC.


Ireland get plenty of points by playing regular ODI's against Scotland, Netherlands, Kenya and Canada, if Zimbabwe played these teams as regulaly as Ireland do then Zimbabwe would be miles ahead in the rankings.

zimfan1 wrote:

I'm sorry but most of the comments on this thread are nothing short of ridiculous. Your 'A' team playing Ireland? Ireland beat Zimbabwe the last time these teams clashed- and cricket experts in several interviews have stated that Ireland have progressed to a higher level than Zimbabwe and are on par, if not above, Bangladesh. According to statistics, Ireland have 6 times more of a chance of winning the T20 world cup than Zimbabwe. Either way i've only read one or two comments mentioning the A team playing Ireland, most of the others just mention teams like Kenya and Namibia.


errr we beat Ireland 2-1 last time we played them in a series and beat them easily in a world cup warm up match, check your facts please Sir!!


Ireland beat Zimbabwe by 4 wickets in their 2011 warm up game. They've improved considerably since the last series you played against them. You really haven't seen Paul Stirling bat have you?

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/c ... 73328.html

There's the scorecard- if you have a problem with that evidence take it up with the ICC :)

And about the ODIs- usually Ireland plays about 1/2 ODIs per series with associates as funding is also needed for the warmup games. And out of those 2/3 series they're sometimes against weak associates who's wins don't give ranking changes or significant points.
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what do you mean homeboy?

people here arent saying lets not play ireland as some sort of conspiracy manouevre, they are saying lets not play them because A)they are an assoc. or B) We cant afford to in the cash money sense.

also jonathan, did you watch the origin? do you think the blues can square the series?
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We couldn't play Ireland during the Zimbabwean summer because there was no room for the series. We had all three of Pakistan, New Zealand and Bangladesh to house and accommodate. You can't say just because Zimbabwe turned Ireland down for a series they simply didn't want to play them, that's just ridiculous, Zimbabwe invited Ireland over in 2010/11, which they won comfortably. (2-1).

And I've stirling bat, a very very exciting prospect bat, bat have you seen Brendan Taylor ? Have you seen Charles Coventry ? Have you seen Kyle Jarvis, Tendai Chitara, Malcolm Waller and Hamilton Mazkadza ? Zimbabwe have better players and better depth than Ireland, which is why they are, and always will be the better side, period.
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I have no problem with us playing Ireland more, particularly in Ireland. I think we saw in the NZ tour just how much we struggle outside of Africa.
My All-time Zimbabwe XI
Neil Johnson, Brendan Taylor, Murray Goodwin, Andy Flower (w), David Houghton, Sean Williams, Heath Streak (c), Andy Blignaut, Paul Strang, Eddo Brandes, Blessing Muzarabani
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I HOPE THATS THE CASE EUGENE, that its just away game syndrome.

ive said it before... but it feels like whenever a team trys to blast the zim bowlers, they pull it off.

example; my fear is teams fear ray prices reputation more than his bowling on the day. he doesnt seem to have much answers when he gets tonked.
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Yeah, Price does seem to struggle when he is targeted. That being said, I have seen every spinner hit out of the attack at some point, even Murali and Warne would get tonked occasionally.
My All-time Zimbabwe XI
Neil Johnson, Brendan Taylor, Murray Goodwin, Andy Flower (w), David Houghton, Sean Williams, Heath Streak (c), Andy Blignaut, Paul Strang, Eddo Brandes, Blessing Muzarabani
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thats true,

although when warne got tonked it was usually brian lara or someone.

price gets tonked by james franklin

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