I do think they experienced coaches have a fair idea of who is capable of playing at international level and who isn’t. It’s not always about how well you do locally, especially when the standard is not great. I get what you’re saying about Burl and Tari not scoring in franchise or against Kenya, but Cephas did, and he should have been given a go in the T20’s. I haven’t seen much of the other guys you mentioned so can’t comment. That’s the problem with ZC, they make decisions that they don’t have to justify because there’s no way of anyone pulling them up for poor choices. If they had a proper selection committee of experienced knowledgeable guys I don’t think we’d have had this scenario. This smacked of people exercising their right of veto.
Ed Byrom is a good example of someone not doing well at franchise but is absolutely capable of doing well at a higher level. He had one good innings out of about 6 and people wondered what all the hype was about, but he’s a damned fine batsman, you can see it a mile off.
It’s a frustrating game and doesn’t ever go according to the form book.
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Hammy somehow typifies our batting woes. He’s a guy that’s I’ve admired for years. He’s a damned fine player and a good guy, but why does he not average in the high 30’s or 40’s because he’s absolutely good enough. Something in our system or national psyche turns potentially really good players into frustratingly ordinary ones. Once you have a certain skill level it’s just one split second error of judgement that gets you out more often than not. What makes some guys blunder less than others?
Books have been written on the subject. There’s no defined solution, what works for some doesn’t for others. I don’t like mentioning luck, but it plays a hand. If anything can go wrong for us, it invariably does.
Steve Waugh probably had less of a batting skill set than Hammy or Vusi, yet one is a great and our men have never reached the heights they may have. Cricket is so much a mental game once you reach a certain level.
One thing all the big teams have had is continuity- by this I mean you come into the side and there’s a seriously good player you can feed off and learn from.
For example, if these guys had had the benefit of playing with Andy Flower they would have been at another level today. Having a machine at the other end with a win at all costs attitude just sets a huge benchmark for people to follow. One wonders what created Flower because he didn’t have that. I think Houghton played a big part, but he was a much more flamboyant player.
Those guys as a team figured out what it took to really compete, although they didn’t win that often they generally gave a fairly good account of themselves. You can be told how to do it, but at the end of the day as a team you have to figure out stuff for yourselves and you need some hard men to lead the way.
Books have been written on the subject. There’s no defined solution, what works for some doesn’t for others. I don’t like mentioning luck, but it plays a hand. If anything can go wrong for us, it invariably does.
Steve Waugh probably had less of a batting skill set than Hammy or Vusi, yet one is a great and our men have never reached the heights they may have. Cricket is so much a mental game once you reach a certain level.
One thing all the big teams have had is continuity- by this I mean you come into the side and there’s a seriously good player you can feed off and learn from.
For example, if these guys had had the benefit of playing with Andy Flower they would have been at another level today. Having a machine at the other end with a win at all costs attitude just sets a huge benchmark for people to follow. One wonders what created Flower because he didn’t have that. I think Houghton played a big part, but he was a much more flamboyant player.
Those guys as a team figured out what it took to really compete, although they didn’t win that often they generally gave a fairly good account of themselves. You can be told how to do it, but at the end of the day as a team you have to figure out stuff for yourselves and you need some hard men to lead the way.
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Kriterion_BD wrote: ↑Fri Feb 09, 2018 9:49 pm
afghankhan wrote: ↑Fri Feb 09, 2018 7:50 pm
Zimbabwe is not showing fight. I don't see emotions or a desire to win. When we play Ireland I usually hate their players and they provoke strong emotions in me, but that is simply not the case with Zimbabwe. They body language is so dull.
I've always got that vibe from the ZIM team as well. Almost like they are just in it for the money ie its just a job. I'm guessing only the white guys have been playing cricket since childhood and the others just picked it up much later in their youth.
Can u leave colour out of it . If someone is good then he's good if you are bad you are bad
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Googly wrote: ↑Fri Feb 09, 2018 5:31 pm
I agree with what you say about them not taking Tari and Burl, but I think Burl gets the nod ahead of Tari on account of him being a Leftie and providing a bowling option. These guys are the best we’ve got and they have huge capacity to improve, let’s see how they go in the next few, but it is depressing.
Wrist spinners seem to be causing problems everywhere.
I still back Burl to come right.
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Imagine staying away from making comments until one comes across this. I have read many hilarious propaganda pieces in my time but this takes the cake. 😂 😂 😂 😂
Your last post is mighty fine though.
Googly wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2018 10:07 am
Hammy somehow typifies our batting woes. He’s a guy that’s I’ve admired for years. He’s a damned fine player and a good guy, but why does he not average in the high 30’s or 40’s because he’s absolutely good enough. Something in our system or national psyche turns potentially really good players into frustratingly ordinary ones. Once you have a certain skill level it’s just one split second error of judgement that gets you out more often than not. What makes some guys blunder less than others?
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Racial Nuclear Bomb dropped by Mugabe in 2003, 14 years ago damaged cricket culture & games growth in the nation, all talents comming now are of " average " class.
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Milan it'll pick up the English mate.
It's just the Afghan broadcasters introducing it for now. Come 10.30 it'll pick up in English
It's just the Afghan broadcasters introducing it for now. Come 10.30 it'll pick up in English
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Ervine in for Moor. Vitori in for Muzarabani. Afghanistan to bat first.
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The Zimbabwean national anthem is lonnnnng.
Can't wait to see Vitori bowl.
Can't wait to see Vitori bowl.
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There are actually a couple of ZIM fans in the stands!
Will be interesting to see how Vitori bowls.
Is this the first ever time Vitori, Chatara, and Jarvis are bowling in tandem??? I think so.
Will be interesting to see how Vitori bowls.
Is this the first ever time Vitori, Chatara, and Jarvis are bowling in tandem??? I think so.
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zimlover wrote: ↑Fri Feb 09, 2018 9:40 am
Jarvis was a performer, I think it's fair to say he is a spent force, for a player who spent time playing in a professional set in county cricket you would expect more from him.
He has lost pace and is not swinging the ball or generating any kind of movement.Lets not forget this is the same player who was sharing a dressing room with James Anderson.
He has been a complete disappointment.
Dont even get me started on Brandon Taylor.
I hope they both prove me wrong
I don't know what your're smoking but I want some..
Against South Africa in the test match, Jarvis was our best bowler. In the test match against the West Indies he kept it tight and took wickets when others struggled. He's done the same in the ODI's he's played since his comeback and taken wickets. Not moving the ball? He's moving rhe ball appreciably in all the games I've watched of him.
Not sure what sharing a changing room with James Anderson has to do with anything. When he was at Lancashire Jarvis moved the ball more than most and took wickets for fun. Here he's bowling virtaully on a dirt track with little in it for the bowlers, yet he's still been the standout.
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Interesting Vitori is bowling with long sleeves maybe he’s still worried about his action
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No movement out there we will have to rely on drying up the runs and waiting for them to play dumb shots
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