I know this is for ZC only but I wanted other people opinion on the shambolic performance of South Africa.
Apparently they now have to field 7 players of colour in the side, with three being black African.
Ngidi, Bavuma and Rabada are all there, yet both the Hendricks make the sides. Two of the most over rated cricketers and blatant quota selections ever.
You have Jannaman Malan and Kyle Verryene in the squad who can’t get a game, yet they have to select inferior players based on race.
I actually think this might be the end of a competitive South Africa cricket team. I don’t see how they can compete when they play cricketers like Hendricks and, because of politics, have to ignore guys like Coetzee, Muelder and Malan.
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I don't understand what CSA are thinking here, Bavuma is not even a regular in ODIs and T20s yet has been appointed as the captain, he would have struggled for a place in the side had it not been for transformation targets.
I know there aren't too many options but they could have looked at players like Markram, Rabada, Verryene, or may be Van Der Dussen.
Bavuma leading the side for two T20 WCs and one ODI WC is a complete shocker.
I know there aren't too many options but they could have looked at players like Markram, Rabada, Verryene, or may be Van Der Dussen.
Bavuma leading the side for two T20 WCs and one ODI WC is a complete shocker.
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Van Der Dusson would have been the other candidate for LOI'S, but that was never going to happen.
SA are gripped by this transformation policy which is crippling their selection process, but at least in ODI cricket Bavuma is decent. I simply don't rate him in test cricket and really do find it annoying when you have a genuine black talent in Keegan Peterston in the squad who can't get a look in.
I watched Bavuma in the MSL and he looked really good and fearless. If he bats like that then I have no issue at all with him as skipper, as he appears confident and looks to relish the fight. But in test cricket? Nah, not good enough. He needs to take a look at the mental toughness of Rassie, who is on a whole different level
SA are gripped by this transformation policy which is crippling their selection process, but at least in ODI cricket Bavuma is decent. I simply don't rate him in test cricket and really do find it annoying when you have a genuine black talent in Keegan Peterston in the squad who can't get a look in.
I watched Bavuma in the MSL and he looked really good and fearless. If he bats like that then I have no issue at all with him as skipper, as he appears confident and looks to relish the fight. But in test cricket? Nah, not good enough. He needs to take a look at the mental toughness of Rassie, who is on a whole different level
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I agree @sloan. This is the other thing I don't get about CSA. They have genuinely good black cricketers, yet they somehow still manage to pick the coloured players who are not actually that good. Obviously KG is the best of the lot, but then they end up picking others who are just not cut out for international cricket.
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I guess it’s the same in Zimbabwe, plenty of black cricketers have been mistreated by the selectors
Rainsford
Shingi
Chisoro
Madziva
Tawanda Mupariwa
Even Hamilton at times was dropped for no good reason
Rainsford
Shingi
Chisoro
Madziva
Tawanda Mupariwa
Even Hamilton at times was dropped for no good reason
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That's sport though to an extent/life. You could argue some Australian cricketers have been mistreated as well.
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jaybro wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 10:03 am
I guess it’s the same in Zimbabwe, plenty of black cricketers have been mistreated by the selectors
Rainsford
Shingi
Chisoro
Madziva
Tawanda Mupariwa
Even Hamilton at times was dropped for no good reason
Main difference is that we are run by headless buffoons who when things got bad, made them worse. All other countries would fix their s**t.
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Kyle Verreynne is smashing hundreds after hundreds, how long can they keep him out of the test team? He is someone who can make it really big at international level.
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sam_ahm wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 10:15 am
Kyle Verreynne is smashing hundreds after hundreds, how long can they keep him out of the test team? He is someone who can make it really big at international level.
He' a gun. Called his name on here back in 2018.
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sloandog wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 9:53 pm
sam_ahm wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 10:15 am
Kyle Verreynne is smashing hundreds after hundreds, how long can they keep him out of the test team? He is someone who can make it really big at international level.
He' a gun. Called his name on here back in 2018.
Yup, South Africa's prospects look a lot better now, there is Janneman, Verreynne, Markram and Peter Malan can also get a look in.
If they are looking for colored players then as you said Zorzi and Stuurman are there and Hamza seems to be finding some form again.
Mulder is a fine all rounder too.
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I could talk all day about lads who nobody on here would have heard of before, guys who are about 19 or 20 and will feature in the next under 19 CWC.
I'm actually pleased they are moving away from the likes of Steyn and Du Plessis. They have been amazing players and were part of a golden era really for South African Cricket. Well, steyn was for sure.
Jannaman Malan is going to be as good as Herschelle Gibbs, I'm telling you now and you heard it here from me. His off side play is almost a mirror image of a young Gibbs. Big call, but it'll happen.
Verreyne is a test player right now! How he doesn't get game time is a mystery. Van Tonder is as good ig not better than Markram and Matty Breezke will be the next LO batting sensation. Then there's Keegan Peterson
Depth is not am issue here, they have it, they have the talent to mold. Its their system which is hindering and crippling their development.
Marco Jansen, for example, will be rapid in 2 years. When he fills out and when he really grows into his action he'll be a handful....I just don't know where they will fit him in
I'm actually pleased they are moving away from the likes of Steyn and Du Plessis. They have been amazing players and were part of a golden era really for South African Cricket. Well, steyn was for sure.
Jannaman Malan is going to be as good as Herschelle Gibbs, I'm telling you now and you heard it here from me. His off side play is almost a mirror image of a young Gibbs. Big call, but it'll happen.
Verreyne is a test player right now! How he doesn't get game time is a mystery. Van Tonder is as good ig not better than Markram and Matty Breezke will be the next LO batting sensation. Then there's Keegan Peterson
Depth is not am issue here, they have it, they have the talent to mold. Its their system which is hindering and crippling their development.
Marco Jansen, for example, will be rapid in 2 years. When he fills out and when he really grows into his action he'll be a handful....I just don't know where they will fit him in
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No mate but I have a lot of mates out there and I've been a number of times. I've actually watched a lot of franchise cricket out there and the standard is very high.
A lot of the players of colour in the franchise system deserve to be there at that level. Where a lot of them don't belong is the national side. Guys like Zondo, Dala, Magala, Mgjima are solid FC players but aren't good enough to make the jump.
De Zorzi and Keegan Peterson are two blokes who genuinely could achieve a lot in the full national side and help with this ridiculous quota system.
Then there's Gerald Coetzee. 90mph, bowls rockets, gun fielder and is a genuine batter. He's about 6ft3 too. Will he get a look in? Maybe in a few years.
Corbin Bosh is another guy. Bowled a 149kph rocket in the recent T20 Cup.
Talent isn't an issue, it's there, they have it. They don't have the system to support it, simple.
A lot of the players of colour in the franchise system deserve to be there at that level. Where a lot of them don't belong is the national side. Guys like Zondo, Dala, Magala, Mgjima are solid FC players but aren't good enough to make the jump.
De Zorzi and Keegan Peterson are two blokes who genuinely could achieve a lot in the full national side and help with this ridiculous quota system.
Then there's Gerald Coetzee. 90mph, bowls rockets, gun fielder and is a genuine batter. He's about 6ft3 too. Will he get a look in? Maybe in a few years.
Corbin Bosh is another guy. Bowled a 149kph rocket in the recent T20 Cup.
Talent isn't an issue, it's there, they have it. They don't have the system to support it, simple.
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Okie mate, I follow South African cricket quite closely too, has always been one of my favorite teams and I wish I could see them win a WC soon. I just hope their internal board problems are resolved so that the team can focus entirely on cricket.
Is Immi Tahir still in the plans for T20 WC or have they just decided to move on from him? I know he hasn't retired from T20s yet.
Is Immi Tahir still in the plans for T20 WC or have they just decided to move on from him? I know he hasn't retired from T20s yet.
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To be honest the way Shamsi has bowled I think he'll struggle to get back in.
I'm not a massive fan of Shamsi but he has had some seriously good games in recent times.
They need to do away with the two Hendricks'
I'm not a massive fan of Shamsi but he has had some seriously good games in recent times.
They need to do away with the two Hendricks'
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There are some very poor international sides at the moment. Bangladesh, South Africa, Sri Lanka and the West Indies are miles behind the big 3, Pakistan and New Zealand.
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I think the West Indies are a side on the rise. They have been now for a good year.
They won 2-0 in Bangladesh, they beat Sri Lanka in the T20's 2-1 and they won the ODI's 3-0. Coupled with the fact they have won some good test matches this year as well speaks volumes in my opinion.
South Africa are falling behind rapidly though
They won 2-0 in Bangladesh, they beat Sri Lanka in the T20's 2-1 and they won the ODI's 3-0. Coupled with the fact they have won some good test matches this year as well speaks volumes in my opinion.
South Africa are falling behind rapidly though
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Yeah west indies has a real cohesiveness under holder and more players seem to be playing for the national side as well as lots of investment in youth and new players. That tour to the UK showed it. Sri Lanka have never really recovered from the loss of their big players and South Africa shoot themselves in the foot. I don't think Bangladesh is in such trouble as the two mentioned before. They have some good players but they also do have some good players getting older that will be difficult to replace.
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ShareThere are so many bad teams atm in cricket that all of them except Aus, Eng, Ind, NZ deserve to play qualifiers in order to get into WC. SA is at its worst atm and the direction in which its heading, i dont see them getting any better in next 10 years. Even in UK, the cricket is a sport just enjoyed by rich white people or British Asians. WI is getting better tbh, especially with the new management in WICB, SL is in dumps, Bangladesh is where it has been since ages, their current crop is not good at all. Severe lack of talent, their current team is like leagues below Kenya of 1996-2003. The only reason why they look better is because the other teams are getting worse. Pakistan is in a similar position but its still like 1000 times better than Bangladesh would beat them easily in any neutral venue.
ICC has to be the worst board in all the sports. If they were more focused on spreading the game rather than getting bullied by a third world country like India, Cricket would have been much better and I wouldn't have been embarrassed to tell the girl I'm into that cricket is my fav sport.
ICC has to be the worst board in all the sports. If they were more focused on spreading the game rather than getting bullied by a third world country like India, Cricket would have been much better and I wouldn't have been embarrassed to tell the girl I'm into that cricket is my fav sport.
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