I know this is for ZC only but I wanted other people opinion on the shambolic performance of South Africa.
Apparently they now have to field 7 players of colour in the side, with three being black African.
Ngidi, Bavuma and Rabada are all there, yet both the Hendricks make the sides. Two of the most over rated cricketers and blatant quota selections ever.
You have Jannaman Malan and Kyle Verryene in the squad who can’t get a game, yet they have to select inferior players based on race.
I actually think this might be the end of a competitive South Africa cricket team. I don’t see how they can compete when they play cricketers like Hendricks and, because of politics, have to ignore guys like Coetzee, Muelder and Malan.
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ZIMDOGGY wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2024 8:29 am
sam_ahm wrote: ↑Wed May 15, 2024 6:38 pm
Pat_Bee wrote: ↑Wed May 15, 2024 6:22 pm
The sack the transformation targets off for a World Cup because they want the best chance of winning, they’ll be back for meaningless bilateral’s though. Shows how much faith they really have in the system.
Agreed, but still a bold step.
Is it though?
The targers only say 3 black blacks if I recall correctly.
They are still adhering to the coloured targets.
Targets say 2 black africans and 6 players of color. It's not a massive miss on the face of it, but it's kind of unexpected going by the way they prioritised transformation over the last decade.
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Eksteen looked handy with the ball but was very much in the mold of Kyle Bowie.
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Ya that one game in particular he bowled very well. I'd heard that he was a good bat as well, but he was disappointing in that dept.
Problem is he looks like he'll become a dibbly dobbly type bowler, doesn't look like he'll develop gas. Hopefully I'm wrong.
Problem is he looks like he'll become a dibbly dobbly type bowler, doesn't look like he'll develop gas. Hopefully I'm wrong.
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Have South Africa moved on from Wayne Parnell? Seems to have lost his spot in both ODIs and T20s, to be honest he was doing OK before getting injured and then was overlooked!
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Hopefully. Extremely over rated, well and truly past it and a very average bloke. Nandre Burger and Marco Jansen are ten times the cricketer he ever will be
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Funny that; he reckoned this Sloandawg guy was a handy player, nowt but praise for your exploits fella.
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I've never got the rave about Parnell. 2009? Yea, he bowled rockets and swung the ball late. But then Gary Kirsten f***ed with his action and he lost all swing and pace
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Ya I do agree that Parnell is past it, I was just curious to know if it is injury or something that is still keeping him out or is he genuinely overlooked.
The emergence of younger bowlers like Jansen, Coetzee, Burger has definitely put him down the order and now even Phelukwayo is doing reasonably well. Parnell never really became the batter he could, his bowling was fine but I thought his batting never really developed or helped him become a genuine all rounder.
The emergence of younger bowlers like Jansen, Coetzee, Burger has definitely put him down the order and now even Phelukwayo is doing reasonably well. Parnell never really became the batter he could, his bowling was fine but I thought his batting never really developed or helped him become a genuine all rounder.
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He promised much early in his career, with bat and ball.
Still a decent player. He's not the nicest bloke, as Sloandog says. Arrogant guy. A lot of these South Africans look down on us, makes many of us defensive before you even start.
Theyre busy counting votes in their election. Word is that ANC will lose their majority, but I doubt that. ANC and Zanu know how to win elections. DA are also corrupt, thsyre all tainted. If they do lose there are going to be some interesting coalitions. The corruption and murder rates in SA are world class. As long as Malema doesn't have too much say. It's a weird time when you start agreeing with some of the s**t that he spouts though 😂
Still a decent player. He's not the nicest bloke, as Sloandog says. Arrogant guy. A lot of these South Africans look down on us, makes many of us defensive before you even start.
Theyre busy counting votes in their election. Word is that ANC will lose their majority, but I doubt that. ANC and Zanu know how to win elections. DA are also corrupt, thsyre all tainted. If they do lose there are going to be some interesting coalitions. The corruption and murder rates in SA are world class. As long as Malema doesn't have too much say. It's a weird time when you start agreeing with some of the s**t that he spouts though 😂
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Ya he flew off the radar and has picked up blast gigs for goodness knows how long now. Shocked how young he is to be honest, seems he’s been around forever.
Malema 😂 he’s a dodgy guy, talks some sense though.
Malema 😂 he’s a dodgy guy, talks some sense though.
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I'd have loved to see CSA give Faf a chance in this WC. He has often expressed his desire to win the WC for RSA and if you look at their team, I'd say he could have sneaked in ahead of Rassie, Reeza or may be even De Kock who is in terrible form these days.
I always thought Hashim, Faf and AB deserved to win at least one ICC title... They were too good to not be having an ICC trophy to show, but unfortunately that's how their careers have ended.
I always thought Hashim, Faf and AB deserved to win at least one ICC title... They were too good to not be having an ICC trophy to show, but unfortunately that's how their careers have ended.
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Ya. It’s criminal SA have never won anything, they’ve had some amazing players and some amazing sides but it’s just never happened for them. Faf and AB had one last rodeo in them I’d think. That’s cricket for you though hey?
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Quotas have really destroyed South African sport, so much to the extent that they are now World Champions in both Rugby and Cricket.
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> eugene wrote: ↑Sat Jun 14, 2025 10:46 pm Quotas have really destroyed South African sport, so much to the extent that they are now World Champions in both Rugby and Cricket.
Can't tell if this sarcasm, but it is not remotely the same thing.
Zim force quotas regardless of talent. The players getting picked for SA are generally worthy of their spot.
Can't tell if this sarcasm, but it is not remotely the same thing.
Zim force quotas regardless of talent. The players getting picked for SA are generally worthy of their spot.
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I don't really believe South Africa has quota players anymore, there isn't anyone in their test xi that doesn't deserve to be there.
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SA’s average over the course of the year rather than a set number of players every game is far more sensible. They can play who they want when they need a result and make up the numbers to hit the targets in less important games. Anyone operating a quota system should be following that model
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Yes, it has worked out. Perhaps we'll see an all-African XI against Zimbabwe?
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> Pat_Bee wrote: ↑Sun Jun 15, 2025 6:33 am SA’s average over the course of the year rather than a set number of players every game is far more sensible. They can play who they want when they need a result and make up the numbers to hit the targets in less important games. Anyone operating a quota system should be following that model
Same thing that ZC thought they would get a positive result against New Zealand in the 2nd Test..
Same thing that ZC thought they would get a positive result against New Zealand in the 2nd Test..
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> Mueddie28 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 18, 2025 4:24 am Pat_Bee wrote: ↑Sun Jun 15, 2025 6:33 am SA’s average over the course of the year rather than a set number of players every game is far more sensible. They can play who they want when they need a result and make up the numbers to hit the targets in less important games. Anyone operating a quota system should be following that model Same thing that ZC thought they would get a positive result against New Zealand in the 2nd Test..
It’s not the same thing at all ZC don’t have a quota system
It’s not the same thing at all ZC don’t have a quota system
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What a win for South Africa in Kolkata. Always good to see India's pitch antics backfire.
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