I know this is for ZC only but I wanted other people opinion on the shambolic performance of South Africa.
Apparently they now have to field 7 players of colour in the side, with three being black African.
Ngidi, Bavuma and Rabada are all there, yet both the Hendricks make the sides. Two of the most over rated cricketers and blatant quota selections ever.
You have Jannaman Malan and Kyle Verryene in the squad who can’t get a game, yet they have to select inferior players based on race.
I actually think this might be the end of a competitive South Africa cricket team. I don’t see how they can compete when they play cricketers like Hendricks and, because of politics, have to ignore guys like Coetzee, Muelder and Malan.
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jward wrote: ↑Sat Dec 05, 2020 9:23 pm
ZIMDOGGY wrote: ↑Sat Dec 05, 2020 8:47 am
200% ZC could buy their way to international competitiveness
Buy two openers, a spinner and a fast bowler and we push top 5.
For me I would throw money at ballance, Markram and Welch and that Melton kid
Believe me, ZC has no money to throw! They can't even pay their own employees; they are two months behind with the salaries once again!
Fuckin hell
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jward wrote: ↑Sat Dec 05, 2020 9:23 pm
Believe me, ZC has no money to throw! They can't even pay their own employees; they are two months behind with the salaries once again!
Oh look, ZC are messing up again. Who could have guessed this....*shocked pickachu face*
As for the Ballance issue, if ZC was a proper run ship, I don't see why Ballance is out of the realms of possibility. He definitely isn't featuring for England so why would the opportunity of International cricket and being closer to his family not be appealing.
Markram is probably more a far fetched situation. SA are just shooting themselves in the foot with these quotas and issues. Do the quotas exist in all sports or just ones in which white players tend to be good at? NZ is an attractive opportunity because they have a well functioning government and the lifestyle is quite chilled and laid back. It offers a similar wildlife lifestyle that Africa has without all the dramas of snakes, crocodiles and the fifty million other things trying to kill you in Australia. NZC is well run and has a good structure and everyone loves them. You would not have as big a talent pool to compete with and not have to deal with the dramas that comes from African colonialism, and English right wing lashings.
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We're yet to establish whether our $9m per annum has been restored or we are still on $5m.
These delays to the start of the franchise would indicate they're stalling until another tranche is paid to us.
Even 5m is a lot of money to burn in a year that has seen so little cricket.
Even subjugated employees will get jumpy if they don't see salaries by Xmas. Maybe that's their way of getting out of the customary 13th cheque- pay 2 months due in one go by the 20th of Dec. Dec/Jan is a big issue in Zim. People want to be able to travel to their kamusha (traditional home) and then come Jan school fees are required.
I see another loan being negotiated.
Are they behind on all salaries?
Once again the weather forecast is looking like daily rain for the next few weeks! !! We desperately need rain in Harare, loads of it. The water tables and dams are dry and we probably now have close on 4 million people living in a city that was designed for 800000. Much of Harare cannot access the municipal water and those that can, drink it at their peril without boiling and filtering it.
Bulawayo I believe has had plenty of rain.
It would be a minor miracle to get in 4 consecutive days of cricket.
These delays to the start of the franchise would indicate they're stalling until another tranche is paid to us.
Even 5m is a lot of money to burn in a year that has seen so little cricket.
Even subjugated employees will get jumpy if they don't see salaries by Xmas. Maybe that's their way of getting out of the customary 13th cheque- pay 2 months due in one go by the 20th of Dec. Dec/Jan is a big issue in Zim. People want to be able to travel to their kamusha (traditional home) and then come Jan school fees are required.
I see another loan being negotiated.
Are they behind on all salaries?
Once again the weather forecast is looking like daily rain for the next few weeks! !! We desperately need rain in Harare, loads of it. The water tables and dams are dry and we probably now have close on 4 million people living in a city that was designed for 800000. Much of Harare cannot access the municipal water and those that can, drink it at their peril without boiling and filtering it.
Bulawayo I believe has had plenty of rain.
It would be a minor miracle to get in 4 consecutive days of cricket.
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I would rather the ICC keep funding them like this until they get it right than to give them all the money at once. We have been there before. This is a better battle than the 20 million they have had to clear in debts
I am assuming it should go back to 9 if they did clear their debts but nobody is talking about COVID possibly affecting those payments. Surely the ICC has been affected too
I am assuming it should go back to 9 if they did clear their debts but nobody is talking about COVID possibly affecting those payments. Surely the ICC has been affected too
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Well then there's serious miscommunication between ICC and ZC if they're not giving us money to start our domestic season.
If we're getting it in dribs and drabs they should be saying- our season should start in September and it will cost x.
Its now mid December and the big rains are upon us.
I'm almost guaranteeing that we're not going to play much cricket, unless a freak wind blows the ITCZ away. Its right here and its going to rain!!
They posted that ICC guy here before to monitor us and he got sent packing, either with some money jingling in his pocket or with the threat of GBH if he stayed another day.
If we're getting it in dribs and drabs they should be saying- our season should start in September and it will cost x.
Its now mid December and the big rains are upon us.
I'm almost guaranteeing that we're not going to play much cricket, unless a freak wind blows the ITCZ away. Its right here and its going to rain!!
They posted that ICC guy here before to monitor us and he got sent packing, either with some money jingling in his pocket or with the threat of GBH if he stayed another day.
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Looks like today's ODI is cancelled due to a covid breach. News says it was hotel staff
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TapsC2 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 7:32 am
I would rather the ICC keep funding them like this until they get it right than to give them all the money at once. We have been there before. This is a better battle than the 20 million they have had to clear in debts
I am assuming it should go back to 9 if they did clear their debts but nobody is talking about COVID possibly affecting those payments. Surely the ICC has been affected too
Taps where do you think they found $20m USD?
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TapsC2 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 7:32 am
I would rather the ICC keep funding them like this until they get it right than to give them all the money at once. We have been there before. This is a better battle than the 20 million they have had to clear in debts
I am assuming it should go back to 9 if they did clear their debts but nobody is talking about COVID possibly affecting those payments. Surely the ICC has been affected too
Isn't that an admission that ZC are unable to govern and manage cricket in Zimbabwe?
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Another ODI has been cancelled in SA. Shocking that this has been allowed to happen.
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If staff haven't paid and we aren't playing cricket, what is the money being spent on exactly?
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Googly wrote: ↑Tue Dec 08, 2020 7:21 am
https://mumbaimirror.indiatimes.com/spo ... 373256.cms
Why would countries like Scotland, Afghanistan and Malaysia support bi-lateral cricket?
More ICC events means more money goes to the big sides especially as the proposed extra event is a 6 team Champions Trophy. The money would just stay with big boys who lose nothing regardless of who took control. At least thats my understanding of it.
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Covid has to have affected the ICC revenues. If they don't have a buffer there's trouble looming. If they reduce everyone's handouts pro rata then worthy sides like Scotland, Netherlands, Ireland and Afghanistan are really going to be under the pump. Behind the scenes they must be complaining bitterly about the money that comes our way.
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eugene wrote: ↑Sat Dec 05, 2020 9:28 pm
jward wrote: ↑Sat Dec 05, 2020 9:23 pm
ZIMDOGGY wrote: ↑Sat Dec 05, 2020 8:47 am
200% ZC could buy their way to international competitiveness
Buy two openers, a spinner and a fast bowler and we push top 5.
For me I would throw money at ballance, Markram and Welch and that Melton kid
Believe me, ZC has no money to throw! They can't even pay their own employees; they are two months behind with the salaries once again!
How are ZC out of money again? Haven't all the loans been paid off?
The last I heard was they have 'only' 1 million left to pay off. Then there is the massive cut in ICC funding from $9m to $5m per year. (There are probably other reasons as well ...)
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So if they paid $1,000,000 off right away that still leaves them with $4,000,000. That still seems like a lot of money to run cricket in Zimbabwe.
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eugene wrote: ↑Fri Dec 11, 2020 1:10 am
So if they paid $1,000,000 off right away that still leaves them with $4,000,000. That still seems like a lot of money to run cricket in Zimbabwe.
I'm just curious as to how much money everyone thinks is "enough" for any admin to run the game decently in the country...
Can one make a list of all the genuine expenditures the admin has including all the salaries, ground maintenance, development programs etc.? I know this will turn into a slugfest of how the admin are filling their coffers etc. but we can at least attempt to figure out what the expenditures are...
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CrimsonAvenger wrote: ↑Fri Dec 11, 2020 1:18 am
I'm just curious as to how much money everyone thinks is "enough" for any admin to run the game decently in the country...
Can one make a list of all the genuine expenditures the admin has including all the salaries, ground maintenance, development programs etc.? I know this will turn into a slugfest of how the admin are filling their coffers etc. but we can at least attempt to figure out what the expenditures are...
I think it depends on what exactly ZC are funding. So we know for certain they funded the NPL and they need to fund the Logan Cup, but how many staff are on their books and how many groundsmen. Are the groundsmen paid for by the respective clubs or by ZC? Do ZC pay a hiring fee to use the clubs and if so, how much? Are they paying rent for their offices? Off the bat, these are probably taking a big chunk of money and that doesn't sound about right.
There could be other expenses such as vehicles and hiring venues for events, which if i'm not mistaken was something we did not pay for before (pre 2006) due to the sponsorships we had.
Then you have of course players who need to be paid. Centrally contracted players would be ZC paid surely, but then are ZC paying for all the domestic players on a list or are they paid for by the individual associations as they should be.
I'm sure are other things I am missing out on such as broadcasters and game day staff. If ZC is paying for ALL of this, then the money we are getting is not enough and the structure is completely messed up and one that ZC is failing to manage and structure correctly.
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zimbos_05 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 11, 2020 4:32 am
CrimsonAvenger wrote: ↑Fri Dec 11, 2020 1:18 am
I'm just curious as to how much money everyone thinks is "enough" for any admin to run the game decently in the country...
Can one make a list of all the genuine expenditures the admin has including all the salaries, ground maintenance, development programs etc.? I know this will turn into a slugfest of how the admin are filling their coffers etc. but we can at least attempt to figure out what the expenditures are...
I think it depends on what exactly ZC are funding. So we know for certain they funded the NPL and they need to fund the Logan Cup, but how many staff are on their books and how many groundsmen. Are the groundsmen paid for by the respective clubs or by ZC? Do ZC pay a hiring fee to use the clubs and if so, how much? Are they paying rent for their offices? Off the bat, these are probably taking a big chunk of money and that doesn't sound about right.
There could be other expenses such as vehicles and hiring venues for events, which if i'm not mistaken was something we did not pay for before (pre 2006) due to the sponsorships we had.
Then you have of course players who need to be paid. Centrally contracted players would be ZC paid surely, but then are ZC paying for all the domestic players on a list or are they paid for by the individual associations as they should be.
I'm sure are other things I am missing out on such as broadcasters and game day staff. If ZC is paying for ALL of this, then the money we are getting is not enough and the structure is completely messed up and one that ZC is failing to manage and structure correctly.
Of course ZC would pay for all of this, where would the franchises be getting revenue from?
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There's the small matter of our funding being halved. Our board cost us $4 million dollars, the difference between sinking and swimming. I never hear a single person in Zim even mentioning it. It would be an interesting vote amongst the people involved in cricket here.
Would you vote for a new board and $9m or are you happy with the existing one and $5m?
The results would be surprising.
Would you vote for a new board and $9m or are you happy with the existing one and $5m?
The results would be surprising.
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Why was the funding cut ? Does anybody know? Problem unlike other countries ZC has to pay for everything for it to work. There aren’t that many sponsors around. 5 million isn’t enough.
I thought the cut was for a year. Presumably to pay off debts we owed. Didn’t think it was permanent
https://news.pindula.co.zw/2020/02/03/z ... or-a-year/
I thought the cut was for a year. Presumably to pay off debts we owed. Didn’t think it was permanent
https://news.pindula.co.zw/2020/02/03/z ... or-a-year/
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Zimco wrote: ↑Fri Dec 11, 2020 4:37 am
Of course ZC would pay for all of this, where would the franchises be getting revenue from?
Well thats a problem then because the franchises should really be operating as themselves and not be reliant on ZC. I think a lot of the franchise guys are ZC guys and therefore just run the franchise and take money from ZC. Mates giving to mates kind of thing as opposed to a proper functioning system where the franchises look after themselves and feed into ZC.
Franchises would get revenue like any other club or domestic side. Sponsors, match income, tv revenue, kit sales etc....
Googly wrote: ↑Fri Dec 11, 2020 6:39 am
Would you vote for a new board and $9m or are you happy with the existing one and $5m?
Is this a serious question?
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