I know this is for ZC only but I wanted other people opinion on the shambolic performance of South Africa.
Apparently they now have to field 7 players of colour in the side, with three being black African.
Ngidi, Bavuma and Rabada are all there, yet both the Hendricks make the sides. Two of the most over rated cricketers and blatant quota selections ever.
You have Jannaman Malan and Kyle Verryene in the squad who can’t get a game, yet they have to select inferior players based on race.
I actually think this might be the end of a competitive South Africa cricket team. I don’t see how they can compete when they play cricketers like Hendricks and, because of politics, have to ignore guys like Coetzee, Muelder and Malan.
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Yeah, in an all-black test XI - I feel there will be a lot of debutants for SA. Based on current form, I'd pick Maunze to debut with Kaitano up top and move Musakanda down. Taking Maharaj out from their test XI definitely helps us :). We can probably go with:
Kaitano
Maunze (or Makoni or Kasuza or someone)
Shumba
Madhevere
Chakabva
Musakanda
Tiripano / Jongwe ?
Masakadza
Muzarabani
Ngarava
Nyauchi
Another option is to pick Mayavo as keeper so that Chakabva can play as specialist batsman. But that did not fill me with a lot of confidence.
Kaitano
Maunze (or Makoni or Kasuza or someone)
Shumba
Madhevere
Chakabva
Musakanda
Tiripano / Jongwe ?
Masakadza
Muzarabani
Ngarava
Nyauchi
Another option is to pick Mayavo as keeper so that Chakabva can play as specialist batsman. But that did not fill me with a lot of confidence.
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Just noticed South Africa have selected Wayne Parnell for their upcoming series against the Netherlands. No comeback for Rossouw though.
But is this a sign of things to come? Clearly means they are ok to take the Kolpak's back into the national setup which is absolutely fantastic news for South African cricketm
This could mean possible comebacks for Abbott, Olivier, Rossouw, Harmer.
But is this a sign of things to come? Clearly means they are ok to take the Kolpak's back into the national setup which is absolutely fantastic news for South African cricketm
This could mean possible comebacks for Abbott, Olivier, Rossouw, Harmer.
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They need to get Harmer in there for sure. World class test spinner at the ready
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ShareThere is little to no chance that Harmer will ever be selected imo, Maharaj is a wonderful spinner AND helps the quota so will always be selected as the primary spinner provided he is fit. Second to him is George Linde who while i'd much rather see Harmer, Boucher is very keen on and he has done pretty well in the limited opportunities he has been given.
Roussouw I thought would get a call up against the Netherlands to add some experience to what was expected to be a young SA side but they seem to have decided that Miller offers enough international batting experience to to the lineup which is slightly disappointing but not unexpected i guess.
Olivier i doubt will ever be selected again because of the manner in which he "rebelled" against CSA who are more petty than ZC these days. By rejecting their central contract and signing the Kolpak deal and then publically declaring that he wanted to qualify for England he pretty much ended all chance of ever playing again and i dont think CSA will come back to him despite his numbers being outstanding.
Abbott is just a bit old to be getting a recall now sadly and his glory days are gone.
However who i am very disappointed they didnt select was David Bedingham who scored runs for fun throughout the English summer and thought this was the absolute golden opportunity to see what he can do in national colours.
Parnell being selected is an absolute mind boggler for me. He had a shocking English summer getting carted for fun almost every game he played - including getting hit for over 7 an over against Sussex who didnt win a game all year, did nothing in the provincial T20 of any note and is 32. This is the perfect opportunity to get Wiaan Mulder involved in the ODI stuff as a genuine allrounder but what do i know eh.
Roussouw I thought would get a call up against the Netherlands to add some experience to what was expected to be a young SA side but they seem to have decided that Miller offers enough international batting experience to to the lineup which is slightly disappointing but not unexpected i guess.
Olivier i doubt will ever be selected again because of the manner in which he "rebelled" against CSA who are more petty than ZC these days. By rejecting their central contract and signing the Kolpak deal and then publically declaring that he wanted to qualify for England he pretty much ended all chance of ever playing again and i dont think CSA will come back to him despite his numbers being outstanding.
Abbott is just a bit old to be getting a recall now sadly and his glory days are gone.
However who i am very disappointed they didnt select was David Bedingham who scored runs for fun throughout the English summer and thought this was the absolute golden opportunity to see what he can do in national colours.
Parnell being selected is an absolute mind boggler for me. He had a shocking English summer getting carted for fun almost every game he played - including getting hit for over 7 an over against Sussex who didnt win a game all year, did nothing in the provincial T20 of any note and is 32. This is the perfect opportunity to get Wiaan Mulder involved in the ODI stuff as a genuine allrounder but what do i know eh.
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Wiaan Mulder, Gerald Coetzee, Corbin Bosch are all better options than Parnell, plus he's a horrible bloke.
Was hoping Marco Jansen or Nandre Burger would get a shot
Was hoping Marco Jansen or Nandre Burger would get a shot
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Pieter Malan & Tony Zorzi have got some class, might be now in contention for selection in test series against India
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Ryan Rickelton is highly spoken about. Is he the one to look out for folks?
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sam_ahm wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 6:34 am
Ryan Rickelton is highly spoken about. Is he the one to look out for folks?
Not really
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* Not the team per ser but the batsmen. The seam bowlers are world class
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Tinah09 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 06, 2022 9:27 am
secretzimbo wrote: ↑Thu Jan 06, 2022 9:10 am
Tinah09 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 06, 2022 8:58 am
This critique will be valid if he was the worst batsman in the SA team, based on either career average or the ongoing test match, he is not. In fact Elgar is the only batsman who has outperformed him. When I hear the degrading term “quota player” I expect to see an underserving, pathetic black cricket surrounded by white cricketing excellence, letting the team down, putting up the worst performances in the team. I’m no Themba fan, but he not that, he’s one of two SA cricketers that has managed to score 50+ in the ongoing test. The likes of van Dussen, Mulder haven’t done anything of note, yet for some reason Themba is the undeserving one?? How does that work?
I thought you were just calling him a failure and average? I'm not sure I follow whether you are attacking or defending him?
He's good enough to not be a quota player. But at the end of the day, he is one. He knows it. That's why he's never reached his potential.
If race wasn't a thing he'd have had to fight much harder to get into the team in the first place and to retain his place amongst very tough competition. And I think he is talented enough to be able to. He's got really good ability to have genuinely won a place in the team.
But he's never had to fight. So he muddles along and relaxes. Because of the quota.
I'm praising Temba. I'm criticising the system.
I said he is not a very good player (ie average at best) and people making excuses for him are deluding themselves. But due to the fact that he’s playing for arguably the worst SA team in decades, he fits in well. In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king. If Themba was in the Proteas team during the Kallis, Amla, AB, Smith, Prince etc era, then he would stick out like a sore thumb and a case could be made for calling him a transformation/quota player. But in this current proteas team who can’t score a century at home to save their lives, he’s the AB de Villiers of the team. Which is an indictment on how s***ty this Proteas team is
Fair enough honestly. What I dont understand is how Temba with such a low first class average does similarly to his contemporaries who have higher averages
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My point on Maharaj making it for 'Transformation' was only in relation to this particular game against India. Overall he absolutely deserves to be in the team and is a much better option than George Linde.
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search up crichd, crictime or webcric. One of them should work hopefully for you. I`m using kayo right now though :(
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slcricfan1 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 06, 2022 9:50 am
Tinah09 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 06, 2022 9:27 am
secretzimbo wrote: ↑Thu Jan 06, 2022 9:10 am
I thought you were just calling him a failure and average? I'm not sure I follow whether you are attacking or defending him?
He's good enough to not be a quota player. But at the end of the day, he is one. He knows it. That's why he's never reached his potential.
If race wasn't a thing he'd have had to fight much harder to get into the team in the first place and to retain his place amongst very tough competition. And I think he is talented enough to be able to. He's got really good ability to have genuinely won a place in the team.
But he's never had to fight. So he muddles along and relaxes. Because of the quota.
I'm praising Temba. I'm criticising the system.
I said he is not a very good player (ie average at best) and people making excuses for him are deluding themselves. But due to the fact that he’s playing for arguably the worst SA team in decades, he fits in well. In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king. If Themba was in the Proteas team during the Kallis, Amla, AB, Smith, Prince etc era, then he would stick out like a sore thumb and a case could be made for calling him a transformation/quota player. But in this current proteas team who can’t score a century at home to save their lives, he’s the AB de Villiers of the team. Which is an indictment on how s***ty this Proteas team is
Fair enough honestly. What I dont understand is how Temba with such a low first class average does similarly to his contemporaries who have higher averages
Without researching it, it’s probably the same reason Craig Ervine rarely fires.
When you’re cemented in the national team, domestic is a big step below and becomes a practice run they don’t get gee’d up for.
Couple that with his likely acceleration into the national team as a quota player, if he performed ok internationally and felt safe then I can see why he would be a fail at the level below.
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ZIMDOGGY wrote: ↑Thu Jan 06, 2022 1:52 pm
slcricfan1 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 06, 2022 9:50 am
Tinah09 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 06, 2022 9:27 am
I said he is not a very good player (ie average at best) and people making excuses for him are deluding themselves. But due to the fact that he’s playing for arguably the worst SA team in decades, he fits in well. In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king. If Themba was in the Proteas team during the Kallis, Amla, AB, Smith, Prince etc era, then he would stick out like a sore thumb and a case could be made for calling him a transformation/quota player. But in this current proteas team who can’t score a century at home to save their lives, he’s the AB de Villiers of the team. Which is an indictment on how s***ty this Proteas team is
Fair enough honestly. What I dont understand is how Temba with such a low first class average does similarly to his contemporaries who have higher averages
Without researching it, it’s probably the same reason Craig Ervine rarely fires.
When you’re cemented in the national team, domestic is a big step below and becomes a practice run they don’t get gee’d up for.
Couple that with his likely acceleration into the national team as a quota player, if he performed ok internationally and felt safe then I can see why he would be a fail at the level below.
Thats an intresting reason yeah
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Wanderers pitch gets better after Day 3. Poor batting from India and Siraj's injury costed the game
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This will go down as one of South Africa's best wins. Sensational stuff. Elgar has played so well in this series, he has raised his game for the big series.
Some of my friends are gutted, they didn't see this coming, although I'm hardly surprised, RSA have always been a tough side to beat at home and they should be fully respected.
Some of my friends are gutted, they didn't see this coming, although I'm hardly surprised, RSA have always been a tough side to beat at home and they should be fully respected.
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Indeed, that was a good win. That short spell by Rabada was the turning point. Interesting that Elgar said they had to fire him up, but how would remain a secret 😂
There was some needle in this game. Other teams have been a bit careful not to sledge the Indians for a while in case they f**k up their IPL chances but that went out the window. The next game will be good viewing, can't wait.
There was some needle in this game. Other teams have been a bit careful not to sledge the Indians for a while in case they f**k up their IPL chances but that went out the window. The next game will be good viewing, can't wait.
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Googly wrote: ↑Thu Jan 06, 2022 6:44 pm
Indeed, that was a good win. That short spell by Rabada was the turning point. Interesting that Elgar said they had to fire him up, but how would remain a secret 😂
There was some needle in this game. Other teams have been a bit careful not to sledge the Indians for a while in case they f**k up their IPL chances but that went out the window. The next game will be good viewing, can't wait.
They used to use harsh words with Steyn apparently
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sam_ahm wrote: ↑Thu Jan 06, 2022 5:28 pm
This will go down as one of South Africa's best wins. Sensational stuff. Elgar has played so well in this series, he has raised his game for the big series.
Some of my friends are gutted, they didn't see this coming, although I'm hardly surprised, RSA have always been a tough side to beat at home and they should be fully respected.
Honestly these South Africans have the talent to be on par w NZ etc. They just havent all clicked yet
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