I know this is for ZC only but I wanted other people opinion on the shambolic performance of South Africa.
Apparently they now have to field 7 players of colour in the side, with three being black African.
Ngidi, Bavuma and Rabada are all there, yet both the Hendricks make the sides. Two of the most over rated cricketers and blatant quota selections ever.
You have Jannaman Malan and Kyle Verryene in the squad who can’t get a game, yet they have to select inferior players based on race.
I actually think this might be the end of a competitive South Africa cricket team. I don’t see how they can compete when they play cricketers like Hendricks and, because of politics, have to ignore guys like Coetzee, Muelder and Malan.
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I am not sure of the right thing really. He could obviously have complied and not made it an issue.
Symbols have some value so I am not against the gesture on some level although it does seem confused.
I guess the compulsion aspect of it just makes it feel cheap.
When someone does something genuine as a statement against oppression we can applaud.
When committees mandate everyone do something as a 'Statement' it can be emptied of much meaning.
I guess there is a time to kneel and a time to stand.
Not sure in this case.
Symbols have some value so I am not against the gesture on some level although it does seem confused.
I guess the compulsion aspect of it just makes it feel cheap.
When someone does something genuine as a statement against oppression we can applaud.
When committees mandate everyone do something as a 'Statement' it can be emptied of much meaning.
I guess there is a time to kneel and a time to stand.
Not sure in this case.
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Googly wrote: ↑Tue Oct 26, 2021 6:04 pm
Ya you're 100% correct, our most tense racial moments are long gone, and as you say that's largely because there are so few of us left that a) the whites that are left largely get along with our fellow countrymen because everyone has learned to relax a lot. b) most of us are just trying to get by and dont have the time or energy to waste time in no win situations and c) there are so few of us we are actually of no consequence, whereas in SA there's still so many whites they're front and centre in everything. The quick solution is to take what they've got and bring them down several notches. It doesn't work and there's ample proof of that but it is inevitable. Everyone suffers except for the 1%.
Is it just SA and WI doing the kneeling and black power salute or are there other teams, or is it when they play SA and WI? Is the kneeling an anti-racist gesture or is it also a gesture of support for BLM? I'm a bit confused.
The actual people who run BLM should all be in jail for many things, but particularly embezzlement, they're world champions, they've stolen tens of millions of donations.
Pommie is a world class brilliant and knowledgeable commentator and I love listening to him, but he did get his foot originally in the door because they were looking for a non white and he ticked every box and they were and are prepared to forget he's not South African. They're still so desperate they make us listen to Ntini. 😂 He does have to sing for his supper, so a strong comment like that guarantees his future. He forgets that black South Africans regularly kill black Zimbabweans that they perceive to have taken their jobs, but you won't hear him speaking out strongly about that. 😂 Why not have a game where everyone kneels for the 4000 white farmers butchered like animals in the last few years?
Same as a few of the players, they're not there by merit so are they kneeling for more favours or are they actually silently thanking their Gods that they're there because of blatant racism and willing it to continue.
Everyone seems to be forgetting that De Kock is not categorised as white. 😂 😂
Maybe we need a Coloured Lives Matter grovelling session?
I agree he should have just knelt and got on with it, this nonsense would blow over, but his actions are bringing it front and centre and its feigned indignation because he's giving it centre stage instead of slamming it into the rubbish bin where it belongs.
Is De Kock coloured? I tried searching it up but I havent found anything
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Ya in their original 5 pure black, 4 half black with some brown and a couple of semi-white (I'm not sure there are too many full white in SA, most have a trace of colour in their ancestry, particularly the Afrikaaners) QDK was originally classified as not white, but I can't find it either anymore, maybe it was taken down.
All the whites are frantically looking for some black ancestry 😂 Its like the Kiwi's, the number of rugby players who claim to have Maori ancestry is amusing.
The irony is that they're still classifying. It's apartheid all over again, except now they're discriminating against anyone who's not pure black. Pure black has become the pure white. People need to wake up to what's going on there.
Whilst all these race issues simmer nobody talks about ongoing tribal issues- the Ndebele Shona issue and how hostile the Zulus are to anyone else. Of course these are broad generalisations, but it's there, but it's as if it's not for public consumption. Tribal issues are massive throughout Africa, in politics the dominant tribe gets all the political posts and everyone else is marginalised, but again nobody talks about that. Race and transgender are the hot topics.
One can't help but think of the Flower Olonga black armband protest. They were the only two that did it and probably for different reasons, but they weren't the only two that ultimately walked out, but clearly they were the only ones up for protesting whilst most of the team felt the same way.
I'm watching with interest this Dave Chapelle transgender debacle. "They're" trying to cancel him, but no-one knows exactly who "they" are. He's putting up a good fight, he's bloody awesome. Try and be transgender and/or gay in black Africa, Russia and various other places, it won't go well for you, but nobody is trying to cancel them. "They" pick the fights they can win.
The QDK is simple- just ask him, let him issue a public statement, but of course the most you'll get is some watered down version of exactly what's going on. Maybe he's p**sed off that he's being made to do it. 😂 In apartheid South Africa, if he has apparent black ancestry, he'd have been marginalised like D'Olivera. Maybe he's protesting against the pure blackness. They're pushing for a black Ayrian race, now where have we seen that before?
If you're coloured you're really f***ed, nobody loves you 😂 😂 Its a disgrace, we need to move on.
If you make someone do something against their will and then pat yourself on the back that everyone is onboard it's meaningless, but of course that's irrelevant.
All the whites are frantically looking for some black ancestry 😂 Its like the Kiwi's, the number of rugby players who claim to have Maori ancestry is amusing.
The irony is that they're still classifying. It's apartheid all over again, except now they're discriminating against anyone who's not pure black. Pure black has become the pure white. People need to wake up to what's going on there.
Whilst all these race issues simmer nobody talks about ongoing tribal issues- the Ndebele Shona issue and how hostile the Zulus are to anyone else. Of course these are broad generalisations, but it's there, but it's as if it's not for public consumption. Tribal issues are massive throughout Africa, in politics the dominant tribe gets all the political posts and everyone else is marginalised, but again nobody talks about that. Race and transgender are the hot topics.
One can't help but think of the Flower Olonga black armband protest. They were the only two that did it and probably for different reasons, but they weren't the only two that ultimately walked out, but clearly they were the only ones up for protesting whilst most of the team felt the same way.
I'm watching with interest this Dave Chapelle transgender debacle. "They're" trying to cancel him, but no-one knows exactly who "they" are. He's putting up a good fight, he's bloody awesome. Try and be transgender and/or gay in black Africa, Russia and various other places, it won't go well for you, but nobody is trying to cancel them. "They" pick the fights they can win.
The QDK is simple- just ask him, let him issue a public statement, but of course the most you'll get is some watered down version of exactly what's going on. Maybe he's p**sed off that he's being made to do it. 😂 In apartheid South Africa, if he has apparent black ancestry, he'd have been marginalised like D'Olivera. Maybe he's protesting against the pure blackness. They're pushing for a black Ayrian race, now where have we seen that before?
If you're coloured you're really f***ed, nobody loves you 😂 😂 Its a disgrace, we need to move on.
If you make someone do something against their will and then pat yourself on the back that everyone is onboard it's meaningless, but of course that's irrelevant.
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Jemisi wrote: ↑Tue Oct 26, 2021 11:39 pm
I am not sure of the right thing really. He could obviously have complied and not made it an issue.
Symbols have some value so I am not against the gesture on some level although it does seem confused.
I guess the compulsion aspect of it just makes it feel cheap.
When someone does something genuine as a statement against oppression we can applaud.
When committees mandate everyone do something as a 'Statement' it can be emptied of much meaning.
I guess there is a time to kneel and a time to stand.
Not sure in this case.
I feel CSAs hand was forced. There was uproar that an African nation could not have unity within their team, yet other nations were unified in their stance.
There's obviously rifts within Africa along racial divides, and it needs to be fixed, but CSA were compelled to act or continue to face ridicule and issues back home.
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Oh yeah, there's pressure on them too.
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I see QDK has kissed and made up and made an unequivocal apology for offending everybody.
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https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/sout ... ee-1285649
Googly yeah you were half right says his step mom is black and hence his half-sisters are coloured
Googly yeah you were half right says his step mom is black and hence his half-sisters are coloured
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Aaah no, I'm pretty sure there's more to it than that, that's half the story.
His folks are from Masvingo or Fort Victoria as it used to be called.
His folks are from Masvingo or Fort Victoria as it used to be called.
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Very impressed with Temba Bavuma - handled the whole issue well. Refused to condemn QDK in any way - said he's still one of the boys and we'll have a chat. Kept it calm and diplomatic and respected QDK's right to refuse. Very well handled. QKD's comments after the apology , praising Bavuma and saying he is a "flipping brilliant captain" show what a good job he did in keeping the side together.
Lets hope they can put it all behind them and go out and play some awesome cricket. Might have the effect of motivating them to get over their world cup jitters and do something amazing...
Very impressed with Temba Bavuma - handled the whole issue well. Refused to condemn QDK in any way - said he's still one of the boys and we'll have a chat. Kept it calm and diplomatic and respected QDK's right to refuse. Very well handled. QKD's comments after the apology , praising Bavuma and saying he is a "flipping brilliant captain" show what a good job he did in keeping the side together.
Lets hope they can put it all behind them and go out and play some awesome cricket. Might have the effect of motivating them to get over their world cup jitters and do something amazing...
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Googly wrote: ↑Thu Oct 28, 2021 12:48 pm
Aaah no, I'm pretty sure there's more to it than that, that's half the story.
His folks are from Masvingo or Fort Victoria as it used to be called.
Wait so QDK could have/could play for Zim!?
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PieChucker wrote: ↑Thu Oct 28, 2021 2:18 pm
Tiny guy throws big shadow.
Very impressed with Temba Bavuma - handled the whole issue well. Refused to condemn QDK in any way - said he's still one of the boys and we'll have a chat. Kept it calm and diplomatic and respected QDK's right to refuse. Very well handled. QKD's comments after the apology , praising Bavuma and saying he is a "flipping brilliant captain" show what a good job he did in keeping the side together.
Lets hope they can put it all behind them and go out and play some awesome cricket. Might have the effect of motivating them to get over their world cup jitters and do something amazing...
Being a smart talker must come with all the s**t he cops
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You'd be amazed at how many SA cricketers have Zim ancestry, either parents or grandparents, certainly enough to walk in and claim a passport.
Ya Bavuma handled that very well and speaks brilliantly.
Ya Bavuma handled that very well and speaks brilliantly.
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Googly wrote: ↑Thu Oct 28, 2021 12:48 pm
Aaah no, I'm pretty sure there's more to it than that, that's half the story.
His folks are from Masvingo or Fort Victoria as it used to be called.
Poor b*****ds 😂 Imagine being from Masvingo 😂
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Glad it was all resolved without much delay or consequence. Bavuma's stock has risen here. Ultimately QDK is pretty young and he probably realised giving up his international career over something so trivial at such a young age really would have been ridiculous. Glad it's all sorted.
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Just a curious thought after the recent talk of quotas, transformation etc. would an all black current Zim XI beat an all black current SA XI? I don't know enough of the SA domestic scene but on paper I'm pretty sure we would win. Their pace attack would be good obviously. Just an interesting thought.
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secretzimbo wrote: ↑Mon Nov 01, 2021 6:14 pm
Just a curious thought after the recent talk of quotas, transformation etc. would an all black current Zim XI beat an all black current SA XI? I don't know enough of the SA domestic scene but on paper I'm pretty sure we would win. Their pace attack would be good obviously. Just an interesting thought.
Aside from Bavuma are there any decent black batsmen floating in the domestic setup? Bowling wise they'd be better then us but I think we'd have the edge in batting. Would be a good contest though
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secretzimbo wrote: ↑Mon Nov 01, 2021 6:14 pm
Just a curious thought after the recent talk of quotas, transformation etc. would an all black current Zim XI beat an all black current SA XI? I don't know enough of the SA domestic scene but on paper I'm pretty sure we would win. Their pace attack would be good obviously. Just an interesting thought.
If we are looking at a non-white Zim Test XI as of today, with no Myers, this is what it might look like?
Kaitano
Musakanda
Shumba
Raza
Chakabva
Madhevere
Tiripano / Jongwe?
Masakadza
Muzarabani
Ngarava
Nyauchi
Did I miss someone? Every bowler is one batting spot too high probably. Also, no. 7 could do with a genuine batsman, but there is no one knocking on the doors and we might do better with Tiripano or Jongwe there.
I haven't followed SA enough of late to come up with their test XI, but Rabada, Maharaj and Ngidi would be significantly ahead of our bowling, despite us being decent. We must be better off with the bat for sure.
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I think I’d sacrifice Raza and make it blacks only , so that they can’t have Maharaj Shamsi and some of their Asian batters. If we include them they’d probably win but if we went black only I think it’d be a Zim victory!
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