I know this is for ZC only but I wanted other people opinion on the shambolic performance of South Africa.
Apparently they now have to field 7 players of colour in the side, with three being black African.
Ngidi, Bavuma and Rabada are all there, yet both the Hendricks make the sides. Two of the most over rated cricketers and blatant quota selections ever.
You have Jannaman Malan and Kyle Verryene in the squad who can’t get a game, yet they have to select inferior players based on race.
I actually think this might be the end of a competitive South Africa cricket team. I don’t see how they can compete when they play cricketers like Hendricks and, because of politics, have to ignore guys like Coetzee, Muelder and Malan.
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sloandog wrote: ↑Wed Apr 14, 2021 2:32 pm
Zimco wrote: ↑Wed Apr 14, 2021 2:31 pm
Yeah they have depth, all I'm saying is they should be doing this well against Pakistan and generally. They are a premier side. there is a massive hole in their pipeline and structure, which affects their end product.
Yea they should be beating Pakistan.
They've unearned three gems here in Malan, Verreyne and the more established Markram. LINDE is another
Is linde black brown or coloured?
Because ‘Linde chocolate’ or ‘Linde Caramel’ is at the crease is funny.
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Verreynne won't hang around for long in South African set up if he is going to have to wait for ages to get a game despite being, probably, the best batsman in the squad.
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sam_ahm wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 12:16 pm
Verreynne won't hang around for long in South African set up if he is going to have to wait for ages to get a game despite being, probably, the best batsman in the squad.
Its a joke. What a talented bloke he is
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sloandog wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 1:24 pm
He's a gun wicket keeper too
Yes, he could have even got a game ahead of Klaseen.
They go in with 4 specialist batsmen and get bowled out for 144. Don't you think Boucher is overrated as a coach? Haven't seen him do anything special until now, results aren't good either and his team selection and team combination is pathetic at times.
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sam_ahm wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 2:24 pm
sloandog wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 1:24 pm
He's a gun wicket keeper too
Yes, he could have even got a game ahead of Klaseen.
They go in with 4 specialist batsmen and get bowled out for 144. Don't you think Boucher is overrated as a coach? Haven't seen him do anything special until now, results aren't good either and his team selection and team combination is pathetic at times.
Why should he get a game ahead of Klaassen? What the fudge is Phehlukwayo doing in the team if he's not bowling?
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franco vazquez wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 2:29 pm
sam_ahm wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 2:24 pm
sloandog wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 1:24 pm
He's a gun wicket keeper too
Yes, he could have even got a game ahead of Klaseen.
They go in with 4 specialist batsmen and get bowled out for 144. Don't you think Boucher is overrated as a coach? Haven't seen him do anything special until now, results aren't good either and his team selection and team combination is pathetic at times.
Why should he get a game ahead of Klaassen? What the fudge is Phehlukwayo doing in the team if he's not bowling?
They won't compromise on transformation targets, they cannot as it is a mandate. At least rotate the white players so that they keep everyone in the frame.
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Okay so let's have a look at what can be taken away from this series.
The coach/selectors:
For me, Mark Boucher has been far from good enough here as the coach. I appreciate he may not have as much pull as other coaches around the world (due to this ridiculous system), but his plans seem overwhelmingly uninspiring. Charl Langaveldt and Justin Ontong should not be in their positions full stop, as they didn't have a particularly fledgling career themselves. I find it so hypocritical when I see a coach of their background giving advice to young players who have oodles more talent than they ever had. The system could have Alan Donald/Ntini as the bowling coach, Jacques Kallis as the batting coach (not some ridiculous consulting role), Johnny Rhodes as fielding coach and Paul Adams as the spin bowling coach. Gary Kisrsten or Kepler Wessels incharge of this side would make a big difference.
What has Victor Mpitsang done in his career to be in the position of head selector?? Embarrassing.
The team:
1 million times over this side could have had better selected players in the starting XI.
Centrally contracted Beaurin Hendricks :oops: should be absolutely nowhere near this side. He bowls no more than 82mph, can't swing it, can't bat and seems to be ridiculously unimaginative when it comes to thinking outside the box. NANDRE BURGER should be playing.
Sisanda Magala has shown that he has pace but clearly is not fit for anything more than T20 cricket. I know he came back in that second game but Jesus! That over was so poor it didn't even deserve the be seen at club level. You can't have a player like that starting when you have Wiaan Muelder in the squad. What a talent he is! In fact, forget Muelder for a moment. GERALD COETZEE should have been playing in this series, if he was fit of course. He bowls in the mid 140's regularly and he hits a long long ball. Corbin Bosch or even Thando Ntini would have been a better selection than Magala. Atleast the latter two have age on their side and they are sharp!
Pite Van Biljion:
What is going on here, seriously? :( My eyes hurt when I see his name in a South African squad, let alone a starting XI. I don't think I've ever seen a batter look more out of his depth than this man. He's rushed by pace, can't rotate the strike and sadly does not have age on his side. I'm not slating his person at all. I've heard he works hard and is a good team man, but when you have a gun like Kyle Verreyne in the squad sitting and not playing, questions need to be asked as to why he was ever even included. Not good enough and the selectors (what a joke) need to move on.
Wiaan Lubbe:
Slogger, at best. Not good enough and showed a complete disregard for his wicket which p**sed me off. I don't think I saw a single off side shot. Move on CSA.
If you want a talented, young left handed batter, get De Zorzi in there or Ryan Rickleton. They are both so talented and hit the ball incredibly hard. In fact, De Zorzi could play a big part in the full ODI side he's that good.
South African cricket is not going to improve is the above players are involved. Period. They have a strong, functioning system and yet they manage to trip over the guns and select the duds. So incredibly dissaponting as this could have been a series where young players were involved, not FC stalwarts getting a deserved shot at national selection.
Keegan Peterson
De Zorzi
Thando Ntini
Gerald Coetzee
Jannaman Malan
Aiden Markram
Marco Jansen
Sipamla (tests)
Kyle Verreyne
Reynard Van Tonder
Names to either include now or in the next 12 months.
The coach/selectors:
For me, Mark Boucher has been far from good enough here as the coach. I appreciate he may not have as much pull as other coaches around the world (due to this ridiculous system), but his plans seem overwhelmingly uninspiring. Charl Langaveldt and Justin Ontong should not be in their positions full stop, as they didn't have a particularly fledgling career themselves. I find it so hypocritical when I see a coach of their background giving advice to young players who have oodles more talent than they ever had. The system could have Alan Donald/Ntini as the bowling coach, Jacques Kallis as the batting coach (not some ridiculous consulting role), Johnny Rhodes as fielding coach and Paul Adams as the spin bowling coach. Gary Kisrsten or Kepler Wessels incharge of this side would make a big difference.
What has Victor Mpitsang done in his career to be in the position of head selector?? Embarrassing.
The team:
1 million times over this side could have had better selected players in the starting XI.
Centrally contracted Beaurin Hendricks :oops: should be absolutely nowhere near this side. He bowls no more than 82mph, can't swing it, can't bat and seems to be ridiculously unimaginative when it comes to thinking outside the box. NANDRE BURGER should be playing.
Sisanda Magala has shown that he has pace but clearly is not fit for anything more than T20 cricket. I know he came back in that second game but Jesus! That over was so poor it didn't even deserve the be seen at club level. You can't have a player like that starting when you have Wiaan Muelder in the squad. What a talent he is! In fact, forget Muelder for a moment. GERALD COETZEE should have been playing in this series, if he was fit of course. He bowls in the mid 140's regularly and he hits a long long ball. Corbin Bosch or even Thando Ntini would have been a better selection than Magala. Atleast the latter two have age on their side and they are sharp!
Pite Van Biljion:
What is going on here, seriously? :( My eyes hurt when I see his name in a South African squad, let alone a starting XI. I don't think I've ever seen a batter look more out of his depth than this man. He's rushed by pace, can't rotate the strike and sadly does not have age on his side. I'm not slating his person at all. I've heard he works hard and is a good team man, but when you have a gun like Kyle Verreyne in the squad sitting and not playing, questions need to be asked as to why he was ever even included. Not good enough and the selectors (what a joke) need to move on.
Wiaan Lubbe:
Slogger, at best. Not good enough and showed a complete disregard for his wicket which p**sed me off. I don't think I saw a single off side shot. Move on CSA.
If you want a talented, young left handed batter, get De Zorzi in there or Ryan Rickleton. They are both so talented and hit the ball incredibly hard. In fact, De Zorzi could play a big part in the full ODI side he's that good.
South African cricket is not going to improve is the above players are involved. Period. They have a strong, functioning system and yet they manage to trip over the guns and select the duds. So incredibly dissaponting as this could have been a series where young players were involved, not FC stalwarts getting a deserved shot at national selection.
Keegan Peterson
De Zorzi
Thando Ntini
Gerald Coetzee
Jannaman Malan
Aiden Markram
Marco Jansen
Sipamla (tests)
Kyle Verreyne
Reynard Van Tonder
Names to either include now or in the next 12 months.
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Why Keegan Petersen has never been picked ahead of Bavuma in a test is frankly beyond me, i understand why he isnt in any other format but this guy helps with transformation, is a better batsman than Bavuma and is decent in the field. Unless this oak has done some shady stuff behind closed doors i really dont understand it.
Kyle Verreynne could go the way of David Beddingham if the selectors arnt careful. I understand they're looking for a black batsman but this guy is a ready made superstar who has frankly been carrying the Cobras for the past two years with some help from the Malan brothers and George Linde. In my opinion he should replace Faf in the test setup.
My next home SA series test XI provided they're all fit is as follows.
1. Elgar (C)
2. Markram
3. van der Dussen / Raynard van Tonder
4. Verreynne
5. Petersen
6. de Kock (WK)
7. Mulder
8. Maharaj
9. Nortje
10. Rabada
11. Ngidi
4 out of 11 for transformation targets which is well below unfortunately but thankfully the quota extends to the whole year overall including all formats so what i think Boucher is doing is blooding some of the promising black and coloured players in the T20Is which is what SA have always done in order to fulfill these targets.
If transformation for a test team has to be obliged then its a much weaker best XI but my best XI would be
1. Elgar (C)
2. Markram
3. Hamza
4. Petersen
5. Bavuma
6. de Kock (WK)
7. Mulder
8. Maharaj
9. Nortje
10. Rabada
11. Ngidi
Sorry that this was abit rambly but thought an SA expat opinion might be somewhat valued
Why Keegan Petersen has never been picked ahead of Bavuma in a test is frankly beyond me, i understand why he isnt in any other format but this guy helps with transformation, is a better batsman than Bavuma and is decent in the field. Unless this oak has done some shady stuff behind closed doors i really dont understand it.
Kyle Verreynne could go the way of David Beddingham if the selectors arnt careful. I understand they're looking for a black batsman but this guy is a ready made superstar who has frankly been carrying the Cobras for the past two years with some help from the Malan brothers and George Linde. In my opinion he should replace Faf in the test setup.
My next home SA series test XI provided they're all fit is as follows.
1. Elgar (C)
2. Markram
3. van der Dussen / Raynard van Tonder
4. Verreynne
5. Petersen
6. de Kock (WK)
7. Mulder
8. Maharaj
9. Nortje
10. Rabada
11. Ngidi
4 out of 11 for transformation targets which is well below unfortunately but thankfully the quota extends to the whole year overall including all formats so what i think Boucher is doing is blooding some of the promising black and coloured players in the T20Is which is what SA have always done in order to fulfill these targets.
If transformation for a test team has to be obliged then its a much weaker best XI but my best XI would be
1. Elgar (C)
2. Markram
3. Hamza
4. Petersen
5. Bavuma
6. de Kock (WK)
7. Mulder
8. Maharaj
9. Nortje
10. Rabada
11. Ngidi
Sorry that this was abit rambly but thought an SA expat opinion might be somewhat valued
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In my honest opinion he's as talented as Aiden Markram. Hamza is totally over rated, while Kyle Verreyne is just a freakishly talented kid.
I've been advocating for Malan and Verreyne to be included since 2018, I'm normally spot on with my predictions when it comes to young blokes in SA.
Marco Jansen is going to be the next superstar
I've been advocating for Malan and Verreyne to be included since 2018, I'm normally spot on with my predictions when it comes to young blokes in SA.
Marco Jansen is going to be the next superstar
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Still amazing to see the ICC just ignore completely racist selection policies. This the era of woke, though.
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Flakeman wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 8:02 am
Still amazing to see the ICC just ignore completely racist selection policies. This the era of woke, though.
Yet they avoided suspension even though there is clear government interference!
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Looks like more trouble for South Africa as they run the risk of govt dissolving CSA and thus also running the risk of a suspension by the ICC.
South Africa sports minister to intervene after CSA fails to agree on MOI
https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/sout ... oi-1259510
At the moment I think ZC is being run better than CSA.
South Africa sports minister to intervene after CSA fails to agree on MOI
https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/sout ... oi-1259510
At the moment I think ZC is being run better than CSA.
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I just looked at abd's stats and he only played 13 odis and 4 tests against Zim ,yet he played 32 odis against India and 32 against Pakistan.
Zim should be playing SA way more, at least their A team. Their needs to be an Africa cup like the Asia cup. I know there is some sort of T20 one in Africa but no odi one like the Asia cup.
Apparently the 2021 Africa T20 cup doesn't include SA and Zim, only associates.
Zim should be playing SA way more, at least their A team. Their needs to be an Africa cup like the Asia cup. I know there is some sort of T20 one in Africa but no odi one like the Asia cup.
Apparently the 2021 Africa T20 cup doesn't include SA and Zim, only associates.
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Looks like CSA is all set to be dissolved by the government. Where does South African cricket go from here?
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Why are the ICC not doing something like they did with the Zimbabwe situation
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