I know this is for ZC only but I wanted other people opinion on the shambolic performance of South Africa.
Apparently they now have to field 7 players of colour in the side, with three being black African.
Ngidi, Bavuma and Rabada are all there, yet both the Hendricks make the sides. Two of the most over rated cricketers and blatant quota selections ever.
You have Jannaman Malan and Kyle Verryene in the squad who can’t get a game, yet they have to select inferior players based on race.
I actually think this might be the end of a competitive South Africa cricket team. I don’t see how they can compete when they play cricketers like Hendricks and, because of politics, have to ignore guys like Coetzee, Muelder and Malan.
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sloandog wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 11:59 am
They're black, they'll persist as long as they need.
It sounds awful doesn't it, but it's literally just fact. If you're a black cricketer in SA, you have it golden. I can name three genuinely fast, young, white bowlers who are better better all three of Hendricks, Sipamla and Andile. They're simply not good enough and yet they will continue to get picked because they fill the quota of black players.
Having Junior Dala in that squad and Magala is a massive slap in the face to blokes like Coetzee, Keegan Peterson, Nandre Burger etc.
Yes, That is really sad, still I mean they will find better colored players than these eventually won't they!? I'm sure they have dropped the idea of 7 colored players by 2023, as of now it remains at 6.
Verreynne and Janneman have to be in the playing XI always. No doubting that.
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With Rassie and Miller to come back, the XI could be unreal
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1. Quainton De Kock (wkt)
2. Janaman Malan
3. Aiden Markram
4. Rassie Van Der Dusson (Cpt)
5. Kyle Verreyne
6. David Miller
7. Wiaan Mulder
8. Andile Phehleqwayo
9. Tabrai Shamsai
10. Kagiso Rabada
11. Anrich Nortje
I still think Temba is a good LOI player and should be in, but he still doesn't make my full strength XI.
You could throw in Dwayne Pretorious, De Zorzi, Gerald Coetzee, Keegan Peterson, Ngidi and even a wild card like Breetske.
Won't happen though
2. Janaman Malan
3. Aiden Markram
4. Rassie Van Der Dusson (Cpt)
5. Kyle Verreyne
6. David Miller
7. Wiaan Mulder
8. Andile Phehleqwayo
9. Tabrai Shamsai
10. Kagiso Rabada
11. Anrich Nortje
I still think Temba is a good LOI player and should be in, but he still doesn't make my full strength XI.
You could throw in Dwayne Pretorious, De Zorzi, Gerald Coetzee, Keegan Peterson, Ngidi and even a wild card like Breetske.
Won't happen though
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sloandog wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 5:35 pm
With Rassie and Miller to come back, the XI could be unreal
Only one of them can play under the quota rules if you play Verreyne too.
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sam_ahm wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 11:51 am
sloandog wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 8:27 am
Beurin Hendricks getting into the XI must be such a slap in the face to lads like Nandre Burger and Marco Jansen. He is seriously not good enough for this level. Sipamla isn't a LOI bowler either and yet he still gets a game. Ridiculous selection
How long can they persist with Beauran and Sipamla? I think they will not last for long.
Sipamla is not international standard PERIOD. He was getting tonked like a T20 game even in Tests against SL. Hendricks may have been good few years ago but now he is crap. Dupavillon, Jansen, Coetzee and god knows how many other white bowlers are better than the junk like Sipamla, Hendricks. I mean if you don't even look at white bowlers, just play Magala and see what the deal is.
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franco vazquez wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:41 pm
sloandog wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 5:35 pm
With Rassie and Miller to come back, the XI could be unreal
Only one of them can play under the quota rules if you play Verreyne too.
I know mate, would be awesome if they could both be squeezed in though
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franco vazquez wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:44 pm
sam_ahm wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 11:51 am
sloandog wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 8:27 am
Beurin Hendricks getting into the XI must be such a slap in the face to lads like Nandre Burger and Marco Jansen. He is seriously not good enough for this level. Sipamla isn't a LOI bowler either and yet he still gets a game. Ridiculous selection
How long can they persist with Beauran and Sipamla? I think they will not last for long.
Sipamla is not international standard PERIOD. He was getting tonked like a T20 game even in Tests against SL. Hendricks may have been good few years ago but now he is crap. Dupavillon, Jansen, Coetzee and god knows how many other white bowlers are better than the junk like Sipamla, Hendricks. I mean if you don't even look at white bowlers, just play Magala and see what the deal is.
Gerald Coetzee hit 92mph in last years MSL and he's already scored a couple of FC half centuries.
Corbin Bosch is another kid who bowls rockets. Will they ever get in, though? I doubt it
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franco vazquez wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:44 pm
sam_ahm wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 11:51 am
sloandog wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 8:27 am
Beurin Hendricks getting into the XI must be such a slap in the face to lads like Nandre Burger and Marco Jansen. He is seriously not good enough for this level. Sipamla isn't a LOI bowler either and yet he still gets a game. Ridiculous selection
How long can they persist with Beauran and Sipamla? I think they will not last for long.
Sipamla is not international standard PERIOD. He was getting tonked like a T20 game even in Tests against SL. Hendricks may have been good few years ago but now he is crap. Dupavillon, Jansen, Coetzee and god knows how many other white bowlers are better than the junk like Sipamla, Hendricks. I mean if you don't even look at white bowlers, just play Magala and see what the deal is.
You're being really overly harsh on Sipamla here. He's 22 and a really good red ball bowler. Still needs to learn in the shorter formats but he's got bags of potential.
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With the red ball I've said from day 1 Sipamla could develop into an excellent bowler, but he's nowhere near ready and should be playing at least another season for his franchise.
LOI's though? Way off the mark and far from good enough.
LOI's though? Way off the mark and far from good enough.
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Isn't Glenton Stuurman colored and better than Beuran, Sipamla?
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sam_ahm wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 7:34 pm
Isn't Glenton Stuurman colored and better than Beuran, Sipamla?
Yea he's another one who I would rather see in the ODI side. Has a yard as well, bug string bloke
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Can we just appreciate the talent of Malan and Markram...
Wow! Some of the shots these two are playing is another level of talent
Wow! Some of the shots these two are playing is another level of talent
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Zimco wrote: ↑Wed Apr 14, 2021 1:36 pm
Your bloke lizaad Williams is playing sloandog
Yea he looked okay in the last game, lucky to get those 3 poles. Not as fast as I thought he was going to be, either
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The kind of depth South Africa have shown in this series has surprised me, this must be the result of a strong domestic structure that proteas have so many good players coming through.
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Yeah they have done well but not to be too rude, remember they are playing Pakistan at home whom Australia absolutely smashed at home. South Africa is in the mid tier and should be beating Pakistan at home.
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Yeah they have done well but not to be too rude, remember they are playing Pakistan at home whom Australia absolutely smashed at home. South Africa is in the mid tier and should be beating Pakistan at home.
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They do have depth and it annoys me when people slate them. They have as much talent coming through as ANY side I the world. They have more than Australia, fact. The only issue is the way that talent is being handled.
Take Kyle Verreyne for example. Batted like a demon in that final ODI and yet he can't get a look in now. They continue to choose Van Biljion at 34 who seems rushed and far from good enough.
There's an abundance of names I can just reel off and there's more coming through in the next batch of Under 19's. Some seriously talented batters and a young quick bowler who will play test cricket.
The issue is that Ngidi, Rabada and by the looks of it Sipamla have been earmarked at the leaders going forward in terms of the black players.
Take Kyle Verreyne for example. Batted like a demon in that final ODI and yet he can't get a look in now. They continue to choose Van Biljion at 34 who seems rushed and far from good enough.
There's an abundance of names I can just reel off and there's more coming through in the next batch of Under 19's. Some seriously talented batters and a young quick bowler who will play test cricket.
The issue is that Ngidi, Rabada and by the looks of it Sipamla have been earmarked at the leaders going forward in terms of the black players.
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Corbin Bosch and Gerald Coetzee are better and fast than Magala, but they're the wrong colour
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Yeah they have depth, all I'm saying is they should be doing this well against this young Pakistan side and generally. They are a premier side. there is a massive hole in their pipeline and structure, which affects their end product.
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