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Elton Chigumbura is being marginalised

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What reason does Chigumbura have to be motivated? The deck is stacked against him by Streak!

-watermelon.
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That's a strange thing to say. Surely he needs to stay motivated to do well in franchise to try and get back in the team?

To make sure he stays on a central contract earning 5k a month instead of 200?

Maybe with Streak and Cremer it's more merit based instead of cronyism and tithing?
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Gargamel-

What are all these players doing whilst there's no franchise being played?

Matigimu finishes school in South Africa this year. My guess is he will go to Uni.

There's no way Willie Mashinge is 140. I like his attitude though.

I like Nyasha Nyasha from Saints, but someone needs to verify whether he's a chucker or not.

It's a pity about Jongwe, one of the few genuinely talented all rounders, but had smoke blown up his arse his whole life by people in the system desperate to prove that the broken system works.

Who is this young PE boy asking for money to go and play junior IPL in India, or whatever it is?

They need to resurrect the HPC at Country Club and beg GB or RB to whip some of these guys into shape. The only decent facilities outside of HSC lies idle. The two genuinely knowledgeable old school coaches who could get some discipline and work ethic going have been as marginalized as Chigs! The only coach that could raise his voice without fear was Mangongo.

They need to take a serious look at the undue influence Takashinga has and squash it. It was created to destroy the white stranglehold on cricket but it's time to rein them in. Well it's overdue, and in fact they've done more harm than good. For them to be able to delay the start of the season is disgusting.
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Googly wrote:Gargamel-

What are all these players doing whilst there's no franchise being played?

Matigimu finishes school in South Africa this year. My guess is he will go to Uni.

There's no way Willie Mashinge is 140. I like his attitude though.

I like Nyasha Nyasha from Saints, but someone needs to verify whether he's a chucker or not.

It's a pity about Jongwe, one of the few genuinely talented all rounders, but had smoke blown up his arse his whole life by people in the system desperate to prove that the broken system works.

Who is this young PE boy asking for money to go and play junior IPL in India, or whatever it is?

They need to resurrect the HPC at Country Club and beg GB or RB to whip some of these guys into shape. The only decent facilities outside of HSC lies idle. The two genuinely knowledgeable old school coaches who could get some discipline and work ethic going have been as marginalized as Chigs! The only coach that could raise his voice without fear was Mangongo.

They need to take a serious look at the undue influence Takashinga has and squash it. It was created to destroy the white stranglehold on cricket but it's time to rein them in. Well it's overdue, and in fact they've done more harm than good. For them to be able to delay the start of the season is disgusting.


Nyasha Nyasha Chucks and its too late to change him high level of self belief and in a good club setup at the Kings on a wicket at country Club that i personally think would help him if they can pare him up with Callum Price and Tendai Shereni.

Mashinge at the under 19 was ranging between 132 and 135 and i seriioulsy think he can push to 140 and he can seriously bat. Level headed and sober minded i think he should be given his push and play at the next world cup.

I actually forgot that young Tari Musakanda does bowl seam though less he could fill that allrounder roll.

Guys at the moment are training on their own and playing club cricket trying to keep sharp. ZC's stipulation that contracted players must play club cricket have seen national team and franchise players pitch up at games with them needing to play a minimum of 5 games in the season.
Yes Mashinge has gained some muscle and pace.. Mumba, Mpofu, Mashinge and Aliseni are the only bowlers who can bowl at 140km/h.. I like Mashinge.. He's well mannered and puts in 110% every time he plays..

rupeni wrote:Yes Mashinge has gained some muscle and pace.. Mumba, Mpofu, Mashinge and Aliseni are the only bowlers who can bowl at 140km/h.. I like Mashinge.. He's well mannered and puts in 110% every time he plays..


Matigimu is tall (mumba height) he can bowl @ 140km/hr I think mashinge is a 132km/ hr type of bowler
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Aliseni is a myth.
My All-time Zimbabwe XI
Neil Johnson, Brendan Taylor, Murray Goodwin, Andy Flower (w), David Houghton, Sean Williams, Heath Streak (c), Andy Blignaut, Paul Strang, Eddo Brandes, Blessing Muzarabani
:) :)
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Aliseni and Jakiel are both the real deal.

If someone can get Aliseni and Jakiel to the HSC nets and film them having a bowl off, then I'll bestow a knighthood to the winner.

Yes, I've just raised the stakes.
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They both play for my club and ill be compiling videos. Both players are the real deal. As for Jakiel you can get first hand accounts from Umpire Owen Chirombe who saw him bowl some of 3 of the best death overs in Zimbabwe in the first ZPL game. SO watch this space. Ill share the videos on a drop box folder for guys to have a look at some of our guys in Practiice. On the topic of Allrounders Mafusire is the real deal .
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I am looking forward to seeing Jakiel land an IPL contract. His death bowling is a thing of wonder.
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eugene wrote:I am looking forward to seeing Jakiel land an IPL contract. His death bowling is a thing of wonder.


Get him in the team !

#eugenestyle #copy
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watermelon here,

i was motivated to revive this ZCF-favourite thread due to current events. With Chigumbura's defeat confirmed, it seems that the Cremer/Streak axis have moved on to marginalising Regis Chakabva. Batting him out of position, making him keep wicket, these guys are clearly playing with his mind and hoping he will crumble. The reason for this you lesser minds may ask? To clear a path for Brendan Taylor's return! Taylor is a mediocre keeper and has largely failed on his overseas jaunt so his return to the squad is hardly guaranteed. The best way to guarantee his return is to destroy his competition, which at the moment is Regis.

-watermelon.
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watermelon wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2017 2:11 pm

watermelon here,

i was motivated to revive this ZCF-favourite thread due to current events. With Chigumbura's defeat confirmed, it seems that the Cremer/Streak axis have moved on to marginalising Regis Chakabva. Batting him out of position, making him keep wicket, these guys are clearly playing with his mind and hoping he will crumble. The reason for this you lesser minds may ask? To clear a path for Brendan Taylor's return! Taylor is a mediocre keeper and has largely failed on his overseas jaunt so his return to the squad is hardly guaranteed. The best way to guarantee his return is to destroy his competition, which at the moment is Regis.

-watermelon.

Interesting reasoning. Maybe, maybe not but everyone including neutrals clearly criticised having Regis open and a non-bowling non-keeping Moor at 7. In fact I think they made him bat higher than a more in form Malcolm to reduce the embarassment they were faced with.

Having said all of that Zimbabwe are spin-heavy these days(Cremer, Raza, Williams, Malcolm, Mushangwe, Wellington, Burl, Chisoro). Secondly they now have Afghanistan to contend with, plus a number of matches they will get against sides like SL, BD and WI who are either on their level or just above. They have pitches will dictate that Zimbabwe are spin-heavy in Tests more often than not. So that rules out Taylor because Zimbabwe will be in the field for 150 overs on average. Streak and Cremer would be foolish to think Taylor would be up to doing that consistently, neither are his keeping skills up to a level that would give even his friend Cremer confidence when he bowls. So Regis is safe. Very safe considering the next in line are Mutumbami and Moor (if they still want to even call him a keeper)
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It's interesting to note that the match winning team from the first ODI in Sri Lanka would not have been allowed to be fielded if It was South Africa who require 6 players of "colour" . We had Burl Waller Williams Ervine Cremer and Moor. With Raza Mire Chatara Hami and I think Ngarava making up the players of "colour" contingent. Who would have ever thought the Proteas would have a stricter quota policy than us? Taylor coming back would make things interesting. I think the admin are in survival mode and threw all their stupid racially biased ideas out the window for that 94 million
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TapsC wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2017 4:33 pm
It's interesting to note that the match winning team from the first ODI in Sri Lanka would not have been allowed to be fielded if It was South Africa who require 6 players of "colour" . We had Burl Waller Williams Ervine Cremer and Moor. Who would have ever thought the Proteas would have a stricter quota policy than us? Taylor coming back would make things interesting.

We don't play here. If they miss the target Gert Oosthuizen(dep Sports Min - SA), the Director General of Sports get an earful from us and they'll be turned into fools in Parliament on live TV when they give their reports and presentations. If they ar eunder fire they make sure that sport's boss (e.g. Lorgat CSA) is thrown under the bus. As things stand the shave missed the target. We don't care if Rabada was because Phehlukwayo was in the squad. They will have have to make up the numbers.

This is why I wonder what's wrong with Zim fans. They all make noise plenty of noise on Facebook, but very little on the ground. We're more organised, plus nobody knows me, and the results are there to see. I punt an African cricketer 12 months ahead, and if he is not around the Proteas or the A side then we'll have problems.


stupid racially biased ideas out the window

Equal treatment of unequal people is unequal. It's unfair!

If we don't have this "bias" then players like Ngidi and Phehlukwayo would have never been selected. And guess what, they've been brilliant!

If I was Australian a lot more Kurtly Beales and Fainga'as would be playing rugby and cricket trust me. ;)
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pariah wrote: ↑Sun Jul 16, 2017 12:51 pm

If I was Australian a lot more Kurtly Beales and Fainga'as would be playing rugby and cricket trust me. ;)


Don't need quotas here bud, sides get picked on merit not on colour ;)
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Hhm there wouldn't be more Kurtley Beatles because the aboriginals all play NRL and afl.

The Comp is littered with them.

Two years ago Greg Inglis was the most destructive rugby player of any code in the world.

Exhibit A.

Not a one off

https://youtu.be/UhrN4_R6CWo
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ZIMDOGGY wrote: ↑Tue Jul 18, 2017 2:07 pm

Hhm there wouldn't be more Kurtley Beatles because the aboriginals all play NRL and afl.

The Comp is littered with them.

Two years ago Greg Inglis was the most destructive rugby player of any code in the world.

Exhibit A.

Not a one off

https://youtu.be/UhrN4_R6CWo

Ah sports for thugs!

They could migrate disciplines - WWE vs TNA type of thing? :|

NB: You should read up on the history of how Afrikaners were treated in cricket by the "Englishmen".

EDIT: Start here...http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1 ... ode=fhsp20
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Chakabva was again sabotaged by being forced to open again at the expense of his more rested teammates. Moor has been removed as a keeper to take the spotlight of him and to sell him as a batsman only. Regis is now the sacrificial lamb who will have to make way for Taylor when he returns from his failed English stint.

-watermelon.

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