The case for Ewing and Rainsford (plus others)

betterdays wrote:I really haven't seen anything from Waller to warrant the talk about him. I saw more in Muzhange tbh (though at a stretch, Waller's batting evens out their stocks).

Like Sloandog, I don't want to pick a fight on this one, but I think he can up he's got time to up his pace and be a better bowler(&bat) than Hastings/Christian(similar action?). Anyway, my emphasis is on identifying players with the potential to be turned into international class allrounders, and Nathan is one of them. We underestimate just how valuable they are! NZ has managed to be an overacheiving side, largely because of allrounders! We're suffering right now because we don't have any! I feel it should be a ZC policy, they had that 'fast bowler' search campaign, I think we should focus on one for seamer-allrounders over the next two years! Give them the best attention!

ZIMDOGGY wrote:Streaks coaching might hit the right note and u might get a test cap if Jarvis breaks down

Streaky clearly not doing enough right now then.........? :)

I see no one's thrown their weight behind Rainsford much, or should I say, you guys are staying clear of him! Perhaps it's the fear of him sidelining one of the favorites! Well, in ODIs, Rainsford is better than Jarvis at exactly the similar stage of his career(the same is double true of Panyangara).

What concerns me is that they were both also better u19 players, and marginally younger than Jarvis when they made their international debuts(Panyangara even worse) too, yet somehow the crystal balls of many here continues to say Jarvis WILL be a better player in the long run, or is the one to beat. The gulf those two have over him is further underlined by the tougher opposition they faced, and foreign conditions in which they excelled when even younger! In the meantime Jarvis' Test&ODI stats continue to gradually get worse, while their First Class & List A stats remain superior!

My humble question to you guys is, by what logic do you arrive at the conclusion that Jarvis, is and will be a better bowler, because apart from stats themselves which totally disprove it, I also continue to search for the evidence based simply on what I've seen of all the 3 boys in live action, and what I continue to observe of Jarvis, but NOTHING suggests my conclusion is false.

Someone mentioned Jarvis uprooting Guptil's stump, but Rainsford & Panyangara's careers up to the same point are littered with plenty of great past&present batsmen whom they've dislodged, at home & away! I dare say, Rainsford is the best internatinal bowler we've had since Streak retired! Mpofu's got nothing on him(& Panyangara as well)!

What you need to foucs on is the fact that gradually, a few people here are starting to lose more and more faith in the stupid policies and approach the coaches adopted! What were they thinking blooding in novices! A little while ago BRM himself felt they would come good within a year, now that's increased to 3 years! After hosting Aus&SA, we'll be away to SL&Pak, at that time! Cremer, Jarvis & Vitori will take care of them, so be patient guys! 😂

sscricket wrote:It is the batting department and why on earth Chakabva and Taibu would eat so many balls chasing 373.

You must've missed the white flags in their hands! :)

You can't judge them for how they went about things. What's stupid is for the catalyst of the team to position himself at #4 in the odi batting line, knowing fully well that there's a 90% chance for us to be 3 down for little on the board, then he WILL find himself under far too much pressure to effect the result positively, but still persists with that policy which actually puts even more pressure on those coming after. Thankfully, this time those after him did their job! ;)