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bayhaus wrote:Taylor was the one who presented that he was ill. ZC are not making this up


What are your sources?
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Taylor has just top scored for his team in the BPL. He scored four tons this domestic season. If we have a test that could rule him out then we have a bad test. Tbh I can't remember the Tino exclusion - how long ago was it? But if he was scoring runs and he got left out of wherever then we have a bad test. If he had no form and he got left out it hardly matters.

We don't have the talent at any depth to be so free with our resources.
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Jemisi wrote:Tbh I can't remember the Tino exclusion - how long ago was it?


Source Lawrence Moyo


At the same World Cup, Taylor had failed a fitness test but still played. The same fitness test result that saw Tino Mawoyo being kicked out of the national team.


We don't want anymore double standards. The same article also revealed facts we fondly remember:


The most prominent issue is that of Vusi Sibanda. Sibanda was axed from the national team by the ZC cricket committee headed by Alistair Campbell.

Campbell and his camp punished Vusi Sibanda for choosing to improve his cricket in Australia ahead of a trip to New Zealand.

Vusi had actually played Logan Cup matches, which were ideal for a Test tour. They wanted him to play the limited-overs matches in domestic cricket.

It was a punishment that was linked to the fact that Vusi missed a T20 tournament run by a company in which Campbell might have had interests.

But what made the whole episode ugly is that on the same New Zealand tour, Zimbabwe were captained by Brendan Taylor who missed the domestic matches here to play in the sub-continent. There was an ugly exchange between Campbell and Makoni over the issue and there are records to prove that.


No one wants Taylor out. For me he is one of the first four names on every team XI(alongside Mpofu, Vusi & Hami).

If he is being punished via underhanded tactics then that's wrong. He should be punished outright. If Cook had been less diplomatic about Prior's IPL comments, and Player's rep demands, despite his form and heroics, ultimately his "resignation" would have been accepted, and Trott/Jimmy made captain. Taylor should tour and play in every match possible, but he should be fined heavily, and stripped of captaincy. Jarvis should also be fined not simply ostracised from the XI based on his inevitable failure in the first ODI!
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HHM it looks like Jarvis will be spared a gayle spanking as he has been left out/rested from the odis :D :D
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...anyone know how the fitness of national team members is developed, monitored, etc. in the course of the season? I sincerely hope that it's a bit more sophisticated than: 'your fitness will be tested before the tour and how you get to that level is your problem and if you're not up to scratch, depending on who you are, we may or may not axe you'. In a professional set-up, I'd hope that there's a personalized program for each team member, that there are regular checks and reports. That way, if people are not up to speed, they can be told and incited to make the necessary efforts during the course of the season, in order to reach the stated goals at the right time.
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Just to make myself clear, I did not defend Taylor for failing fitness test anywhere there in my previous post. He must not be treated any special than others when it comes to drawing a benchmark.
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jimbo wrote:HHM it looks like Jarvis will be spared a gayle spanking as he has been left out/rested from the odis :D :D

😂 One of the first things that crossed my mind!

Gayle has been rather suspect in the opening overs, which has led to his downturn in form. We can understand why Vitori(Stanbic T20) and Elton recently(BPL) gave him problems because Elton is naturally proficient against lefties while Vitori does enough to trouble them when he lands it in the right places. However, the Jarvis hit-me balls would've been too hard to resist.

Yes, it's different now that less experienced batsmen are in the top order. If Jarvis can bowl the kind of balls which knocked over Nafees, as well as McCulllum & Guptil in the 1st & 2nd innings, WI can easily be 3/10 by the 3rd over. Most batsmen's defence and footwork has improved these days, so lbws & bowled won't come easily for him since he doesn't have special pace or consistent late swing. He seems to be looking for that ball which works and all he manages most of the time is to miss his lengths and gets frustrated and gives up by the end of his 2nd over.

He has very little trouble keeping to a line. The problem is he's trying to generate pace that he doesn't have naturally(like Nicolson :D ). For someone with such a smooth action, he shouldn't look so clumsy & spent after releasing the ball. That tells you there's a technical problem already.

The striking thing is he's not a caught behind bowler, which shows that he's poorly coached (and don't dare tell me his catches were dropped). Since we'll be stuck with him for some time, the coaches need to start teaching him the right things to make him succeed.

Shorten the run up a bit, forget about pace and stick to 128-130kph as his maximum speed. He can reserve the odd 134-136kph ball for one or two bouncers, but he should forget about ever bowling faster than 136kph. Of all our bowlers, I think he's the worst at short pitched balls. Whenever he does bowl a bouncer you can argue he bowled it short inadvertently. Premeditated long hops basically.

Half the time, the pitch determines the length you need to bowl, and you'd be foolish to tell me Jarvis is experienced enough to understand what length the pitch requires of him(I doubt Hami, Taylor his captain or his senior Mpofu etc are intelligent enough to know either). That's where Streak comes in, and he's failed in my opinion!

It doesn't help if you've got the line right but your length is wrong 4/5 out of six balls an over. In that case it's not landing in any corridor of uncertainty, the batsmen is certain of where it's landing and that's beyond the fence when he's given it the right treatment!!!

Anyway, the absence of Gayle and Samuel will benefit Meth mostly. I don't think the WI inexperienced batsmen will fare well against him in the early overs. Problem is in ODIs you're expected to bowl 10 overs, and I don;t see Meth bowling more than 5 on the trot. In a 3 spinner strategy which we have to go with, he will have to bowl his ten, and the rest of those 5 overs will be painful to watch. think Elton's 3 overs 3-0-7-1 followed up by his fourth multiplied five times in Meth's case. ;)
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Jemisi wrote:Taylor has just top scored for his team in the BPL. He scored four tons this domestic season. If we have a test that could rule him out then we have a bad test.


Agreed.
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brmtaylor.com admin wrote:

Jemisi wrote:Taylor has just top scored for his team in the BPL. He scored four tons this domestic season. If we have a test that could rule him out then we have a bad test.


Agreed.


:D

Very fair point.

This is all so painfully pathetic. I can't wait for the actual cricket to start!
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hhm wrote:At the same World Cup, Taylor had failed a fitness test but still played. The same fitness test result that saw Tino Mawoyo being kicked out of the national team.


Lawrence didnt get this right Tino was injured and it was not because of a failed fitness test. Though I did bring up the issue at the time since Tino was scoring runs for mountaineers by the time the world cup started.


jimbo wrote: bayhaus wrote:Taylor was the one who presented that he was ill. ZC are not making this up

What are your sources?


The reason Taylor & Ham came back was to do the fitness test nothing else. They could have played one or two more games and just connected with the team in West Indies... I can only provide sources where there are articles to link to, but if you have evidence to the contrary you can always prove me wrong.
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Ming wrote:...anyone know how the fitness of national team members is developed, monitored, etc. in the course of the season? I sincerely hope that it's a bit more sophisticated than: 'your fitness will be tested before the tour and how you get to that level is your problem and if you're not up to scratch, depending on who you are, we may or may not axe you'. In a professional set-up, I'd hope that there's a personalized program for each team member, that there are regular checks and reports. That way, if people are not up to speed, they can be told and incited to make the necessary efforts during the course of the season, in order to reach the stated goals at the right time.


I agree, but I am sure its not some kind of surprise though. That will be fitness coach Lorraine's job to work with the players but I guess Lorraine only comes into the picture when the sqaud comes together, so it would be up to the franchises to make sure they meet the national standard of fitness.
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According to the facebook page it appears that Taylor is well and truly out of the frame for touring the West Indies....
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sloandog wrote:According to the facebook page it appears that Taylor is well and truly out of the frame for touring the West Indies....


I think that is just the same news regurgitated. He is ill and didn't fly with the others. If/when he is better, he will join them...
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Jemisi wrote:

maehara wrote:

hhm wrote:Forget it. They must fire you!


Thank god you're not in charge of ZC.



Amen

Pretty sure he is involved somewhere.

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