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[Match Thread] 4th ODI: Afghanistan v Zimbabwe

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Pashtuns are 42 percent of the population if Wikipedia is to be believed, majority of the population but still a minority.

That said, their ascent has been meteoric.

The county would have a lot of potential if they could she the taliban and the taliban mindset.
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Pashtuns are 42 percent of the population if Wikipedia is to be believed, majority of the population but still a minority.

That said, their ascent has been meteoric.

The county would have a lot of potential if they could she the taliban and the taliban mindset.
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Muzarabani's average pace has improved a lot which is great to see, even if he is still very raw.
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We legit have to go back to that 8-3. It's the only time our batting looked decent.
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There were days in the past, when lesser talented sides were regularly marauded by Zimbabwe in the best way possible. Remember that massive 172 of Wishart against Namibia, 2003. Masakadza killing off Kenya with 178 and 156 in 2008/09. We are a pale shadow of that now. Can we genuinely believe we will see at least one such innings in the qualifiers from any of our batsmen?
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CrimsonAvenger wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 3:25 pm

There were days in the past, when lesser talented sides were regularly marauded by Zimbabwe in the best way possible. Remember that massive 172 of Wishart against Namibia, 2003. Masakadza killing off Kenya with 178 and 156 in 2008/09. We are a pale shadow of that now. Can we genuinely believe we will see at least one such innings in the qualifiers from any of our batsmen?


If Wishart could score 172 against Namibia, surely the vastly more talented BT could play more than one innings of significance against Afghanistan. We may have played our last World Cup. Perhaps Kenya, Uganda, and Zimbabwe could play an African tri-series every four years during the world cup?
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It's interesting that people are raising the meteoric rise of Afghanistan and it is true they have come a long way in a very short space of time. My understanding is that they have big backers in India, including the BCCI, which has helped them establish themselves more quickly than they might have done. Zimbabwe unfortunately does not have such wealthy friends and although there is undoubted talent, there is simply not the resources or seemingly a desire among the senior members of ZC to improve the structure and standards.

It's such a shame - I am based in UK but I have visited Zimbabwe several times. There is huge potential and many determined young players who are keen to progress. Sadly they are victims of the atrocious management and misappropriation of funds by a number of previous board members, which means ZC is still servicing huge debts to this day.
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One of those hopeless days.. thank God I don't support arsenal too. ZC gives me too many chest pains as it is..

Couple of positives. One is that Taylor is back looking like our best batsman again.. didn't look troubled at all until that shot. Ervine is back.. Slowly but surely down the order he is finding his form.

Feel for Tari and Burl. Got out play the same shot.. must be what they have told to do but they must do better.

I'm suggesting we make the next game a full on trial. Williams might be back so I suggest we play like this

Burl

Moor

Tari

BT

Ervine

Raza

Waller

Cremer

Chisoro

Vitori

Blessing

Let's rest Hami Mire Chatara and Jarvis. Let's make it a real try out for Blessing Vitori Chisoro Waller PJ Tari and burl and warn them there might be some last minute changes. The possible changes being Williams for one of them mainly.
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If chisoro plays in next match and does super good it might raise more questions than answers for heath streak and his selection policy in earlier matches.
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TapsC wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 12:07 pm

Wow we are doomed.. and we have 3 pace bowlers on a spinning track


Playing 3 seamers didn’t doom us

s**t house batting did

Hami, Mire and Raza all out sweeping

Taylor playing the same half hearted lofted drive

Burl and Tari did all the hard work to face 30 balls the. To gift Nabi simple return catches.

None of those deliveries were special all the batsman got themselves out

Mire and Hami need to stop sweeping so much especially the premeditated ones Hami should have drive his for 6 if he played the ball as it was.

Taylor really needs to be more responsible especially when the side is struggling he can’t afford to lose his wicket. He’s***ting way too many balls in the air

Good to see Ervine back in form he’s now top scorer in 3 games this series
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It's like a broken record. Play with a straight bat. Don't play stupid shots. Pick the right team. Do this and that....

To think that it is a professional cricket team making these mistakes over and over and over. I would ban the sweep shot
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eugene wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 4:14 pm

We may have played our last World Cup.


That is a scary thought!
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CrimsonAvenger wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 8:10 am


eugene wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 4:14 pm

We may have played our last World Cup.


That is a scary thought!


Unless it is expanded back up to 14/16 teams I think we have.
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Indeed. There is nothing to suggest we can challenge the top 8-10 teams regularly. I think Afghanistan are only going to continue to pull away.
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Neil Johnson, Brendan Taylor, Murray Goodwin, Andy Flower (w), David Houghton, Sean Williams, Heath Streak (c), Andy Blignaut, Paul Strang, Eddo Brandes, Blessing Muzarabani
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Afghanistan are pulling away but I would still love to see a test match between us. Rashid Khan would be deadly but I feel like most of their batsmen cant build an innings. Totally different ball game..
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TapsC wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2018 1:09 am

Afghanistan are pulling away but I would still love to see a test match between us. Rashid Khan would be deadly but I feel like most of their batsmen cant build an innings. Totally different ball game..


I want to say the Afghans are better in the longer version. They have a few specialist batters for the format. But then again so do Zimbabwe. The issue is, has the ZIM team turned a corner with that fighting draw vs the Windies or will they resort to sweeping every other ball? The ZIM batsmen, barring that game vs the Windies have also proven they cannot build an innings, even on placid flat surfaces. Given that, at best, ZIM and AFG are on equal footing in terms of Test batting (I'd estimate AFG are slightly ahead in reality).

Assuming the most likely scenario which is both ZIM and AFG batsman failing to build innings, both teams might last an average of 70 overs per innings in hypothetical Test match. Given the strenght of the AFG bowling attack (primarily spin), I can see ZIM scoring at their average rate of 2.75 an over which gives a total of around 190 ish.

The Afghans too would bat for the same period of time. But with Shehzad and others, they'd likely score at 4 an over or close to it. Their average innings score would be around the 280 mark.
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Rashid Khan would probably be the difference in the end. I actually feel like Zim are the fall guys again. Just like when Bangladesh whitewashed us in 2014. That was the beginning of a golden era for them. Might just be the same for Afghanistan. I have no doubt that on their day they can beat teams like the West Indies or Sri Lanka or Bangladesh
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TapsC wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2018 8:23 am

Rashid Khan would probably be the difference in the end. I actually feel like Zim are the fall guys again. Just like when Bangladesh whitewashed us in 2014. That was the beginning of a golden era for them. Might just be the same for Afghanistan. I have no doubt that on their day they can beat teams like the West Indies or Sri Lanka or Bangladesh


well the Afghans have already beaten BD in ODIs twice and have knocked the Windies over as well with all 3 wins being away.

Afgkanistan are well on their way to being another Bangladesh ie a team with considerable talent, a collective big mouth, an inexplicabable ability to lose to anyone, and a crazy fanbase. prolly why its so easy for me to back them lol.
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