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Maybe Brian Lara wants to qualify.
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sanchez wrote:The sport commision must look into this,A Campbell needs to answer why is he allowing british passport holders play for zim,and not only him but Chingoka and Bvute as well.


Why? South Africans play for England & Ireland (cricket), ZImbabweans play for South Africa and Australia (rugby union) - it's a sport, not a war, and if the rules & regulations of the sport concerned are met, then what's the problem? Other than blatant nationalism, which is a very dangerous thing.

ICC regulations are clear: they require 4 years' residence in the country you want to play for. They do not require citizenship. If there's a requirement for citizenship in Zim then it's a local policy - I don't believe there's any law in place requiring it. If Raza is happy enough to turn his back on Pakistan and seek to make a career out of playing for Zimbabwe - a country that he has clearly made his home - then why shouldn't he?

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sanchez wrote:The sport commision must look into this,A Campbell needs to answer why is he allowing british passport holders play for zim,and not only him but Chingoka and Bvute as well.


Why? South Africans play for England & Ireland (cricket), ZImbabweans play for South Africa and Australia (rugby union) - it's a sport, not a war, and if the rules & regulations of the sport concerned are met, then what's the problem? Other than blatant nationalism, which is a very dangerous thing.

ICC regulations are clear: they require 4 years' residence in the country you want to play for. They do not require citizenship. If there's a requirement for citizenship in Zim then it's a local policy - I don't believe there's any law in place requiring it. If Raza is happy enough to turn his back on Pakistan and seek to make a career out of playing for Zimbabwe - a country that he has clearly made his home - then why shouldn't he?


South africans have taken british and irish passports through their ancestors and am sure zimbabweans have taken south african and australian passports.
Raza may have residence permit like the british passport holders so why A Campbell does not select him.First comes the countries policy then ICC.

sanchez wrote:Raza may have residence permit like the british passport holders so why A Campbell does not select him.First comes the countries policy then ICC.


You haven't answered my question: why should someone who has made Zimbabwe their home not play for Zimbabwe? I'm genuinely interested in why you seem to think that a piece of paper (a Zim passport) is so important. I don't see that it is.

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sanchez wrote:Raza may have residence permit like the british passport holders so why A Campbell does not select him.First comes the countries policy then ICC.


..........why should someone who has made Zimbabwe their home not play for Zimbabwe? I'm genuinely interested in why you seem to think that a piece of paper (a Zim passport) is so important. I don't see that it is.


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Pakistani cricketer wants to play for Zim
DANIEL NHAKANISO | HARARE - Nov 18 2010 17:37

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Pakistan-born cricketer and Southern Rocks right-hand batsman Sikandar Raza Butt (24) wants to play for Zimbabwe.

Raza confirmed the news in an interview with NewsDay on Thursday.

“Playing for the Zimbabwe national team will be the ideal thing for me. It’s something that I’ve been looking foward to since I decided to become a professional cricketer.” said Butt.

“The level of cricket here is now very high and I know I have to continue working hard and be consistent at this level of the game.

“Playing alongside players like Brian Lara, Steve Tikolo, Tatenda Taibu and Chamunorwa Chibhabha has been a positive influence in the development of my game,” said Butt.

Butt scored a match-winning knock of 93 off 48 balls to help his side beat Matabeleland Tuskers by 41 runs on Wednesday.

The Rocks’ opening batsman came to Zimbabwe when his family migrated from Pakistan in 2002 as a 15-year-old and says he has fallen in love with the country.

He played domestic cricket intermittently for the then local side Northerns before moving to Scotland (Langside College) for his studies where he graduated with a Bachelor’s degree in software engineering.

“After my studies I spoke to my dad about my wish to take cricket on a full-time basis and that’s when Givemore Makoni (Southern Rocks chief executive) signed me for last year’s Twenty20 tournament.
“Since then I have never looked back.”
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im glad he wants to play for the country but what confuses me was why his family decided to go to zim of all places in 2002, when zims social/olitical problems was on the rise?
I should imagine Zimbabwe in 2002 and its socio-political issues pale into comparison compared to Pakistan's.

ZIMDOGGY wrote:im glad he wants to play for the country but what confuses me was why his family decided to go to zim of all places in 2002, when zims social/olitical problems was on the rise?


Asians hav alwez med money in countries which are politicaly unstabl. They're unlik most of us who wher taught to go to skul & look fo a job.
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i think he is showing great form, pity there no 20-20I soon
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andy24 wrote:i think he is showing great form, pity there no 20-20I soon


Find out his status and take him on the tour to Bangladesh

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andy24 wrote:i think he is showing great form, pity there no 20-20I soon


Find out his status and take him on the tour to Bangladesh


i think that wil b good , giv him a coupl of games whilst he's stil in form. I dont think he wil do a lot worse than Dabengw, Williams & Tiba
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Raza is a useful addition to Zimbabwean cricket. Not sure if he is cut out for international cricket, but at the very least if he is eligible he could be selected for some 'A' team tours.

When was the last time Zimbabwe had an asian player, I am guessing Ali Omarshah was the last?
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Dion Ebraham...lol
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heres a thought....do you think any of the imports to the teams wold fall in love with the place and adopt themselves as zimboks-making them eligible for the national team?

We have Raza in the bag (although hes been living here a while) and i have a strong feeling riki wessells might be trying to qualify himself.... but do you think we could pick up one or two of the fringe county players we have in the ranks? Most have been here 2 yrs now.

It can only add to our batting depth. i say batting because theres not many bowling imports unusually.
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syedmahm wrote:

maehara wrote:

sanchez wrote:Raza may have residence permit like the british passport holders so why A Campbell does not select him.First comes the countries policy then ICC.


..........why should someone who has made Zimbabwe their home not play for Zimbabwe? I'm genuinely interested in why you seem to think that a piece of paper (a Zim passport) is so important. I don't see that it is.


Agree..


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Its great in the short term that we have all these foreign players playing cricket for our franchises, as it raises the standard and exposes our cricketers to different styles and tactics... However, in the long term it could damage our national team and zimbabwean born players if their places are continually taken up by overseas players... Just look at the English Premier league and the state their national football team has been in as an example of what will happen
In the long run we can limit the foreign contigent, but at present when the squad goes for tours like to Bangladesh this week, we need these foreign players to keep the standards high and expose the young players to good cricket. For the next couple of years at least we need world class players in our domestic competition.
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Xlife wrote:Its great in the short term that we have all these foreign players playing cricket for our franchises, as it raises the standard and exposes our cricketers to different styles and tactics... However, in the long term it could damage our national team and zimbabwean born players if their places are continually taken up by overseas players... Just look at the English Premier league and the state their national football team has been in as an example of what will happen


leta bwe honest here this is Zimbabwe.

We are not going to have an influx of imports wanting to play for the national team.

We've lost dozens of players overseas. We are entitled to one of the players out of the millions in pakistan.

Actually not really, we are definately entitled to a few english and South Africans though.

Riki Wessells welcome aboard....
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If he wants to be Zimbabwean i say lets give the kid a chance
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sanchez wrote:

maehara wrote:Have they changed the citizenship rules lately? As far as I was aware, if you were so much as eligible for the citizenship of another country, you couldn't claim Zim citizenship, even if you were born there. Raza would presumably have Pakistani citizenship.

I mention that only as citizenship is mentioned. ICC rules only require residence, and he's certainly got that.


This has not been allowed before for if you do not have a zim passport you cannnot play for zim.so why now? Raza should not be given zim passport as it will
set a precedent.The sport commision must look into this,A Campbell needs to answer why is he allowing british passport holders play for zim,and not only him
but Chingoka and Bvute as well.


Sanchez unless you were immigration or the police or somebody with a vested interest at national team selection I don't know why you would attempt to make moral judgments on the issue of citizenship.

Should we be angry and resentful that other citizens have the privilege of dual citizenship while we do not, rather than focusing unjust and dogmatic system that doesn't allow for such.

Look at how you can improve the lot of your family, instead of making life tougher for your neighbour so that you can all suffer the same.

When s**t hits the fan in your country wouldn't you be grateful to have a second option, simply for the reason that you are not the politician or government who created the chaos currently in place.

Haven't many of us migrated to different countries - many whites to England, Australia; many blacks to England, more blacks still to South Africa - because the country has proven hostile to its own citizens.

Have you the actual facts that may have prompted Raza to actually leave his country and make Zimbabwe his home? Why be hostile on a minority people who chose to make us their home when other countries elsewhere have embraced millions of us all at once.

This is not a moral question, or patriotism even. It is simply common sense. And for many the human race (who in this case may not include Raza) its survival mode kicking in
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