Zimbabwe vs Afghanistan 2nd odi 06/06/2022

How do we bounce back? Essentially the same management and policies for the last 20 years and less player options.

We will hear these same platitudes at some point from ZC-

We will bounce back

We're rebuilding

Give us time

Have faith

They don't give a f**k at the moment but will be a bit more vocal when the elections swing round, they'll pretend they care. Once that's taken care of there will be the usual arrogant silence.

It's a private family run business that are not accountable to anybody.

tej_27 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 06, 2022 6:23 pm

Sorry to read this bro ..what's the reaction from the crowd in general ? How are they taking this defeat after defeat

Today it was brutal. The people I was chatting with and sat nearby were furious, including an old fella who said he used to play with Makoni 20 years ago and used to support the ZC board....but has totally turned over the last few months.

Kudet's video above was filmed Saturday. The atmosphere around me today felt much worse than that.

If this team doesn't get a win soon things will get ugly. A 6-0 defeat and it will be carnage. I sense there's people on manoeuvres already....

Reading this thread today and seeing the difficulty finding a stream in Zim ffs. What a joke of an organisation.

The match is being broadcast to extremely high quality standards, and yet people in our own country aren't allowed to watch it 😂 India? Sure. Afghanistan? Sure. Bangladesh? Sure. Europe? Sure.

Zimbabwe? Nope 😂

Why say it's going to be on ZBC when it obviously isn't. Are we that bad that even SuperSport aren't interested in paying a few dollars for the broadcast rights?

I feel I've just been posting negative stuff all the time but I can't see any positives.

The last time I went to HSC, it was just magical.

It was that victory over Australia in 2014 and I was at the Centurion bar with my two cousins and my Mrs. Singing songs, drinking Zambezi in the sun, just bathing in the beauty of Zimbabwe. I loved every second of it but it's because we had players to get behind.

Utseya was on the presipis of being a great ODI spinner, Taylor was in the runs, Williams was scoring runs etc. It just had an amazing feel to it and i know, it was still ZC and they had just as manhy problems back then, but it was special.

It brings a tear to my eye thinking of how low even the forum has fallen. We've lost so so so many valuable posters here because the side is flat. Flat! There's no umph anymore and the players visually look like they're exhausted.

I'm sick of seeing clear tactical and selection blunders, game by game, series by series, year by year! What has Tiripano done to deserve to be in this side above Jongwe or Evans. In fact don't even get me started on Evans. I said in 2018 that he was going to be special and yet, here he is, a fast bowling all rounder and he can't get a sniff. Yet Chivanga who averages 48 in LA cricket and can't bat or field gets in.

Kai wasn't even in this f***ing squad, but he's opening. Granted, he's scored a half century today and I'm delighted for him. A lot of my friends know him and have said he's a lovely bloke, but wtf is the board doing?! Munyonga needs to be in, Myers needs to be in if he's still got it, Marumani needs to be somewhere at the top to knock the bowlers of their lines and Jongwe or Evans MUST be selected over DT. I've met him, he's an ace man and a proud Zimbabwean, but c'mon man! What is he bringing to an international LO side? Breathe some fire into the side. Look to some of the under 19's who nailed it in the WC, get Bawa around the squad and show he's valued like they did with Wez and Shumba.

If I was given an opportunity I could run ZC and make honest, tough selections which would benefit the team but p**s off some heads.

Invest in Nick Welch, Ben Curran, Immaunuel Bawa and Schardendorf to come and play in the FC system and then integrate them. We need depth and we need it now. This series is demoralising on so many levels. There's zero atmosphere on the ground, on the forum and within the players.

Those on the forum who have been here since our test return in 2011 will remember the hype and the excitement that we built up. The squad had been fired up, the sponsorship was there, the board seemed to be pulling in one direction with Streak and Flower and Campbell behind the scenes, doing some good! And now..? We're in free fall. It's heart wrenching because even in the darker days, we seemed to put up small fights against Bangladesh and the smaller nations. Now we're getting dry bummed.

It is ugly in a way that does seem different to previous circumstances. I think with Taylor, Hami, Williams, Cremer and Jarvis we knew they were good enough to grab wins here and there and beat the little guys. Now we are struggling to find batsmen capable of building any sort of innings against associates.

secretzimbo wrote: ↑Mon Jun 06, 2022 8:59 pm

tej_27 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 06, 2022 6:23 pm

Sorry to read this bro ..what's the reaction from the crowd in general ? How are they taking this defeat after defeat

Today it was brutal. The people I was chatting with and sat nearby were furious, including an old fella who said he used to play with Makoni 20 years ago and used to support the ZC board....but has totally turned over the last few months.

Kudet's video above was filmed Saturday. The atmosphere around me today felt much worse than that.

If this team doesn't get a win soon things will get ugly. A 6-0 defeat and it will be carnage. I sense there's people on manoeuvres already....

And I really wasn't joking about the 6-0 vs 4-2 thing either

We need to get smashed with our full strength side. Whilst even one guy is missing or a player has a sore finger there will be the excuse that we actually are very good and can compete.

Another issue is everyone thinking decent coaching fixes everything. Nobody is learning that lesson. We've have endless coaches. Sure they make a bit of a difference, especially if they have the players' respect and can help them with the mental aspect. But hoping a coach can turn Ngarava into a monster is wishful thinking. He's decent enuf and can crank it up and he's a leftie, has some good attributes for sure. But if he hasn't yet learnt a big in-ducker into the right hander in his own time, does he need someone to hold his hand and try and teach him. He's had since he was 15 to get it right. Some s**t you have to learn all by yourself and not go- oh woe is me I didn't get the right coaching.

Jemisi wrote: ↑Tue Jun 07, 2022 3:12 am

It is ugly in a way that does seem different to previous circumstances. I think with Taylor, Hami, Williams, Cremer and Jarvis we knew they were good enough to grab wins here and there and beat the little guys. Now we are struggling to find batsmen capable of building any sort of innings against associates.

Brendan was a world class player, the kind of player who can win you games from any stage. Even if he is not in form, you know what he was capable of. There is no player right now in that calibre. Not even close.

Taibu was a brilliant player, Willo and Cremer were good, Mazakadza, as much as some may dislike him, he was still a class player when he got going. I dare say there is no one even in the class of Mazakadza right now.

What's worse, forget Blignaut, Streak or Brandes, Zim don't even have an all rounder as good as Elton Chigumbura right now and that speaks a lot.

Do we remember this team beat Australia in 2014 in a game with Utseya hitting a six off Starc. Can't even dream of doing that now. Team is literally finished.

And he's blowing after 3 overs. Does he need a headmaster to make him fit? Either you want to be the best you can be or you don't. Or you have someone take your spot and have to realise you need to up your game or you won't even make the side, never mind do well in it.

Well they potentially have a decent all-rounder in Evans and Jongwe. Jongwe was the golden boy for years and never grabbed his opportunity and kicked on, he rested on his laurels and the train has left the station because he doesn't bowl quick anymore and he's let his batting slip. These guys don't know what hard work is.

Evans has a shot at being good, and they know it and they won't give him a chance. Do they need a decent all rounder or don't they? Are they holding out for a black guy?

ZC fiddling whilst Rome burns.